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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417
I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? It obviates the only remaining benefit given their hybrid systems seem to be a miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be bought instead for considerably less. On that subject I'm not entirely sure why successive mayors have never even considered trolley buses, at least in part like in Boston where its electric part of the way and a diesel engine takes over where the wires stop. Seems to me it would be a perfect solution for central london. -- Spud |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:35:21 +0100
wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:28:10 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be bought instead for considerably less. On that subject I'm not entirely sure why successive mayors have never even considered trolley buses, at least in part like in Boston where its electric part of the way and a diesel engine takes over where the wires stop. Seems to me it would be a perfect solution for central london. Central London in times past resisted overhead wiring on aesthetic grounds and there could well be objections to them now though at least it can be argued that modern overhead can be engineered with modern materials and looks a lot less intrusive than the big ceramic insulators and heavy Ohio Brass* components of the former trolley bus network. There will always be nimbys but when the positives far outweigh the negatives of the proposal they should just be told to sod off. If Oxford street for example had buses running on the wires a large part of its pollution issues would be sorted in one go. -- Spud |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
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() wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:28:10 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be bought instead for considerably less. On that subject I'm not entirely sure why successive mayors have never even considered trolley buses, at least in part like in Boston where its electricpart of the way and a diesel engine takes over where the wires stop. Seems to me it would be a perfect solution for central london. Central London in times past resisted overhead wiring on aesthetic grounds and there could well be objections to them now though at least it can be argued that modern overhead can be engineered with modern materials and looks a lot less intrusive than the big ceramic insulators and heavy Ohio Brass* components of the former trolley bus network. * Even the catalog of forty years ago looks old fashioned then. http://www.impulsenc.com/pdf/catalog...s_products.pdf I don't recognise anything in that catalogue as like the London trolleybus wiring of my youth. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100, Someone Somewhere
wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? It's interesting to compare this with the doo-doos on GTR. On the buses, 300 employees in a safety role are being made redundant by a Labour mayor to save money. I'm not aware of a squeak from the unions. On the trains, under pressure from the DfT, the private operator is changing the role of a few hundred guards, and the unions cause total disruption, despite the fact that no-one will be made redundant or suffer any degradation of their conditions. And there's no evidence that there will be any reduction in safety. |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On 2016\07\12 13:33, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:48:22 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Does anyone know how the trial of wireless charging on the route 69 is coming along? Short answer - no. Longer answer - after a wobbly start and poor vehicle availability the 3 buses are now in regular daily use. I've not seen definitive comment as to whether a charging pad has been installed at Canning Town. There is definitely one at Walthamstow and the buses charge up on it. Thanks Paul, looks like your short answer should have been "Yes!" |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:33:58 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:48:22 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Does anyone know how the trial of wireless charging on the route 69 is coming along? Short answer - no. Longer answer - after a wobbly start and poor vehicle availability the 3 buses are now in regular daily use. I've not seen definitive comment as to whether a charging pad has been installed at Canning Town. There is definitely one at Walthamstow and the buses charge up on it. There has been no commentary in any TfL reports in recent weeks about the trial. There is also a long gap until the next "Panel" meetings - presumably because a new TfL board is in the process of being appointed. TfL trials on buses seem to go on for years then nothing happens. I occasionally still see the hydrogen buses drifting around Southwark - how long has that "trial" been going on now? 5 years if not more? -- Spud |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:56:47 +0100
Recliner wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? It's interesting to compare this with the doo-doos on GTR. On the buses, 300 employees in a safety role are being made redundant by a Labour mayor to save money. I'm not aware of a squeak from the unions. On the trains, under pressure from the DfT, the private operator is changing the role of a few hundred guards, and the unions cause total disruption, despite the fact that no-one will be made redundant or suffer any degradation of their conditions. And there's no evidence that there will be any reduction in safety. You seem surprised. The unions are only interesting in maintaining political power, their members are a useful tool to be used when needed and forgotten about when not. Quite why this state of affairs is allowed to continue with the RMT is anyones guess. I should have been brought to heal and/or closed down as a corrupt organisation years ago. -- Spud |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Tuesday, 12 July 2016 09:28:12 UTC+1, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? It obviates the only remaining benefit given their hybrid systems seem to be a miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be bought instead for considerably less. I hope they disappear sooner than that. At least supposedly no more are being built, although I can't find a reference for that right now. Who'd buy one though? Plenty of ex-London buses have ended up elsewhere, often with the middle door removed. Where would want some over-long greenhouses with not just one unwanted door but two, and an unwanted staircase too! Everything about them is awful. I can't think of a single redeeming feature. |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 06:49:36 -0700 (PDT)
Mark wrote: I hope they disappear sooner than that. At least supposedly no more are being built, although I can't find a reference for that right now. I doubt Kahn will finance any more of them. Who'd buy one though? Plenty of ex-London buses have ended up elsewhere, often with the middle door removed. Where would want some over-long greenhouses with not just one unwanted door but two, and an unwanted staircase too! Everything about them is awful. I can't think of a single redeeming feature. They do look quite nice. But thats about it IMO. Hardly a reason for the 350K a pop price tag. -- Spud |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 July 2016 09:28:12 UTC+1, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? It obviates the only remaining benefit given their hybrid systems seem to be a miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be bought instead for considerably less. I hope they disappear sooner than that. At least supposedly no more are being built, although I can't find a reference for that right now. No more are to be ordered, but I think the last order, placed this January, is still being built. At least the last batch have cleaner Euro 6 engines. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...d-of-boris-bus |
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Monday, 11 July 2016 16:37:53 UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? This bus will now be free to most members of the public. Quite handy in cold weather if you have no money and no ticket. You can travel Pimlico to Hampstead and back again all day long for nothing. |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
Offramp wrote:
On Monday, 11 July 2016 16:37:53 UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? This bus will now be free to most members of the public. Quite handy in cold weather if you have no money and no ticket. You can travel Pimlico to Hampstead and back again all day long for nothing. The conductors didn't check tickets anyway. Peter Smyth |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
Peter Smyth wrote:
Offramp wrote: On Monday, 11 July 2016 16:37:53 UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? This bus will now be free to most members of the public. Quite handy in cold weather if you have no money and no ticket. You can travel Pimlico to Hampstead and back again all day long for nothing. The conductors didn't check tickets anyway. They weren't even called conductors. But their presence did mean that most people boarding at the rear platform did touch in. But no-one checks that people boarding through the middle door touch in, so I'd have thought fare evasion was already much greater on these buses than normal two-door buses. |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
I often hear then reminding people to touch in, whatever door they use.
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:45:34 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: They weren't even called conductors. But their presence did mean that most people boarding at the rear platform did touch in. But no-one checks that people boarding through the middle door touch in, so I'd have thought fare evasion was already much greater on these buses than normal two-door buses. Which is ironic given one of Boris' reasons for ditching the bendy buses was the fare evasion aspect. -- Spud |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:16:53 +0200
Robin9 wrote: 'Recliner[_3_ Wrote: ;156739']On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote: - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle?- It's interesting to compare this with the doo-doos on GTR. On the buses, 300 employees in a safety role are being made redundant by a Labour mayor to save money. It's been a long time since any Labour politician was concerned to preserve proper, decently paying jobs for working people with minimal formal education. They are concerned - so long as those people are foreign. Same with the other parties. Endless talk about how wonderful immigrants are for the country without addressing the question of why so many are filling jobs that up until only 10 or 15 years ago would have been mostly filled by brits. Reason? The drop in wages in real terms and zero hours contracts with the minimum wage being a sticking plaster sop to stop then dropping through the floor. If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer afford to have a job in construction (for example) while Pavel and his mates living 5 to a house can. A major reason people like me loathe and despise the modern Labour Party. And why Ukip stole so many labour votes. Neither wing of the labour party gets it though. Corbyn and the left are still fighting the battles of the 1970s and 80s and the moderates are still stuck in the Blairite late 90s. Neither side says anything of interest or relevance to the proverbial man in the street. -- Spud |
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:36:19 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:46:53 on Wed, 13 Jul 2016, d remarked: If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer afford to have a job in construction (for example) I thought plumbers were paid quite well. I was talking more building sites. High paid blue collar jobs are probably safe for now. Round here, the work the locals have 'lost' is crop-picking. Go into any shop and see how many english accents you hear behind the counter. I visited dorset a couple of weeks back and was amazed to actually hear english people working in Costa. Either the immigrants haven't made it down there yet or the local rents & house proces are low enough to make it possible. -- Spud |
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:12:47 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:56:06 on Wed, 13 Jul 2016, d remarked: If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer afford to have a job in construction (for example) I thought plumbers were paid quite well. I was talking more building sites. New buildings need plumbing too. You know what I mean. Digger operators, brickies, concrete layers etc. Waitrose, Tesco and Sainsburys have entirely white English staff as far as I can tell. Although the most usual language you'll hear from customers, in Tesco at least, is Polish. Probably depends on the locale. Pubs and coffee shops seem to be split between those who employ almost entirely eastern Europeans, and those who employ almost entirely English. It's striking enough that it has to be some sort of policy, rather than just random. Could be, though it would have to be unofficial for obvious reasons. -- Spud |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 08:46:53 on Wed, 13 Jul 2016, d remarked: If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer afford to have a job in construction (for example) I thought plumbers were paid quite well. Round here, the work the locals have 'lost' is crop-picking. To the extent that they still did the work. AFAICS most stopped long before 2004. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 10:56:06 on Wed, 13 Jul 2016, d remarked: If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer afford to have a job in construction (for example) I thought plumbers were paid quite well. I was talking more building sites. New buildings need plumbing too. High paid blue collar jobs are probably safe for now. Round here, the work the locals have 'lost' is crop-picking. Go into any shop and see how many english accents you hear behind the counter. Waitrose, Tesco and Sainsburys have entirely white English staff as far as I can tell. Although the most usual language you'll hear from customers, in Tesco at least, is Polish. I visited dorset a couple of weeks back and was amazed to actually hear english people working in Costa. Either the immigrants haven't made it down there yet or the local rents & house proces are low enough to make it possible. Pubs and coffee shops seem to be split between those who employ almost entirely eastern Europeans, and those who employ almost entirely English. It's striking enough that it has to be some sort of policy, rather than just random. In Ely maybe. Tesco Cambridge is more diverse, in staff, customers and goods, than Bar Hill. I was told in Bar Hill when asking for some Polish cooked meats there that "they don't do that demographic". -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:05:15 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In Ely the Tesco only has canned/bottled/packaged-dry-goods in the Polish aisle. You would probably have to go to one of the specialist corner shops for fresh produce from Poland. And Aldi has a lot of German-influenced (but still plastic packaged) produce. The german stores, particularly Lidl remind me of UK supermarkets in the 1970s. Slightly shabby and with vacuum packed produce that looks about as natural as an essex blonde. -- Spud |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On 2016-07-13 17:05:15 +0000, Roland Perry said:
In Ely the Tesco only has canned/bottled/packaged-dry-goods in the Polish aisle. You would probably have to go to one of the specialist corner shops for fresh produce from Poland. And Aldi has a lot of German-influenced (but still plastic packaged) produce. If you want actual German stuff, Lidl is a better bet - Aldi have Anglicised their range far more than they have. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:30:10 +0100
Neil Williams wrote: On 2016-07-14 08:26:59 +0000, d said: The german stores, particularly Lidl remind me of UK supermarkets in the 1970s. Slightly shabby and with vacuum packed produce that looks about as natural as an essex blonde. And small enough that you can get round in 20 minutes. Though FWIW I've given up supermarket shopping - delivery is a wonderful thing. Which is kind-of going full circle back to the time before there even *were* supermarkets. The few times we tried it it actually took longer to shop online than actually do it in the shop. Though we're lucky and live within walking distance of a supermarket. I imagine for people in villages and small towns its a godsend. The only problem is you have to rely on someone at the depot to pick you fruit and veg that isn't unripe/overipe/damaged which apparently isn't always the case according to some friends. -- Spud |
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 11:33:00 on Wed, 13 Jul 2016, remarked: Waitrose, Tesco and Sainsburys have entirely white English staff as far as I can tell. Although the most usual language you'll hear from customers, in Tesco at least, is Polish. In Ely maybe. Tesco Cambridge is more diverse, in staff, customers and goods, than Bar Hill. I don't doubt it. Cambridge is an ever expanding bubble quite divorced from the real world. I was told in Bar Hill when asking for some Polish cooked meats there that "they don't do that demographic". In Ely the Tesco only has canned/bottled/packaged-dry-goods in the Polish aisle. You would probably have to go to one of the specialist corner shops for fresh produce from Poland. And Aldi has a lot of German-influenced (but still plastic packaged) produce. I'm not sure which category you think cooked meat (including sausages) comes in. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
In message , at 09:29:11 on Thu, 14
Jul 2016, Neil Williams remarked: In Ely the Tesco only has canned/bottled/packaged-dry-goods in the Polish aisle. You would probably have to go to one of the specialist corner shops for fresh produce from Poland. And Aldi has a lot of German-influenced (but still plastic packaged) produce. If you want actual German stuff, Lidl is a better bet - Aldi have Anglicised their range far more than they have. I agree. But my nearest one is over 20 miles away, and Aldi is half a mile. -- Roland Perry |
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
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Conductors axed from NB4L/New Routemaster/Boris Bus
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:28:10 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417 I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle? It obviates the only remaining benefit given their hybrid systems seem to be a miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be bought instead for considerably less. On that subject I'm not entirely sure why successive mayors have never even considered trolley buses, at least in part like in Boston where its electric part of the way and a diesel engine takes over where the wires stop. Seems to me it would be a perfect solution for central london. I have been to Boston but not recently. Is it still, like most places in the USA,, cluttered with overhead wiring? Guy Gorton |
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