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October 21st 16, 09:45 AM
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:56:06 -0500
wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 18:39:46 -0500 wrote: GTO electronics are seriously obsolete which could, I suspect, make obtaining further sets quite hard. Note that some Networkers have had their GTO controls replaced by Hitachi. Surely if a manufacturer builds a train with a working life probably exceeding at least 30 years then then should either guarantee a supply of parts for that time period or suffer penalties such as swallowing the cost of train upgrades if they can't? Even car manufacturers I believe are by law required to be able to supply parts for their vehicles for a minimum of 10 years in the USA & EU. ROFL! Well that was informative. -- Spud |
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October 22nd 16, 10:12 AM
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:56:06 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 18:39:46 -0500 wrote: GTO electronics are seriously obsolete which could, I suspect, make obtaining further sets quite hard. Note that some Networkers have had their GTO controls replaced by Hitachi. Surely if a manufacturer builds a train with a working life probably exceeding at least 30 years then then should either guarantee a supply of parts for that time period or suffer penalties such as swallowing the cost of train upgrades if they can't? Even car manufacturers I believe are by law required to be able to supply parts for their vehicles for a minimum of 10 years in the USA & EU. ROFL! Well that was informative. The problem with trying to guarantee replacement parts for electronic components, is that your suppliers wont guarantee supply of their devices for an extended length of time. I recall once working on a project where one of the components that had been selected for the product was obsoleted during the development phase and the board had to be re-engineered with a newer component. You can usually expect to get guaranteed supply for 5-7 years out of a supplier, but more than that and you are stuck having to make alternative arrangements. You might stretch a repair stock to 10-12 years by buying in before an item becomes obsolete, but 30 years! tim |
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October 22nd 16, 11:12 AM
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October 23rd 16, 12:41 AM
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In article , (tim...)
wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:56:06 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 18:39:46 -0500 wrote: GTO electronics are seriously obsolete which could, I suspect, make obtaining further sets quite hard. Note that some Networkers have had their GTO controls replaced by Hitachi. Surely if a manufacturer builds a train with a working life probably exceeding at least 30 years then then should either guarantee a supply of parts for that time period or suffer penalties such as swallowing the cost of train upgrades if they can't? Even car manufacturers I believe are by law required to be able to supply parts for their vehicles for a minimum of 10 years in the USA & EU. ROFL! Well that was informative. The problem with trying to guarantee replacement parts for electronic components, is that your suppliers wont guarantee supply of their devices for an extended length of time. I recall once working on a project where one of the components that had been selected for the product was obsoleted during the development phase and the board had to be re-engineered with a newer component. You can usually expect to get guaranteed supply for 5-7 years out of a supplier, but more than that and you are stuck having to make alternative arrangements. You might stretch a repair stock to 10-12 years by buying in before an item becomes obsolete, but 30 years! And with modern electronics, the timescales get shorter and shorter. NRN radios were 1980s technology. We made lots of them when I worked at Philips. By the end of the 1990s it wasn't even possible to manufacture the radios any more because electronics as discrete components on circuit boards were used any more. Replacement radio models hadn't been through the same approval process necessary for safety assurance of railway control systems. Yet radios manufactured back to the mid-80s are still today installed in train cabs and used at least until recently. A substantial cottage industry grew up finding and repairing such radios to keep the railway going. No doubt the same sort of thing will have to happen with the successor GSM-R technology. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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October 23rd 16, 11:01 AM
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On 23.10.2016 2:41 AM, wrote:
In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:56:06 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 18:39:46 -0500 wrote: GTO electronics are seriously obsolete which could, I suspect, make obtaining further sets quite hard. Note that some Networkers have had their GTO controls replaced by Hitachi. Surely if a manufacturer builds a train with a working life probably exceeding at least 30 years then then should either guarantee a supply of parts for that time period or suffer penalties such as swallowing the cost of train upgrades if they can't? Even car manufacturers I believe are by law required to be able to supply parts for their vehicles for a minimum of 10 years in the USA & EU. ROFL! Well that was informative. The problem with trying to guarantee replacement parts for electronic components, is that your suppliers wont guarantee supply of their devices for an extended length of time. I recall once working on a project where one of the components that had been selected for the product was obsoleted during the development phase and the board had to be re-engineered with a newer component. You can usually expect to get guaranteed supply for 5-7 years out of a supplier, but more than that and you are stuck having to make alternative arrangements. You might stretch a repair stock to 10-12 years by buying in before an item becomes obsolete, but 30 years! And with modern electronics, the timescales get shorter and shorter. NRN radios were 1980s technology. We made lots of them when I worked at Philips. Hail well to a fellow Philips veteran! Ex PRL Redhill here). I've got nothing of value to add... Err, ob.transport, I always use a train when I visit friends/old Philips colleagues in Eindhoven (clutches at straw...) |
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October 23rd 16, 03:54 PM
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In article , (Clank)
wrote: On 23.10.2016 2:41 AM, wrote: In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:56:06 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 18:39:46 -0500 wrote: GTO electronics are seriously obsolete which could, I suspect, make obtaining further sets quite hard. Note that some Networkers have had their GTO controls replaced by Hitachi. Surely if a manufacturer builds a train with a working life probably exceeding at least 30 years then then should either guarantee a supply of parts for that time period or suffer penalties such as swallowing the cost of train upgrades if they can't? Even car manufacturers I believe are by law required to be able to supply parts for their vehicles for a minimum of 10 years in the USA & EU. ROFL! Well that was informative. The problem with trying to guarantee replacement parts for electronic components, is that your suppliers wont guarantee supply of their devices for an extended length of time. I recall once working on a project where one of the components that had been selected for the product was obsoleted during the development phase and the board had to be re-engineered with a newer component. You can usually expect to get guaranteed supply for 5-7 years out of a supplier, but more than that and you are stuck having to make alternative arrangements. You might stretch a repair stock to 10-12 years by buying in before an item becomes obsolete, but 30 years! And with modern electronics, the timescales get shorter and shorter. NRN radios were 1980s technology. We made lots of them when I worked at Philips. Hail well to a fellow Philips veteran! Ex PRL Redhill here). You didn't make the Research Labs move to Cambridge then? I've got nothing of value to add... Err, ob.transport, I always use a train when I visit friends/old Philips colleagues in Eindhoven (clutches at straw...) Have you travelled on a Croydon tram? The original Bombardier Flexity fleet still have their Simoco-branded FM1000 radios. Simoco had gone bust by the time the tramway opened but I think Philips had to back the guarantees. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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October 23rd 16, 05:11 PM
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On 23.10.2016 5:54 PM, wrote:
In article , (Clank) wrote: On 23.10.2016 2:41 AM, wrote: In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:56:06 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 18:39:46 -0500 wrote: GTO electronics are seriously obsolete which could, I suspect, make obtaining further sets quite hard. Note that some Networkers have had their GTO controls replaced by Hitachi. Surely if a manufacturer builds a train with a working life probably exceeding at least 30 years then then should either guarantee a supply of parts for that time period or suffer penalties such as swallowing the cost of train upgrades if they can't? Even car manufacturers I believe are by law required to be able to supply parts for their vehicles for a minimum of 10 years in the USA & EU. ROFL! Well that was informative. The problem with trying to guarantee replacement parts for electronic components, is that your suppliers wont guarantee supply of their devices for an extended length of time. I recall once working on a project where one of the components that had been selected for the product was obsoleted during the development phase and the board had to be re-engineered with a newer component. You can usually expect to get guaranteed supply for 5-7 years out of a supplier, but more than that and you are stuck having to make alternative arrangements. You might stretch a repair stock to 10-12 years by buying in before an item becomes obsolete, but 30 years! And with modern electronics, the timescales get shorter and shorter. NRN radios were 1980s technology. We made lots of them when I worked at Philips. Hail well to a fellow Philips veteran! Ex PRL Redhill here). You didn't make the Research Labs move to Cambridge then? No, I left before they closed PRL - was offered a job paying more on new-fangled internetty sfuff and I had a hunch embedded software engineering wasn't a good long term prospect, even though I loved it. They offered me a transfer to Sunnyvale which often makes me wonder how my life would've turned out if I'd accepted. (Absolutely no regrets, mind.) I've got nothing of value to add... Err, ob.transport, I always use a train when I visit friends/old Philips colleagues in Eindhoven (clutches at straw...) Have you travelled on a Croydon tram? The original Bombardier Flexity fleet still have their Simoco-branded FM1000 radios. Simoco had gone bust by the time the tramway opened but I think Philips had to back the guarantees. Many times, I lived in Croydon for a long time (moved there when I started at PRL, in fact - it was as close to Horley as I was willing to live ;-).) Of course the trams didn't exist then, but I watched it built and used it from opening day on :-). |
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October 23rd 16, 09:35 PM
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On 2016-10-23, Clank wrote:
On 23.10.2016 5:54 PM, wrote: In article , (Clank) wrote: On 23.10.2016 2:41 AM, wrote: In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:56:06 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 18:39:46 -0500 wrote: GTO electronics are seriously obsolete which could, I suspect, make obtaining further sets quite hard. Note that some Networkers have had their GTO controls replaced by Hitachi. Surely if a manufacturer builds a train with a working life probably exceeding at least 30 years then then should either guarantee a supply of parts for that time period or suffer penalties such as swallowing the cost of train upgrades if they can't? Even car manufacturers I believe are by law required to be able to supply parts for their vehicles for a minimum of 10 years in the USA & EU. ROFL! Well that was informative. The problem with trying to guarantee replacement parts for electronic components, is that your suppliers wont guarantee supply of their devices for an extended length of time. I recall once working on a project where one of the components that had been selected for the product was obsoleted during the development phase and the board had to be re-engineered with a newer component. You can usually expect to get guaranteed supply for 5-7 years out of a supplier, but more than that and you are stuck having to make alternative arrangements. You might stretch a repair stock to 10-12 years by buying in before an item becomes obsolete, but 30 years! And with modern electronics, the timescales get shorter and shorter. NRN radios were 1980s technology. We made lots of them when I worked at Philips. Hail well to a fellow Philips veteran! Ex PRL Redhill here). You didn't make the Research Labs move to Cambridge then? No, I left before they closed PRL - was offered a job paying more on new-fangled internetty sfuff and I had a hunch embedded software engineering wasn't a good long term prospect, even though I loved it. They offered me a transfer to Sunnyvale which often makes me wonder how my life would've turned out if I'd accepted. (Absolutely no regrets, mind.) I've got nothing of value to add... Err, ob.transport, I always use a train when I visit friends/old Philips colleagues in Eindhoven (clutches at straw...) Have you travelled on a Croydon tram? The original Bombardier Flexity fleet still have their Simoco-branded FM1000 radios. Simoco had gone bust by the time the tramway opened but I think Philips had to back the guarantees. Many times, I lived in Croydon for a long time (moved there when I started at PRL, in fact - it was as close to Horley as I was willing to live ;-).) Of course the trams didn't exist then, but I watched it built and used it from opening day on :-). Well that is very interesting to read, I lived in Croydon when the original trams ran up the high street, often got my bike wheels stuck in the tramlines. I also worked for Philips at the height of the 60's consumer boom in the giant stores in Beddington Lane, valves, transistors, magnetic components and tons of other interesting stuff, we had the first colour tv's they came in by the lorryload, we had to unload and stack them, they weighed at least 45 to 50 pounds, then a couple of days later we had to hump them onto another lorry. We used to get overtime at xmas in the record stores in the Croydon factory in Purley Way The stores was about 6 acres of double floor dexion with lifts and stairs and about 2 acres of rows of standard green pallets with wooden pallets on board it was fun racing around on a fork lift truck, and our first electric pallitron was one of the wonders of the universe at the time Those were the days......... |
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October 23rd 16, 11:47 PM
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In article g.uk,
(martin) wrote: On 2016-10-23, Clank wrote: On 23.10.2016 5:54 PM, wrote: In article , (Clank) wrote: Have you travelled on a Croydon tram? The original Bombardier Flexity fleet still have their Simoco-branded FM1000 radios. Simoco had gone bust by the time the tramway opened but I think Philips had to back the guarantees. Many times, I lived in Croydon for a long time (moved there when I started at PRL, in fact - it was as close to Horley as I was willing to live ;-).) Of course the trams didn't exist then, but I watched it built and used it from opening day on :-). Well that is very interesting to read, I lived in Croydon when the original trams ran up the high street, often got my bike wheels stuck in the tramlines. I also worked for Philips at the height of the 60's consumer boom in the giant stores in Beddington Lane, valves, transistors, magnetic components and tons of other interesting stuff, we had the first colour tv's they came in by the lorryload, we had to unload and stack them, they weighed at least 45 to 50 pounds, then a couple of days later we had to hump them onto another lorry. We used to get overtime at xmas in the record stores in the Croydon factory in Purley Way The stores was about 6 acres of double floor dexion with lifts and stairs and about 2 acres of rows of standard green pallets with wooden pallets on board it was fun racing around on a fork lift truck, and our first electric pallitron was one of the wonders of the universe at the time Those were the days......... Nostalgia ain't what it used to be? At least the mobile radio communications industry involved smaller quantities of lighter kit. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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