In message
-sept
ember.org, at 22:03:56 on Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Recliner
remarked:

And I still fail to understand how it will work with a graphical app.

Perhaps you should try it? Got any rich friends with an iPhone you could
borrow for a couple of hours??

It would probably work on one of my iPads. And maybe there's an Android
equivalent or two; there usually are. But as it's of no relevance to me, I
don't think I'll bother.

If you are happy to fail to understand, then don't bleat about it here.

Looks really easy for a blind person, doesn't it:

https://help.uber.com/h/902465fa-f22...4-59940446e792

Yes it does.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:05:03 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-sept
ember.org, at 22:03:56 on Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Recliner
remarked:

And I still fail to understand how it will work with a graphical app.

Perhaps you should try it? Got any rich friends with an iPhone you could
borrow for a couple of hours??

It would probably work on one of my iPads. And maybe there's an Android
equivalent or two; there usually are. But as it's of no relevance to me, I
don't think I'll bother.

If you are happy to fail to understand, then don't bleat about it here.

Looks really easy for a blind person, doesn't it:

https://help.uber.com/h/902465fa-f22...4-59940446e792

Yes it does.

Compared to what, them trying to run through a maze without hitting a wall?

I realise that a number of people here think newer technology solves every
problem better than the previous iteration, but the occasional reality check
might be in order now and then just so you don't come across as a complete berk.

My mother had poor eyesight and even had trouble operating a calculator that
spoke the numbers when you pressed the buttons and spoke the result. The
chances of her operating an app like that with speech would have been zero.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:05:03 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-sept
ember.org, at 22:03:56 on Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Recliner
remarked:

And I still fail to understand how it will work with a graphical app.

Perhaps you should try it? Got any rich friends with an iPhone you could
borrow for a couple of hours??

It would probably work on one of my iPads. And maybe there's an Android
equivalent or two; there usually are. But as it's of no relevance to me, I
don't think I'll bother.

If you are happy to fail to understand, then don't bleat about it here.

Looks really easy for a blind person, doesn't it:

https://help.uber.com/h/902465fa-f22...4-59940446e792

Yes it does.

Compared to what, them trying to run through a maze without hitting a wall?

I realise that a number of people here think newer technology solves every
problem better than the previous iteration, but the occasional reality check
might be in order now and then just so you don't come across as a complete berk.

My mother had poor eyesight and even had trouble operating a calculator that
spoke the numbers when you pressed the buttons and spoke the result. The
chances of her operating an app like that with speech would have been zero.

Yes, rather than navigate that app, I'd have thought a blind or
partiality-sighted person would far rather phone a trusted minicab company
on speed dial, using a conventional phone with tactile buttons.

In message , at 08:31:17 on Fri, 26 Aug
2016, d remarked:

Looks really easy for a blind person, doesn't it:

https://help.uber.com/h/902465fa-f22...4-59940446e792

Yes it does.

Compared to what, them trying to run through a maze without hitting a wall?

I realise that a number of people here think newer technology solves every
problem better than the previous iteration, but the occasional reality check
might be in order now and then just so you don't come across as a complete berk.

I'm constantly amazed by the ability of blind persons to navigate
(literally and metaphorically) the modern world, and after all they'll
have had years of practice.

Have you ever met David Blunkett and seen how well he copes despite
being blind?
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:17:12 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:31:17 on Fri, 26 Aug
2016, d remarked:

Looks really easy for a blind person, doesn't it:

https://help.uber.com/h/902465fa-f22...4-59940446e792

Yes it does.

Compared to what, them trying to run through a maze without hitting a wall?

I realise that a number of people here think newer technology solves every
problem better than the previous iteration, but the occasional reality check
might be in order now and then just so you don't come across as a complete
berk.

I'm constantly amazed by the ability of blind persons to navigate
(literally and metaphorically) the modern world, and after all they'll
have had years of practice.

There's a big difference between navigating a physical world with touch
feedback and trying to use a flat screen with none other than a voice that
may or may not help.

--
Spud

In message , at 10:02:19 on Fri, 26 Aug
2016, d remarked:
I'm constantly amazed by the ability of blind persons to navigate
(literally and metaphorically) the modern world, and after all they'll
have had years of practice.

There's a big difference between navigating a physical world with touch
feedback and trying to use a flat screen with none other than a voice that
may or may not help.

Clearly, in this case the accessibility software does work.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 02:24:00PM -0000, Recliner wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 02:48:12PM -0000, Recliner wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
There are four, right now, within 500 yards of my flat.
I suspect you're near the sort of traffic magnet that attracts Uber
drivers. They don't otherwise hang around residential areas.
I'd love to know what traffic magnet there is near CR7 8JH during the
middle of a working day.
Thornton Heath station, a Tesco superstore, a shopping parade with
restaurants, etc.

Or as Londoners call it, "nothing unusual".

The app doesn't show Uber's drivers congregating there in any case, it
mostly shows them scattered on little residential streets where,
presumably, they have just dropped people off.

--
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

You can't judge a book by its cover, unless you're a religious nutcase

I've known quite a few blind people. They're not all
the same and they vary hugely in their ability to cope
on their own without help.

Just to give one example: a woman who still had some
sight insisted she could not place her front door key in
the lock, and demanded someone else do it for her.
Another woman who was totally blind became annoyed
when I told her this story and said the other woman was
a disgrace.

A blind friend of mine startled, indeed astonished, me by
saying that she didn't mind being blind but felt sorry for
people who were deaf which she regarded as a far worse
disability.

A lot of Uber drivers work for them only part time. For
rest of the time they work as minicab drivers with a local
firm. So they have two pieces of communication equipment
in the car. In practice what happens is that they log on with
their local firm, and as and when it becomes "quiet" they turn
on the Uber app. At this point Uber customers can see them
on their screens.

My guess is that most of the drivers showing on the Uber app
in the suburbs are working for two firms.

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:08:37 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:02:19 on Fri, 26 Aug
2016, d remarked:
I'm constantly amazed by the ability of blind persons to navigate
(literally and metaphorically) the modern world, and after all they'll
have had years of practice.

There's a big difference between navigating a physical world with touch
feedback and trying to use a flat screen with none other than a voice that
may or may not help.

Clearly, in this case the accessibility software does work.

Unless there is some documentated verification by someone who is blind that
this is the case I'll take it with a pinch.

You can have the smartest software in the world in the phone, but it can't
change the physical hardware which is a touch screen with no tactile
feedback.

--
Spud