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On 2016-09-29 08:43:50 +0000, tim... said:

Why would I (anyone) walk into an airport lounge looking for something
that they didn't know existed?

As someone who had checked in online with only carry on, I would look
for the signs to "departures" and follow them. Why would I notice
anything else?

You don't generally look around you at things, and just plough on head
down to what you planned? Must be quite boring.

Neil
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 09:43:50 on Thu, 29 Sep 2016,
tim... remarked:

What, so the clearly branded ticket machines dotted around the
terminal,

nope, didn't see them. And if you haven't pre-advertised that they are
there, why would I?

Just normal observational skills.

Why would I (anyone) walk into an airport lounge looking for something
that they didn't know existed?

As someone who had checked in online with only carry on, I would look for
the signs to "departures" and follow them. Why would I notice anything
else?

You might see signage indicating that departures had a fast track lane.

I have already addressed that point

I did *see* the fast track line.

What I didn't see was any indication that it was accessed via payment rather
than class of ticket (or FF status), as it is at every other UK Airport I
have flown from.

As an aside, I also noted the fast track on my return from WAW and did note
that it was available (amongst others) to families with small children - to
which I ask "Why"? Surely standing around for 30 minuets with your child in
the buggy makes no difference if it is "in line" for security or in the
lounge?

But perhaps you don't see(sic) why those skills are perhaps something
you lack.

I don't see the need to walk around random places with the observation of
a police detective, on the off chance that I should witness a crime
perhaps, and I am amazed that you do. What's the point?

There isn't an inherent "point", it just happens naturally.

Of course there is (if you think it is learnt)

most people don't do it

tim

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On 2016-09-29 08:43:50 +0000, tim... said:

Why would I (anyone) walk into an airport lounge looking for something
that they didn't know existed?

As someone who had checked in online with only carry on, I would look for
the signs to "departures" and follow them. Why would I notice anything
else?

You don't generally look around you at things, and just plough on head
down to what you planned?

not in an airport/railways station

Must be quite boring.

That is a classification I will not disagree with

tim

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In message , at 11:49:24 on Thu, 29 Sep 2016,
tim... remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 09:43:50 on Thu, 29 Sep
2016, tim... remarked:

What, so the clearly branded ticket machines dotted around the
terminal,

nope, didn't see them. And if you haven't pre-advertised that they
are there, why would I?

Just normal observational skills.

Why would I (anyone) walk into an airport lounge looking for
something that they didn't know existed?

As someone who had checked in online with only carry on, I would look
for the signs to "departures" and follow them. Why would I notice
anything else?

You might see signage indicating that departures had a fast track lane.

I have already addressed that point

I did *see* the fast track line.

What I didn't see was any indication that it was accessed via payment
rather than class of ticket (or FF status), as it is at every other UK
Airport I have flown from.

Given your admitted lack of observational skills, how do you know that's
the situation at those other airports?

As an aside, I also noted the fast track on my return from WAW and did
note that it was available (amongst others) to families with small
children - to which I ask "Why"? Surely standing around for 30 minuets
with your child in the buggy makes no difference if it is "in line" for
security or in the lounge?

The small children get restless, and TPTB would rather they were
restless somewhere else. And that's ignoring the possibility that they
are being compassionate to the parents.

But perhaps you don't see(sic) why those skills are perhaps
something you lack.

I don't see the need to walk around random places with the
observation of a police detective, on the off chance that I should
witness a crime perhaps, and I am amazed that you do. What's the point?

There isn't an inherent "point", it just happens naturally.

Of course there is (if you think it is learnt)

I didn't learn it, it just happens.

most people don't do it

How do you know?
--
Roland Perry

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 11:49:24 on Thu, 29 Sep 2016,
tim... remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 09:43:50 on Thu, 29 Sep
2016, tim... remarked:

What, so the clearly branded ticket machines dotted around the
terminal,

nope, didn't see them. And if you haven't pre-advertised that they
are there, why would I?

Just normal observational skills.

Why would I (anyone) walk into an airport lounge looking for something
that they didn't know existed?

As someone who had checked in online with only carry on, I would look
for the signs to "departures" and follow them. Why would I notice
anything else?

You might see signage indicating that departures had a fast track lane.

I have already addressed that point

I did *see* the fast track line.

What I didn't see was any indication that it was accessed via payment
rather than class of ticket (or FF status), as it is at every other UK
Airport I have flown from.

Given your admitted lack of observational skills, how do you know that's
the situation at those other airports?

because I do

note that I didn't say that it I know whether it is, or isn't possible to
"buy" access at these airports, just that I know that class of ticket (and
possible FF status) does

How can you possibly base an assessment on somebody by simply claiming that
they are lying about something that they claimed to know

As an aside, I also noted the fast track on my return from WAW and did
note that it was available (amongst others) to families with small
children - to which I ask "Why"? Surely standing around for 30 minuets
with your child in the buggy makes no difference if it is "in line" for
security or in the lounge?

The small children get restless, and TPTB would rather they were restless
somewhere else. And that's ignoring the possibility that they are being
compassionate to the parents.

But perhaps you don't see(sic) why those skills are perhaps something
you lack.

I don't see the need to walk around random places with the observation
of a police detective, on the off chance that I should witness a crime
perhaps, and I am amazed that you do. What's the point?

There isn't an inherent "point", it just happens naturally.

Of course there is (if you think it is learnt)

I didn't learn it, it just happens.

most people don't do it

How do you know?

Because there are academic studies on the subject that have been rolled out
on programs such as Horizon

tim

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In message , at 17:31:10 on Thu, 29 Sep
2016, tim... remarked:

I did *see* the fast track line.

What I didn't see was any indication that it was accessed via payment
rather than class of ticket (or FF status), as it is at every other
UK Airport I have flown from.

Given your admitted lack of observational skills, how do you know
that's the situation at those other airports?

because I do

note that I didn't say that it I know whether it is, or isn't possible
to "buy" access at these airports, just that I know that class of
ticket (and possible FF status) does

Despite the fact this sub thread is about noticing that the fast-track
is available to oiks who pay on the day, not those privileged people?

How can you possibly base an assessment on somebody by simply claiming
that they are lying about something that they claimed to know

I don't think you are lying, merely terminally unobservant.
--
Roland Perry

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 17:31:10 on Thu, 29 Sep 2016,
tim... remarked:

I did *see* the fast track line.

What I didn't see was any indication that it was accessed via payment
rather than class of ticket (or FF status), as it is at every other UK
Airport I have flown from.

Given your admitted lack of observational skills, how do you know that's
the situation at those other airports?

because I do

note that I didn't say that it I know whether it is, or isn't possible to
"buy" access at these airports, just that I know that class of ticket (and
possible FF status) does

Despite the fact this sub thread is about noticing that the fast-track is
available to oiks who pay on the day, not those privileged people?

It's ridiculous to suggest that other uses of the fast track lane have no
connection to this argument

If someone has been around the world (not literally) to hundreds of airports
and is used to the system whereby fast racks lanes are available to people
who hold some upper class of travel ticket, it is perfectly reasonable to
expect that is the system with all fast track lanes and not look for
alternative methods of entry. Why would you not?

How can you possibly base an assessment on somebody by simply claiming
that they are lying about something that they claimed to know

I don't think you are lying, merely terminally unobservant.

Terminally!

tim

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In message , at 13:10:28 on Fri, 30 Sep
2016, tim... remarked:
Despite the fact this sub thread is about noticing that the fast-
track is available to oiks who pay on the day, not those privileged
people?

It's ridiculous to suggest that other uses of the fast track lane have
no connection to this argument

If someone has been around the world (not literally) to hundreds of
airports and is used to the system whereby fast racks lanes are
available to people who hold some upper class of travel ticket, it is
perfectly reasonable to expect that is the system with all fast track
lanes and not look for alternative methods of entry. Why would you
not?

By observing the fact that at some airports (even if not yet at the one
you are boarding from) there are places to buy fast-track tickets.

Like this (hardly invisible):

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/7830b8caaa...22d3/a-ticket-
machine-in-an-airport-sells-fast-track-tickets-for-access-c1pcyj.jpg
--
Roland Perry

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 13:10:28 on Fri, 30 Sep
2016, tim... remarked:
Despite the fact this sub thread is about noticing that the fast-
track is available to oiks who pay on the day, not those privileged
people?

It's ridiculous to suggest that other uses of the fast track lane have
no connection to this argument

If someone has been around the world (not literally) to hundreds of
airports and is used to the system whereby fast racks lanes are
available to people who hold some upper class of travel ticket, it is
perfectly reasonable to expect that is the system with all fast track
lanes and not look for alternative methods of entry. Why would you
not?

By observing the fact that at some airports (even if not yet at the one
you are boarding from) there are places to buy fast-track tickets.

Like this (hardly invisible):

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/7830b8caaa...22d3/a-ticket-
machine-in-an-airport-sells-fast-track-tickets-for-access-c1pcyj.jpg

and where is that?

I may never had walked past it (or one of its brothers)

tim


--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 14:10:10 on Fri, 30 Sep
2016, tim... remarked:
If someone has been around the world (not literally) to hundreds of
airports and is used to the system whereby fast racks lanes are
available to people who hold some upper class of travel ticket, it is
perfectly reasonable to expect that is the system with all fast track
lanes and not look for alternative methods of entry. Why would you
not?

By observing the fact that at some airports (even if not yet at the one
you are boarding from) there are places to buy fast-track tickets.

Like this (hardly invisible):

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/7830b8caaa...22d3/a-ticket-
machine-in-an-airport-sells-fast-track-tickets-for-access-c1pcyj.jpg

and where is that?

Newcastle International Airport, Newcastle, England, United Kingdom
Date taken 29th December 2010

I may never had walked past it (or one of its brothers)

Several airports have them, and knowing that is a mixture of general
knowledge and observation.
--
Roland Perry