http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37919658

At a rough guess I'd say it went around a curve way too fast.

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Spud

d wrote on 09 Nov 2016 at 10:20 ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37919658

At a rough guess I'd say it went around a curve way too fast.

BBC now saying there has been "some loss of life".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37919658

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Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:14:43 +0000, Richard J. wrote:
d wrote on 09 Nov 2016 at 10:20 ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37919658

At a rough guess I'd say it went around a curve way too fast.

BBC now saying there has been "some loss of life".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37919658

"Croydon tram derailment: Driver arrested after crash leaves 'up to
eight dead' and over 50 in hospital" says the Evening Standard

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-a3391446.html

The Guardian are quoting a TfL source as saying
"the incident happened inside a tunnel" -
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ped-40-injured

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:14:43 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
wrote on 09 Nov 2016 at 10:20 ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37919658

At a rough guess I'd say it went around a curve way too fast.

BBC now saying there has been "some loss of life".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37919658

Yeah

"The cause of the crash is unclear."

I would say its pretty clear looking at the picture. Detailed going around
a curve or the a set of points too fast. The fact they've nicked the driver
I suspect means they're thinking the same thing. Or he's failed a breath test.

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Spud

In message , at 13:25:24 on
Wed, 9 Nov 2016, David Walters remarked:

The Guardian are quoting a TfL source as saying
"the incident happened inside a tunnel" -
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ped-40-injured

Which suggests it was running north towards Sandilands Station and
something had happened inside the tunnel.

Frustrating that there's no definite reporting of its direction.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 13:56:48 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016, Roland Perry remarked:
The Guardian are quoting a TfL source as saying
"the incident happened inside a tunnel" -
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ped-40-injured

Which suggests it was running north towards Sandilands Station and
something had happened inside the tunnel.

Frustrating that there's no definite reporting of its direction.

Daily Mail now reporting:

'It happened on a sharp bend on the approach to Sandilands tram stop.'

Which is consistent with another comment:

'As we looked down on the tram it was on its right hand side'

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Roland Perry

On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 2:28:55 PM UTC, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:56:48 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016, Roland Perry remarked:
The Guardian are quoting a TfL source as saying
"the incident happened inside a tunnel" -
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ped-40-injured

Which suggests it was running north towards Sandilands Station and
something had happened inside the tunnel.

Frustrating that there's no definite reporting of its direction.

Daily Mail now reporting:

'It happened on a sharp bend on the approach to Sandilands tram stop.'

Which is consistent with another comment:

'As we looked down on the tram it was on its right hand side'

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Roland Perry

From Sandilands the track descends steeply and splits in two, where it joins the route of the former Woodside and South Croydon Railway. By the look of the overhead shot, it was possibly taking the righthand track and came off. Or was it coming the other way and took the corner too fast? If it wasn't human error, then perhaps brake failure? I'm not familiar with braking systems on that system.

Neill

On 09.11.16 15:57, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 2:28:55 PM UTC, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:56:48 on Wed, 9 Nov
2016, Roland Perry remarked:
The Guardian are quoting a TfL source as saying
"the incident happened inside a tunnel" -
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ped-40-injured

Which suggests it was running north towards Sandilands Station and
something had happened inside the tunnel.

Frustrating that there's no definite reporting of its direction.

Daily Mail now reporting:

'It happened on a sharp bend on the approach to Sandilands tram stop.'

Which is consistent with another comment:

'As we looked down on the tram it was on its right hand side'

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Roland Perry

From Sandilands the track descends steeply and splits in two, where it joins the route of the former Woodside and South Croydon Railway. By the look of the overhead shot, it was possibly taking the righthand track and came off. Or was it coming the other way and took the corner too fast? If it wasn't human error, then perhaps brake failure? I'm not familiar with braking systems on that system.

Neill

Electric, combined with electromagnetic, AFAIK.

In message , at
07:57:51 on Wed, 9 Nov 2016, remarked:

Daily Mail now reporting:

'It happened on a sharp bend on the approach to Sandilands tram stop.'

Which is consistent with another comment:

'As we looked down on the tram it was on its right hand side'


From Sandilands the track descends steeply

Which isn't "approching Sandilands"

and splits in two, where it joins the route of the former Woodside and
South Croydon Railway. By the look of the overhead shot, it was
possibly taking the righthand track and came off.

Which would leave it rolled over on its *left* side.

The fog of war continues to waft across the scene.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

The fog of war continues to waft across the scene.
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Roland Perry

From RAIBC:

"The tram was operating an 'inbound' service from New Addington to Wimbledon
via Croydon town centre. Sandilands Junction is the point where inbound
trams from the Beckenham Junction/Elmers End and New Addington routes
converge, shortly before they arrive at Sandilands tram stop (to the east of
Croydon town centre). Trams approaching from the New Addington direction
have to negotiate a sharp, left-hand curve with a speed limit of 20 km/h (12
mph) before reaching the junction. The derailment occurred on the curve and
initial indications suggest that the tram was travelling at a significantly
higher speed than is permitted."

PA