On Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:24:54 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2017-01-03 16:11:43 +0000, Someone Somewhere said:

That, allied to their reputation as a "free bus"

I'm not clear why the Bozza bus, which has exactly the same operating
model, isn't also seen that way.

FWIW, the bendy could have been operated as "on at the front, off at
the back" the same as most London deckers. The method of revenue
protection has nothing to do with the type of bus.

Presumably the main difference is the larger number of passengers per bus.

Another nail in the coffin was the Brexit-style campaign of
misinformation from serial liar Boris himself and the Mini Mail -- or
was the Standard in the oligarch's hands by then?

Plenty of artic buses are operated in an "on at the front" manner -
many, many places in France and Spain for instance, and they operate
in many of the oldest cities across Europe so I maintain sceptical
about their alleged problems. Of course, some routes suit some
vehicles better. The first routes these buses went from were the ones
to which they were most suited, therefore IMO the policy was nothing
but ********.

Richard.

On Wed, 04 Jan 2017 20:40:57 +0000
Richard wrote:
Another nail in the coffin was the Brexit-style campaign of
misinformation from serial liar Boris himself and the Mini Mail -- or

Boris just jumps on any bandwagon that it thinks will take him somewhere
convenient. With the buses he could stick it to ken and get the lycra lout
vote all in one.

was the Standard in the oligarch's hands by then?

Sadly the standard these days is nothing more than Guardian Lite. An
unremitting diet of liberal left bull**** and propaganda.

vehicles better. The first routes these buses went from were the ones
to which they were most suited, therefore IMO the policy was nothing
but ********.

Weren't they removed from Uxbridge road PDQ, the route that was absolutely
perfect for them?

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Spud

[quote=Neil Williams;159791]On 2017-01-04 12:36:37 +0000, d said:

What causes more congestion, 2 double deckers or one bendy? I'm guessing you
don't visit Oxford street very often.

Oxford Street's transport arrangement is a joke. In a civilised
country it'd have a single tram route and no taxis.

Neil

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...d-bus-changes/

Bendies here in Caen and many other French cities operate “on at the front,
off at the centre and rear� rule. Enforced by onboard CCTV in many locales.

Mind you, Twisto here (aka Kaolis) over-eggs the pudding somewhat with the
message “Je Monte, Je Valide� alternating with the destination on the
front display panel every few seconds. A big irritation in the city centre
when you can’t tell whether your bus is next or one following, since they
are all showing the same front message.

As one friend put it: “Kaolis obviously think we Caennais are stupid. Half
the population is too young to know any other kind of bus – and the rest of
us have had years to learn how it works. We know we have to pay or valider
when we board – what we REALLY want to know is this if it is the bus we
want to board.�

Of course the real anti-social behaviour on our buses is failing to say
“Bonjour� to the conducteur as you compostez, [For the avoidance of
doubt, that’s the person sitting at the steering wheel].


On 4 Jan 2017, Neil Williams wrote
(in article ):

On 2017-01-03 16:11:43 +0000, Someone Somewhere said:

That, allied to their reputation as a "free bus"

I'm not clear why the Bozza bus, which has exactly the same operating
model, isn't also seen that way.

FWIW, the bendy could have been operated as "on at the front, off at
the back" the same as most London deckers. The method of revenue
protection has nothing to do with the type of bus.

Neil

On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:07:05 +0100
Water musician wrote:
Bendies here in Caen and many other French cities operate “on at the front,
off at the centre and rear� rule. Enforced by onboard CCTV in many locales.

Mind you, Twisto here (aka Kaolis) over-eggs the pudding somewhat with the
message “Je Monte, Je Valide� alternating with the destination on the
front display panel every few seconds. A big irritation in the city centre
when you can’t tell whether your bus is next or one following, since they
are all showing the same front message.

As one friend put it: “Kaolis obviously think we Caennais are stupid. Half
the population is too young to know any other kind of bus – and the rest of
us have had years to learn how it works. We know we have to pay or valider
when we board – what we REALLY want to know is this if it is the bus we
want to board.�

The london bus dot matrix boards at bus stops are useful , but they do have
an annoying habit of slowly going through a list of up to 9 buses r a t h e r
s l o o o o w ly , which is annoying when its telling you the 7th, 8th and 9th
buses (which are usually 15-20 mins away) when all want to know if your bus is
coming in the next 2 mins or whether you have enough time to do a bit more
shopping.

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Spud

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 00:49:07 +0100
Robin9 wrote:
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...d-bus-changes/

"London is growing, with an estimated 10 million people expected to live here
by the early 2030s"

10 million already live in commuting distance. Presumably they mean within
the london boroughs - well good luck with that given the lack of housing.
Hopefully some politician will find a pair of balls after Brexit and actually
do something about mass immigration tho given a large proportion of immigration
is from non EU countries which we do have control over yet do nothing about
I won't hold my breath.

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Spud

In message , at 10:54:30 on Fri, 6 Jan
2017, d remarked:

"London is growing, with an estimated 10 million people expected to live here
by the early 2030s"

10 million already live in commuting distance. Presumably they mean within
the london boroughs

Isn't "commuting distance" usually reckoned to be an hour from a London
Rail Terminus? Although 10m is far too small for that.
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Roland Perry

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:03:59 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:54:30 on Fri, 6 Jan
2017, d remarked:

"London is growing, with an estimated 10 million people expected to live here
by the early 2030s"

10 million already live in commuting distance. Presumably they mean within
the london boroughs

Isn't "commuting distance" usually reckoned to be an hour from a London
Rail Terminus? Although 10m is far too small for that.

Don't know, but isn't there something like 20-25 million in london and the home
counties?

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Spud

In message , at 11:13:58 on Fri, 6 Jan
2017, d remarked:

"London is growing, with an estimated 10 million people expected to live here
by the early 2030s"

10 million already live in commuting distance. Presumably they mean within
the london boroughs

Isn't "commuting distance" usually reckoned to be an hour from a London
Rail Terminus? Although 10m is far too small for that.

Don't know,

The 1hr is true.

but isn't there something like 20-25 million in london and the home
counties?

8.5m in Great London today, so the extra 1.5m will be easily mopped up
by the boroughs which encircle it.
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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 11:13:58 on Fri, 6 Jan
2017, d remarked:

"London is growing, with an estimated 10 million people expected to
live here by the early 2030s"

10 million already live in commuting distance. Presumably they mean
within the london boroughs

Isn't "commuting distance" usually reckoned to be an hour from a London
Rail Terminus? Although 10m is far too small for that.

Don't know,

The 1hr is true.

Ely within 1 hour?

but isn't there something like 20-25 million in london and the home
counties?

8.5m in Great London today, so the extra 1.5m will be easily mopped
up by the boroughs which encircle it.

I assume the discussion is about the Greater London population. Hopefully
Spud won't get his wish if he wants enough people to be working to pay for
his pension.

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Colin Rosenstiel