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On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:01:39 +0000
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:51:45 on Thu, 10 Nov 2016, d remarked: Is there not some sort of ATP or speed control system in such an event on the Tramlink? IIRC, there are timed signals along the line. TPWS-for-trams, anyone? Doesn't sound like such a bad idea, under the circumstances. I'm surprised such systems arn't installed already on trams like croydon that are essentially railways in all but name. Will these unfortunate deaths be included in the otherwise minimal stats for "UK Rail Passenger Fatalities"? Good question. -- Spud |
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Roland Perry wrote on 10 Nov 2016 at 14:01 ...
In message , at 13:51:45 on Thu, 10 Nov 2016, d remarked: Is there not some sort of ATP or speed control system in such an event on the Tramlink? IIRC, there are timed signals along the line. TPWS-for-trams, anyone? Doesn't sound like such a bad idea, under the circumstances. I'm surprised such systems arn't installed already on trams like croydon that are essentially railways in all but name. Will these unfortunate deaths be included in the otherwise minimal stats for "UK Rail Passenger Fatalities"? Yes, the ORR classify them as "non-mainline", covering "heritage railways, tramways, light rail and metro systems". These are the first deaths of passengers being carried on a rail vehicle in Great Britain in an accident since Grayrigg in 2007. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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In message , at 17:00:22 on Thu, 10 Nov
2016, d remarked: Unlike a bus a train can't swerve out of the way if there's an obstruction ahead Vague memories of Greyrigg here. -- Roland Perry |
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In article , d () wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:53:30 +0000 " wrote: On 09.11.16 19:03, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 18:55:42 on Wed, 9 Nov 2016, " remarked: Almost certain speed, RAIB have dropped a huge hint about that. driver or leaf fall? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Is there not some sort of ATP or speed control system in such an event on the Tramlink? IIRC, there are timed signals along the line. TPWS-for-trams, anyone? Doesn't sound like such a bad idea, under the circumstances. I'm surprised such systems arn't installed already on trams like croydon that are essentially railways in all but name. I think the only system where you might be right is Manchester Metrolink which has both railway signalled and drive-on-sight sections, with different controller settings for each. Most trams in this country are driven like buses. The only real difference is separate traffic signals which only apply to trams (white lights). I can see a case for railway signals on the off-road sections of Tramlink which would cover the section south of the crash site to Sandilands tram stop. That might include overspeed protection like TPWS. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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(Richard J.) wrote: Roland Perry wrote on 10 Nov 2016 at 14:01 ... In message , at 13:51:45 on Thu, 10 Nov 2016, d remarked: Is there not some sort of ATP or speed control system in such an event on the Tramlink? IIRC, there are timed signals along the line. TPWS-for-trams, anyone? Doesn't sound like such a bad idea, under the circumstances. I'm surprised such systems arn't installed already on trams like croydon that are essentially railways in all but name. Will these unfortunate deaths be included in the otherwise minimal stats for "UK Rail Passenger Fatalities"? Yes, the ORR classify them as "non-mainline", covering "heritage railways, tramways, light rail and metro systems". These are the first deaths of passengers being carried on a rail vehicle in Great Britain in an accident since Grayrigg in 2007. And the last time as many as 7 were killed is even longer ago. :-( -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 7:10:56 PM UTC, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 18:55:42 on Wed, 9 Nov 2016, " remarked: Almost certain speed, RAIB have dropped a huge hint about that. driver or leaf fall? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Is there not some sort of ATP or speed control system in such an event on the Tramlink? IIRC, there are timed signals along the line. TPWS-for-trams, anyone? -- Roland Perry The latest from the BBC is that it was a Wimbledon-bound train that derailed after taking a 12mph corner too fast. Explains why the driver has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter. They are also investigating if he was asleep. Apparently trams aren't fitted with devices to apply the brakes if travelling too fast. but, according to the BBC, they are fitted with devices that apply the brakes if the driver falls asleep Ever stranger and stranger tim |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:38:20 +0000
Neil Williams wrote: On 2016-11-10 17:00:22 +0000, d said: That sounds like a retrograde step to me. Unlike a bus a train can't swerve out of the way if there's an obstruction ahead the driver missed and as we have seen, toppling over on a curve is a possibly. A bus would just skid. Buses can and do topple if driven too fast round corners. National Express gave up double-decker operation for years when this happened to one of theirs. Yes, fair point. But in general a bus is more likely to skid than topple. Didn't LT make a point of showing videos of old routemasters that would never topple over no matter what idiotic moves a bus driver did with them? Admittedly it was on a skid pan so there were no curbs or other obstacles for the wheels to get caught on, but even so. -- Spud |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:26:01 -0800 (PST)
Offramp wrote: At his forum David Icke reckons that this tram crash, like all rail and bus= crashes, was a hoax. See https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=3D29= 9862&page=3D17 David Icke is usually for entertainment value only , but this is just hideously disrespectful to the people who died and were hurt. I know the man is borderline mentally ill, but I can't help thinking he should lose a few teeth over this one. -- Spud |
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