On 2016\07\29 13:50, Schnuzelbug (Chris Date) wrote:
Photos and video in link.

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Crossrail Elizabeth Line trainset unveiled
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...-unveiled.html

"UK: The first of 66 electric multiple-units for the Crossrail project was unveiled by Transport for London at Bombardier’s Derby factory on July 29.

Following dynamic testing at the Derby plant, the first train is to undergo trials at the Old Dalby test centre during August. This will include carrying more than 100 tonnes of weight to simulate passengers. A car is also to be sent to a climatic chamber. Once trials are completed, the test equipment will be removed from the first trains and the interiors will be fitted out with seats before delivery for passenger service.

The Class 345 EMUs are part of Bombardier’s Aventra family, and according to TfL production in Derby is helping to support 760 jobs and 80 apprenticeships. Barber & Osgerby is acting as design adviser.

The EMUs feature wide gangways, air-conditioning, CCTV and real-time travel information, and are equipped for regenerative braking which is expected to result in energy savings of up to 30%.

The Class 345 is scheduled to enter service on TfL Rail services between London Liverpool Street and Shenfield in May 2017. The first trainsets will initially comprise seven cars and be 160 m long to fit the existing platforms at Liverpool Street. Nine-car sets 200 m long with a capacity of 1 500 passengers are expected to be introduced from May 2018, initially running between Heathrow Airport and Paddington.

The full route linking Reading and Heathrow in the west and Shenfield and Abbey Wood in the east via new tunnels under central London is scheduled to open in 2019, and will be called the Elizabeth Line.

‘The Elizabeth Line trains, which are a great showcase of British design and manufacture, will be running on part of our network within a year’, said London Transport Commissioner Mike Brown at the unveiling event. ‘The trains are fully accessible, will have air-cooling, and once the whole line opens, they will help our passengers move more easily into and across the city every day.’"


Thanks. They seem to have put the full Elizabeth Line map over the door
at 1:12 ... surely they will need a Liverpool Street - Shenfield only
map initially!

Basil Jet wrote on 29 Jul 2016 at 14:53 ...
On 2016\07\29 13:50, Schnuzelbug (Chris Date) wrote:
Photos and video in link.

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Crossrail Elizabeth Line trainset unveiled
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...-unveiled.html

"UK: The first of 66 electric multiple-units for the Crossrail project was unveiled by Transport for London at Bombardier’s Derby factory on July 29.

Following dynamic testing at the Derby plant, the first train is to undergo trials at the Old Dalby test centre during August. This will include carrying more than 100 tonnes of weight to simulate passengers. A car is also to be sent to a climatic chamber. Once trials are completed, the test equipment will be removed from the first trains and the interiors will be fitted out with seats before delivery for passenger service.

The Class 345 EMUs are part of Bombardier’s Aventra family, and according to TfL production in Derby is helping to support 760 jobs and 80 apprenticeships. Barber & Osgerby is acting as design adviser.

The EMUs feature wide gangways, air-conditioning, CCTV and real-time travel information, and are equipped for regenerative braking which is expected to result in energy savings of up to 30%.

The Class 345 is scheduled to enter service on TfL Rail services between London Liverpool Street and Shenfield in May 2017. The first trainsets will initially comprise seven cars and be 160 m long to fit the existing platforms at Liverpool Street. Nine-car sets 200 m long with a capacity of 1 500 passengers are expected to be introduced from May 2018, initially running between Heathrow Airport and Paddington.

The full route linking Reading and Heathrow in the west and Shenfield and Abbey Wood in the east via new tunnels under central London is scheduled to open in 2019, and will be called the Elizabeth Line.

‘The Elizabeth Line trains, which are a great showcase of British design and manufacture, will be running on part of our network within a year’, said London Transport Commissioner Mike Brown at the unveiling event. ‘The trains are fully accessible, will have air-cooling, and once the whole line opens, they will help our passengers move more easily into and across the city every day.’"


So is it air-conditioning or air-cooling? (Both terms used in the last 4
paragraphs.) After the fiasco of "air cooling" on the New Routemaster,
TfL should be more careful in describing it. Hopefully proper air-con
as on LU's S stock.

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 15:27:21 +0100
"Richard J." wrote:
Basil Jet wrote on 29 Jul 2016 at 14:53 ...
‘The Elizabeth Line trains, which are a great showcase of British design
and manufacture, will be running on part of our network within a year’, said
London Transport Commissioner Mike Brown at the unveiling event. ‘The trains
are fully accessible, will have air-cooling, and once the whole line opens,
they will help our passengers move more easily into and across the city every
day.’"


So is it air-conditioning or air-cooling? (Both terms used in the last 4
paragraphs.) After the fiasco of "air cooling" on the New Routemaster,
TfL should be more careful in describing it. Hopefully proper air-con
as on LU's S stock.

The seats look about as well padded and comfortable as a slab of granite as
seems to be the norm these days.

Why did they need a completely new type of train anyway on both crossrail and
thameslink. What would have been the problem with ordering another load of
electrostars? Surely it would have saved 10s of millions in design costs.

--
Spud

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\07\29 13:50, Schnuzelbug (Chris Date) wrote:
Photos and video in link.

---

Crossrail Elizabeth Line trainset unveiled
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...-unveiled.html

"UK: The first of 66 electric multiple-units for the Crossrail project
was unveiled by Transport for London at Bombardier’s Derby factory on July 29.

Following dynamic testing at the Derby plant, the first train is to
undergo trials at the Old Dalby test centre during August. This will
include carrying more than 100 tonnes of weight to simulate passengers.
A car is also to be sent to a climatic chamber. Once trials are
completed, the test equipment will be removed from the first trains and
the interiors will be fitted out with seats before delivery for passenger service.

The Class 345 EMUs are part of Bombardier’s Aventra family, and
according to TfL production in Derby is helping to support 760 jobs and 80
apprenticeships. Barber & Osgerby is acting as design adviser.

The EMUs feature wide gangways, air-conditioning, CCTV and real-time
travel information, and are equipped for regenerative braking which is
expected to result in energy savings of up to 30%.

The Class 345 is scheduled to enter service on TfL Rail services between
London Liverpool Street and Shenfield in May 2017. The first trainsets
will initially comprise seven cars and be 160 m long to fit the existing
platforms at Liverpool Street. Nine-car sets 200 m long with a capacity
of 1 500 passengers are expected to be introduced from May 2018,
initially running between Heathrow Airport and Paddington.

The full route linking Reading and Heathrow in the west and Shenfield
and Abbey Wood in the east via new tunnels under central London is
scheduled to open in 2019, and will be called the Elizabeth Line.

‘The Elizabeth Line trains, which are a great showcase of British design
and manufacture, will be running on part of our network within a year’,
said London Transport Commissioner Mike Brown at the unveiling event.
‘The trains are fully accessible, will have air-cooling, and once the
whole line opens, they will help our passengers move more easily into
and across the city every day.’"


Thanks. They seem to have put the full Elizabeth Line map over the door
at 1:12 ... surely they will need a Liverpool Street - Shenfield only
map initially!


I don't suppose the maps are applied in the factory with the production
trains. They'll be stuck in and updated as needed by the operator.

But will the initial trains even be labelled as 'Elizabeth Line'? I
thought the new name would only be used once the trains can use the tunnel.

Richard J. wrote:
Basil Jet wrote on 29 Jul 2016 at 14:53 ...
On 2016\07\29 13:50, Schnuzelbug (Chris Date) wrote:
Photos and video in link.

---

Crossrail Elizabeth Line trainset unveiled
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...-unveiled.html

"UK: The first of 66 electric multiple-units for the Crossrail project
was unveiled by Transport for London at Bombardier’s Derby factory on July 29.

Following dynamic testing at the Derby plant, the first train is to
undergo trials at the Old Dalby test centre during August. This will
include carrying more than 100 tonnes of weight to simulate passengers.
A car is also to be sent to a climatic chamber. Once trials are
completed, the test equipment will be removed from the first trains and
the interiors will be fitted out with seats before delivery for passenger service.

The Class 345 EMUs are part of Bombardier’s Aventra family, and
according to TfL production in Derby is helping to support 760 jobs and 80
apprenticeships. Barber & Osgerby is acting as design adviser.

The EMUs feature wide gangways, air-conditioning, CCTV and real-time
travel information, and are equipped for regenerative braking which is
expected to result in energy savings of up to 30%.

The Class 345 is scheduled to enter service on TfL Rail services
between London Liverpool Street and Shenfield in May 2017. The first
trainsets will initially comprise seven cars and be 160 m long to fit
the existing platforms at Liverpool Street. Nine-car sets 200 m long
with a capacity of 1 500 passengers are expected to be introduced from
May 2018, initially running between Heathrow Airport and Paddington.

The full route linking Reading and Heathrow in the west and Shenfield
and Abbey Wood in the east via new tunnels under central London is
scheduled to open in 2019, and will be called the Elizabeth Line.

‘The Elizabeth Line trains, which are a great showcase of British
design and manufacture, will be running on part of our network within a
year’, said London Transport Commissioner Mike Brown at the unveiling
event. ‘The trains are fully accessible, will have air-cooling, and
once the whole line opens, they will help our passengers move more
easily into and across the city every day.’"


So is it air-conditioning or air-cooling? (Both terms used in the last 4
paragraphs.) After the fiasco of "air cooling" on the New Routemaster,
TfL should be more careful in describing it. Hopefully proper air-con
as on LU's S stock.

I'd hope so too. These are just next-gen Electrostars, so the aircon should
be similar.

wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 15:27:21 +0100
"Richard J." wrote:
Basil Jet wrote on 29 Jul 2016 at 14:53 ...
‘The Elizabeth Line trains, which are a great showcase of British design
and manufacture, will be running on part of our network within a year’, said
London Transport Commissioner Mike Brown at the unveiling event. ‘The trains
are fully accessible, will have air-cooling, and once the whole line opens,
they will help our passengers move more easily into and across the city every
day.’"


So is it air-conditioning or air-cooling? (Both terms used in the last 4
paragraphs.) After the fiasco of "air cooling" on the New Routemaster,
TfL should be more careful in describing it. Hopefully proper air-con
as on LU's S stock.

The seats look about as well padded and comfortable as a slab of granite as
seems to be the norm these days.

Why did they need a completely new type of train anyway on both crossrail and
thameslink. What would have been the problem with ordering another load of
electrostars? Surely it would have saved 10s of millions in design costs.

Aventras *are* the generation of Electrostars, with updated technology,
lower weight and compliant with the latest safety standards.

The DfT ordered the TL class 700s, and did it in such an inept way that
Siemens won, not because it was offering a better or cheaper train, but
because the company had a better credit rating. Had the trains been
ordered through a ROSCO they'd certainly be cheaper, and would probably
have included features that the civil servants forgot, such as tray tables
and wifi.

On 29.07.16 18:12, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\07\29 13:50, Schnuzelbug (Chris Date) wrote:
Photos and video in link.

---

Crossrail Elizabeth Line trainset unveiled
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...-unveiled.html

"UK: The first of 66 electric multiple-units for the Crossrail project
was unveiled by Transport for London at Bombardier’s Derby factory on July 29.

Following dynamic testing at the Derby plant, the first train is to
undergo trials at the Old Dalby test centre during August. This will
include carrying more than 100 tonnes of weight to simulate passengers.
A car is also to be sent to a climatic chamber. Once trials are
completed, the test equipment will be removed from the first trains and
the interiors will be fitted out with seats before delivery for passenger service.

The Class 345 EMUs are part of Bombardier’s Aventra family, and
according to TfL production in Derby is helping to support 760 jobs and 80
apprenticeships. Barber & Osgerby is acting as design adviser.

The EMUs feature wide gangways, air-conditioning, CCTV and real-time
travel information, and are equipped for regenerative braking which is
expected to result in energy savings of up to 30%.

The Class 345 is scheduled to enter service on TfL Rail services between
London Liverpool Street and Shenfield in May 2017. The first trainsets
will initially comprise seven cars and be 160 m long to fit the existing
platforms at Liverpool Street. Nine-car sets 200 m long with a capacity
of 1 500 passengers are expected to be introduced from May 2018,
initially running between Heathrow Airport and Paddington.

The full route linking Reading and Heathrow in the west and Shenfield
and Abbey Wood in the east via new tunnels under central London is
scheduled to open in 2019, and will be called the Elizabeth Line.

‘The Elizabeth Line trains, which are a great showcase of British design
and manufacture, will be running on part of our network within a year’,
said London Transport Commissioner Mike Brown at the unveiling event.
‘The trains are fully accessible, will have air-cooling, and once the
whole line opens, they will help our passengers move more easily into
and across the city every day.’"


Thanks. They seem to have put the full Elizabeth Line map over the door
at 1:12 ... surely they will need a Liverpool Street - Shenfield only
map initially!


I don't suppose the maps are applied in the factory with the production
trains. They'll be stuck in and updated as needed by the operator.

But will the initial trains even be labelled as 'Elizabeth Line'? I
thought the new name would only be used once the trains can use the tunnel.

I was wondering same. Essentially, this will be LO service between
Liverpool Street and Shenfield with a cool new train.

On 29.07.16 15:27, Richard J. wrote:
Basil Jet wrote on 29 Jul 2016 at 14:53 ...
On 2016\07\29 13:50, Schnuzelbug (Chris Date) wrote:
Photos and video in link.

---

Crossrail Elizabeth Line trainset unveiled
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...-unveiled.html


"UK: The first of 66 electric multiple-units for the Crossrail
project was unveiled by Transport for London at Bombardier’s Derby
factory on July 29.

Following dynamic testing at the Derby plant, the first train is to
undergo trials at the Old Dalby test centre during August. This will
include carrying more than 100 tonnes of weight to simulate
passengers. A car is also to be sent to a climatic chamber. Once
trials are completed, the test equipment will be removed from the
first trains and the interiors will be fitted out with seats before
delivery for passenger service.

The Class 345 EMUs are part of Bombardier’s Aventra family, and
according to TfL production in Derby is helping to support 760 jobs
and 80 apprenticeships. Barber & Osgerby is acting as design adviser.

The EMUs feature wide gangways, air-conditioning, CCTV and real-time
travel information, and are equipped for regenerative braking which
is expected to result in energy savings of up to 30%.

The Class 345 is scheduled to enter service on TfL Rail services
between London Liverpool Street and Shenfield in May 2017. The first
trainsets will initially comprise seven cars and be 160 m long to fit
the existing platforms at Liverpool Street. Nine-car sets 200 m long
with a capacity of 1 500 passengers are expected to be introduced
from May 2018, initially running between Heathrow Airport and
Paddington.

The full route linking Reading and Heathrow in the west and Shenfield
and Abbey Wood in the east via new tunnels under central London is
scheduled to open in 2019, and will be called the Elizabeth Line.

‘The Elizabeth Line trains, which are a great showcase of British
design and manufacture, will be running on part of our network within
a year’, said London Transport Commissioner Mike Brown at the
unveiling event. ‘The trains are fully accessible, will have
air-cooling, and once the whole line opens, they will help our
passengers move more easily into and across the city every day.’"


So is it air-conditioning or air-cooling? (Both terms used in the last 4
paragraphs.) After the fiasco of "air cooling" on the New Routemaster,
TfL should be more careful in describing it. Hopefully proper air-con
as on LU's S stock.


Are they ever going to figure out air conditioning for Tube trains?

In message , at 13:50:29 on Sat, 30 Jul
2016, " remarked:

Are they ever going to figure out air conditioning for Tube trains?

Pump the heat out of the trains into the tunnels and stations. What
could possibly go wrong?
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry writes:

In message , at 13:50:29 on Sat, 30 Jul
2016, " remarked:

Are they ever going to figure out air conditioning for Tube trains?

Pump the heat out of the trains into the tunnels and stations. What
could possibly go wrong?

And equip alternate stations with powerful air conditioners and
extractor fans, creating a cooling airflow along the tunnels.