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Happened in Kingston this morning. I saw it shortly after they put the fire out, the back of the bus was pretty much melted and the whole area stank of burning plastic. It was a 371 from Richmond way, only the driver on board luckily. He was reated for smoke inhalation.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/loca...ondon-12262350

Neill

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On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:48:08 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
Happened in Kingston this morning. I saw it shortly after they put the fire=
out, the back of the bus was pretty much melted and the whole area stank o=
f burning plastic. It was a 371 from Richmond way, only the driver on board=
luckily. He was reated for smoke inhalation.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/loca...ee-london-122=
62350

Thats worryingly flammable.

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On 02/12/2016 16:31, d wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:48:08 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
Happened in Kingston this morning. I saw it shortly after they put the fire=
out, the back of the bus was pretty much melted and the whole area stank o=
f burning plastic. It was a 371 from Richmond way, only the driver on board=
luckily. He was reated for smoke inhalation.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/loca...ee-london-122=
62350

Thats worryingly flammable.


ISTM pretty normal for a commercial vehicle which carries a load of diesel.

And it's not all that rare for buses to burn. Eg

26/11 in Motherwell
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38119498

17/11 in Gloucester
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/bus-fire-piccadilly-station-manchester-12217673


My impression is that they and the similar lorry fires don't get that
much coverage because in the vast majority of cases no one is seriously
injured.

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Going back past earlier, it looks like it stopped over a drain and the Fire Brigade managed to wash large amount of diesel into the Thames, which is a few metres away. Thames Waters were there, along with large amounts of sand spread over the road.

Neill

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In message , at
07:48:08 on Fri, 2 Dec 2016, remarked:
Happened in Kingston this morning. I saw it shortly after they put the fire out, the back of the bus was pretty much melted and the whole area
stank of burning plastic. It was a 371 from Richmond way, only the driver on board luckily. He was reated for smoke inhalation.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/loca...ondon-12262350

Shoddy journalism, it doesn't show the bus bursting into flames, rather
than some time after it was well alight.
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In message , at
17:52:09 on Fri, 2 Dec 2016, Robin remarked:

ISTM pretty normal for a commercial vehicle which carries a load of diesel.

And it's not all that rare for buses to burn. Eg

26/11 in Motherwell http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-
west-38119498

17/11 in Gloucester http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate
r-manchester-news/bus-fire-piccadilly-station-manchester-12217673


My impression is that they and the similar lorry fires don't get that
much coverage because in the vast majority of cases no one is seriously
injured.

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

http://www.essexlive.news/m11-closed...airport/story-
29260090-detail/story.html
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On 02-Dec-16 10:38 PM, wrote:
Going back past earlier, it looks like it stopped over a drain and the Fire Brigade managed to wash large amount of diesel into the Thames, which is a few metres away. Thames Waters were there, along with large amounts of sand spread over the road.

Neill


Not the Thames, but the Hogsmill.
Many swans got covered in diesel see
http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/14...ogsmill_river/


http://tinyurl.com/hs6ehj2

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On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

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On 04/12/2016 17:22, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently).

Which incident was that?

Bus Goes up in flames
 

Neil Williams writes:

On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

What about hydrogen buses, such as the RV1? Hopefully there are very
strong precautions against the fuel catching fire or exploding even in
the case of a serious collision etc.

Bus Goes up in flames
 

On 2016-12-04 17:31:13 +0000, said:

Which incident was that?

There was a fire in an overhead air conditioning unit in a Southern
Electrostar which caused a bit of disruption and did a nice job of
melting the ceiling panels and turning everything black.

Neil
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On 04/12/2016 19:15, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-12-04 17:31:13 +0000, said:

Which incident was that?

There was a fire in an overhead air conditioning unit in a Southern
Electrostar which caused a bit of disruption and did a nice job of
melting the ceiling panels and turning everything black.

Neil
When was that?

Bus Goes up in flames
 

Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

Instead, you have a half a tonne of lithium-ion batteries... so much
better than a tank full of petrol!

https://www.rt.com/news/327752-tesla-electric-car-fire/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug...fire_incidents

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10..._battery_fire/

https://www.wired.com/2016/10/samsun...just-ask-nasa/

http://www.techradar.com/news/why-li...ies-catch-fire

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37255127

http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercoh.../#588a89f21bb2

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...he-dreamliner/

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On 04/12/2016 21:16, Recliner wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

Instead, you have a half a tonne of lithium-ion batteries... so much
better than a tank full of petrol!

https://www.rt.com/news/327752-tesla-electric-car-fire/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug...fire_incidents

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10..._battery_fire/

https://www.wired.com/2016/10/samsun...just-ask-nasa/

http://www.techradar.com/news/why-li...ies-catch-fire

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37255127

http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercoh.../#588a89f21bb2

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...he-dreamliner/


Not to speak for ion lithium batteries, but I believe that one reason
for the problems on Dreamliners was due to faulty installation, and not
because of the batteries themselves.

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On 2016-12-04 19:40:45 +0000, said:

When was that?

About a week ago.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/business...form-1-7701719


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In message , at 17:22:22 on Sun, 4 Dec
2016, Neil Williams remarked:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

Vehicle fires are pretty rare, I don't see more than about one a year.

Putting aside the times one is a pedestrian, how many other cars does
one observe while driving the traditional 10k miles a year?
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Bus Goes up in flames
 

In uk.transport.london message , Sun,
4 Dec 2016 17:22:22, Neil Williams
posted:

On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

A charged propulsion battery contains a similar amount of energy to what
a full fuel tank does, and is likely to contain flammable substances.
It could easily ignite the contents of the goods/passenger compartments.

Such a battery should be better protected than traditional fuel tanks
are; but perhaps the same could be said of the tanks.

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In uk.transport.london message , Sun, 4
Dec 2016 17:37:52, Graham Murray posted:

Neil Williams writes:

On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

What about hydrogen buses, such as the RV1? Hopefully there are very
strong precautions against the fuel catching fire or exploding even in
the case of a serious collision etc.

Hydrogen can only explode chemically if it is mixed with oxidiser before
ignition. Gaseous hydrogen is very much less dense than air, so will
rapidly depart the scene upwards - in which respect it is better than
ordinary liquid fuels. But, unlike the case for hydrocarbons, a
hydrogen flame is not easily visible.

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 02:19:59 +0000, "
wrote:

On 04/12/2016 21:16, Recliner wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

Instead, you have a half a tonne of lithium-ion batteries... so much
better than a tank full of petrol!

https://www.rt.com/news/327752-tesla-electric-car-fire/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug...fire_incidents

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10..._battery_fire/

https://www.wired.com/2016/10/samsun...just-ask-nasa/

http://www.techradar.com/news/why-li...ies-catch-fire

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37255127

http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercoh.../#588a89f21bb2

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...he-dreamliner/


Not to speak for ion lithium batteries, but I believe that one reason
for the problems on Dreamliners was due to faulty installation, and not
because of the batteries themselves.

The two go together. The batteries have a habit of over-heating, so
they need to be installed in vented, cooled but fire-proof enclosures.
If the batteries didn't over-heat, the demands on the containers
wouldn't be so stringent.

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 08:15:03 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 17:22:22 on Sun, 4 Dec
2016, Neil Williams remarked:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

Vehicle fires are pretty rare, I don't see more than about one a year.

Just wait till there are more BEVs on the roads...

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On Sun, 04 Dec 2016 17:37:52 +0000, Graham Murray
wrote:

Neil Williams writes:

On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

What about hydrogen buses, such as the RV1? Hopefully there are very
strong precautions against the fuel catching fire or exploding even in
the case of a serious collision etc.

I think hydrogen-fuelled vehicles are much safer, as the gas escapes
before it can burn. The tanks also have to be very strong simply to
contain the high pressures.

Bus Goes up in flames
 

On 2016\12\05 13:35, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2016 17:37:52 +0000, Graham Murray
wrote:

Neil Williams writes:

On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

What about hydrogen buses, such as the RV1? Hopefully there are very
strong precautions against the fuel catching fire or exploding even in
the case of a serious collision etc.

I think hydrogen-fuelled vehicles are much safer, as the gas escapes
before it can burn.

Oh the humanity!

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On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:52:09 +0000
Robin wrote:
On 02/12/2016 16:31, d wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:48:08 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
Happened in Kingston this morning. I saw it shortly after they put the fire=
out, the back of the bus was pretty much melted and the whole area stank o=
f burning plastic. It was a 371 from Richmond way, only the driver on board=
luckily. He was reated for smoke inhalation.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/loca...ee-london-122=
62350

Thats worryingly flammable.


ISTM pretty normal for a commercial vehicle which carries a load of diesel.

It doesn't look like its the diesel thats burning though, it looks like its
the plastic panels.

26/11 in Motherwell
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38119498

Smart driver there - your bus catches fire so pull off the road and park it
next to someones house. A real rocket scientist that bus company has working
for them.

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On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 11:31:32 +0000
wrote:
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 09:31:19 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:



ISTM pretty normal for a commercial vehicle which carries a load of diesel.

It doesn't look like its the diesel thats burning though, it looks like its
the plastic panels.

26/11 in Motherwell
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38119498

Smart driver there - your bus catches fire so pull off the road and park it
next to someones house. A real rocket scientist that bus company has working
for them.

Unless it was deliberate, Looking up and down the road on streetview
it looks a fairly deprived area and the house looks like part of the
adjoining nail bar,hair dresser style business an overcrowded market
for many young women attemptong to make a living.
That part of Scotland has a long history of protection rackets.

There are probably much easier ways to intimidate people than nicking or
hijacking a bus to burn it next to their property.

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On 2016-12-06 12:02:40 +0000, d said:

There are probably much easier ways to intimidate people than nicking or
hijacking a bus to burn it next to their property.

Quite. If someone wanted to involve an incendiary vehicle in
something, a car would be much easier to acquire, and being petrol
rather than diesel you'd get more of an impressive fire more quickly.

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On 06-Dec-16 9:31 AM, d wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:52:09 +0000
Robin wrote:
On 02/12/2016 16:31, d wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:48:08 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
Happened in Kingston this morning. I saw it shortly after they put the fire=
out, the back of the bus was pretty much melted and the whole area stank o=
f burning plastic. It was a 371 from Richmond way, only the driver on board=
luckily. He was reated for smoke inhalation.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/loca...ee-london-122=
62350

Thats worryingly flammable.


ISTM pretty normal for a commercial vehicle which carries a load of diesel.

It doesn't look like its the diesel thats burning though, it looks like its
the plastic panels.

26/11 in Motherwell
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38119498

Smart driver there - your bus catches fire so pull off the road and park it
next to someones house. A real rocket scientist that bus company has working
for them.


With the Kingston fire, if he had pulled up 100 yds further on he could
have burned the copshop.

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