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John Levine wrote:
I'm surprised a 737 can fly for 7 hours without refueling. What ****ty budget
airline was dishing them up for long haul? Let us know so we can avoid it.

It's the 737-700ER, with a range of 5,630 nm. That's enough to get
from London to anywhere in the continental US.

Not I suspect if you include fuel safety margins.

It depends on the wind and the loading. LHR-LAX is 4741 nm, so well within
the nominal range, but if the 737 has max payload and there's the usual
headwind, it may be insufficient.

I suppose, but since the last third of the flight is over southern
Canada and the US, there'd be plenty of places to land and refuel if
need be.

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

John Levine wrote:
John Levine wrote:
I'm surprised a 737 can fly for 7 hours without refueling. What ****ty budget
airline was dishing them up for long haul? Let us know so we can avoid it.

It's the 737-700ER, with a range of 5,630 nm. That's enough to get
from London to anywhere in the continental US.

Not I suspect if you include fuel safety margins.

It depends on the wind and the loading. LHR-LAX is 4741 nm, so well within
the nominal range, but if the 737 has max payload and there's the usual
headwind, it may be insufficient.

I suppose, but since the last third of the flight is over southern
Canada and the US, there'd be plenty of places to land and refuel if
need be.

True, it wouldn't be unsafe, but if headwinds are going to add an hour to
the flight, and if the plane is fully loaded (and therefore unable to carry
max fuel), they might as well plan a tech stop.

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 20:05:19 on Thu, 19 Jan 2017,
tim... remarked:

If anyone's at a loose end next week there's a 48-seat A319 corporate
jet
flying Sydney to Lisbon next week, for an 'up to 75% off' price of
EUR110,000.

I'm guessing that's the fuel and crew cost.

so a full price of close to half a million

Actually the list price for that flight is EUR 876,550 and it's an "empty
leg". So someone else must have hired it one-way the opposite direction.

oh for the whole plane load

I thought you were quoting a per seat price (like the one that started this
thread)

tim

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

In message , at 22:35:29 on Fri, 20 Jan
2017, tim... remarked:
If anyone's at a loose end next week there's a 48-seat A319
corporate jet
flying Sydney to Lisbon next week, for an 'up to 75% off' price of
EUR110,000.

I'm guessing that's the fuel and crew cost.

so a full price of close to half a million

Actually the list price for that flight is EUR 876,550 and it's an
"empty leg". So someone else must have hired it one-way the opposite
direction.

oh for the whole plane load

I thought you were quoting a per seat price (like the one that started
this thread)

Seriously? You think it costs twenty million to hire a plane for a day!

They cost "only" $90m new.
--
Roland Perry

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 11:58:30 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 22:35:29 on Fri, 20 Jan
2017, tim... remarked:
If anyone's at a loose end next week there's a 48-seat A319
corporate jet
flying Sydney to Lisbon next week, for an 'up to 75% off' price of
EUR110,000.

I'm guessing that's the fuel and crew cost.

so a full price of close to half a million

Actually the list price for that flight is EUR 876,550 and it's an
"empty leg". So someone else must have hired it one-way the opposite
direction.

oh for the whole plane load

I thought you were quoting a per seat price (like the one that started
this thread)

Seriously? You think it costs twenty million to hire a plane for a day!

They cost "only" $90m new.

Probably a lot less than that in reality: nobody pays the list price
for planes.

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

In message , at 12:10:52 on
Sat, 21 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked:

If anyone's at a loose end next week there's a 48-seat A319
corporate jet
flying Sydney to Lisbon next week, for an 'up to 75% off' price of
EUR110,000.

I'm guessing that's the fuel and crew cost.

so a full price of close to half a million

Actually the list price for that flight is EUR 876,550 and it's an
"empty leg". So someone else must have hired it one-way the opposite
direction.

oh for the whole plane load

I thought you were quoting a per seat price (like the one that started
this thread)

Seriously? You think it costs twenty million to hire a plane for a day!

They cost "only" $90m new.

Probably a lot less than that in reality: nobody pays the list price
for planes.

I thought most were leased.
--
Roland Perry

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:06:09 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 12:10:52 on
Sat, 21 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked:

If anyone's at a loose end next week there's a 48-seat A319
corporate jet
flying Sydney to Lisbon next week, for an 'up to 75% off' price of
EUR110,000.

I'm guessing that's the fuel and crew cost.

so a full price of close to half a million

Actually the list price for that flight is EUR 876,550 and it's an
"empty leg". So someone else must have hired it one-way the opposite
direction.

oh for the whole plane load

I thought you were quoting a per seat price (like the one that started
this thread)

Seriously? You think it costs twenty million to hire a plane for a day!

They cost "only" $90m new.

Probably a lot less than that in reality: nobody pays the list price
for planes.

I thought most were leased.

Many are, but in which case the leasing company (quite possibly based
in Ireland) paid much less than the list price.

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 22:35:29 on Fri, 20 Jan 2017,
tim... remarked:
If anyone's at a loose end next week there's a 48-seat A319 corporate
jet
flying Sydney to Lisbon next week, for an 'up to 75% off' price of
EUR110,000.

I'm guessing that's the fuel and crew cost.

so a full price of close to half a million

Actually the list price for that flight is EUR 876,550 and it's an
"empty leg". So someone else must have hired it one-way the opposite
direction.

oh for the whole plane load

I thought you were quoting a per seat price (like the one that started
this thread)

Seriously? You think it costs twenty million to hire a plane for a day!

I didn't really think about it

and in any case didn't know how many seats it had

it could have been 6

tim

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:41:38 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:



"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 22:35:29 on Fri, 20 Jan 2017,
tim... remarked:
If anyone's at a loose end next week there's a 48-seat A319 corporate
jet
flying Sydney to Lisbon next week, for an 'up to 75% off' price of
EUR110,000.

I'm guessing that's the fuel and crew cost.

so a full price of close to half a million

Actually the list price for that flight is EUR 876,550 and it's an
"empty leg". So someone else must have hired it one-way the opposite
direction.

oh for the whole plane load

I thought you were quoting a per seat price (like the one that started
this thread)

Seriously? You think it costs twenty million to hire a plane for a day!

I didn't really think about it

and in any case didn't know how many seats it had

it could have been 6

The text you quoted said it had 48 seats.

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:41:38 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:



"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 22:35:29 on Fri, 20 Jan
2017,
tim... remarked:
If anyone's at a loose end next week there's a 48-seat A319
corporate
jet
flying Sydney to Lisbon next week, for an 'up to 75% off' price of
EUR110,000.

I'm guessing that's the fuel and crew cost.

so a full price of close to half a million

Actually the list price for that flight is EUR 876,550 and it's an
"empty leg". So someone else must have hired it one-way the opposite
direction.

oh for the whole plane load

I thought you were quoting a per seat price (like the one that started
this thread)

Seriously? You think it costs twenty million to hire a plane for a day!

I didn't really think about it

and in any case didn't know how many seats it had

it could have been 6

The text you quoted said it had 48 seats.

ok, i missed that as well :-(