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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:45:53 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:38:56 on Tue, 28 Feb
2017, d remarked:
My understanding is that current Oyster cards will be dealt with as now,
newly issued Oyster cards will be contactless style.

Err, Oyster have been contactless since they were introduced.

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect a
contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of any
journeys made.

I wonder if one will be able to use it in shops? If not there seems to be
scarcely any difference between that and a current auto top up.

--
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In message , at 09:56:02 on Tue, 28 Feb
2017, d remarked:
My understanding is that current Oyster cards will be dealt with as now,
newly issued Oyster cards will be contactless style.

Err, Oyster have been contactless since they were introduced.

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect a
contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of any
journeys made.

I wonder if one will be able to use it in shops?

No, because it has zero credit on it.

If not there seems to be
scarcely any difference between that and a current auto top up.

And also only extracts a day's travel each time, not £20/£40.
--
Roland Perry

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On 2017-02-28 09:45:53 +0000, Roland Perry said:

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect a
contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of
any journeys made.

Whatever would be the point in that? That would be duplicating the
function of a contactless debit card.

What it will do is store credit, but will do so on a back-end online
system rather than the card, the latter being simple RFID.

Neil
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On 2017-02-28 09:56:02 +0000, d said:

I wonder if one will be able to use it in shops?

No, because it would bring TfL under banking regulation - that's why
present Oyster isn't either.

Neil
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:56:02 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:45:53 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:38:56 on Tue, 28 Feb
2017, d remarked:
My understanding is that current Oyster cards will be dealt with as now,
newly issued Oyster cards will be contactless style.

Err, Oyster have been contactless since they were introduced.

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect a
contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of any
journeys made.

I wonder if one will be able to use it in shops? If not there seems to be
scarcely any difference between that and a current auto top up.

It allows TfL to do things like weekly capping that the current Oyster
cards can't do.

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In message , at 11:25:18 on Tue, 28 Feb
2017, Neil Williams remarked:

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect
a contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of
any journeys made.

Whatever would be the point in that? That would be duplicating the
function of a contactless debit card.

Some people are averse to contactless credit cards, because they
perceive a security risk (or at the very least a lot of hassle sorting
out security breaches), others don't have them either because of their
personal status, or the type of bank account.

What it will do is store credit, but will do so on a back-end online
system rather than the card, the latter being simple RFID.

Then it's not really at all "like a contactless credit/debit card".
--
Roland Perry

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 09:38:56 on Tue, 28 Feb
2017, d remarked:

What's changing in 2018?
Oyster will become like Contactless so presumably they have to find
a way to deal with railcard discounts in the back office system.

Why are they spending money on a fast pickup feature when the need
for one will be gone in a year's time?


My understanding is that current Oyster cards will be dealt with as now,
newly issued Oyster cards will be contactless style.

Err, Oyster have been contactless since they were introduced.

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect
a contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of
any journeys made.

It won't necessarily use a bank account because Oyster is not restricted to
people who have bank accounts.

I presume the balance information will be held in the back office system
rather than in the chip on the card. As I said earlier, I presume this means
that railcard information will be held in the back office system after 2018
instead of on the card now.

In other words, the difference between Oyster and what is currently called
"Contactless" is that the latter has no data written to and stored on the
cards while Oyster does.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 09:56:02 on Tue, 28 Feb
2017, d remarked:
My understanding is that current Oyster cards will be dealt with as
now, newly issued Oyster cards will be contactless style.

Err, Oyster have been contactless since they were introduced.

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect a
contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of any
journeys made.

I wonder if one will be able to use it in shops?

No, because it has zero credit on it.

Oyster cards do have credit on them and will continue to have in 2018. It's
just, AIUI, where the information as to the amount of credit is held that
will change, from the card itself to the back office system.

As others have said, there are unrelated reasons why the credit can't be
used in shops.

If not there seems to be
scarcely any difference between that and a current auto top up.

And also only extracts a day's travel each time, not £20/£40.

Maybe that won't change either.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(David Walters) wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:56:02 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:45:53 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:38:56 on Tue, 28 Feb
2017, d remarked:
My understanding is that current Oyster cards will be dealt with as
now, newly issued Oyster cards will be contactless style.

Err, Oyster have been contactless since they were introduced.

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect a
contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of
any journeys made.

I wonder if one will be able to use it in shops? If not there seems
to be scarcely any difference between that and a current auto top up.

It allows TfL to do things like weekly capping that the current Oyster
cards can't do.

While that is true it's also moving with the technology. If each card is in
effect just a token, with all the data held centrally, the scope for all
sorts of failure modes is reduced. When Oyster started continuous
communication to readers wasn't practical. It is now.

Communications is a very fast-developing field, as I've seen in a past
career in the field.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 11:25:18 on Tue, 28
Feb 2017, Neil Williams remarked:

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect
a contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of
any journeys made.

Whatever would be the point in that? That would be duplicating the
function of a contactless debit card.

Some people are averse to contactless credit cards, because they
perceive a security risk (or at the very least a lot of hassle
sorting out security breaches), others don't have them either because
of their personal status, or the type of bank account.

What it will do is store credit, but will do so on a back-end online
system rather than the card, the latter being simple RFID.

Then it's not really at all "like a contactless credit/debit card".

They will be handled at the readers in the same way unlike now. So the need
for readers to write to cards will cease.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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On 2017-02-28 11:46:08 +0000, Roland Perry said:

Then it's not really at all "like a contactless credit/debit card".

It will be *processed using the same system*. The intention is that it
will be used the same way as an Oyster presently is.

Neil
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On 2017-02-28 13:38:36 +0000, said:

And also only extracts a day's travel each time, not £20/£40.

Maybe that won't change either.

I doubt it will, duplicating functionality of contactless debit cards
is totally pointless. The Oyster offering is different and may as well
remain different.

Neil
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:38:36 -0600
wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:
No, because it has zero credit on it.

Oyster cards do have credit on them and will continue to have in 2018. It's
just, AIUI, where the information as to the amount of credit is held that
will change, from the card itself to the back office system.

With a consequent slowdown at the gates. Just what's needed in a busy system.
Contactless are already slower than Oyster, this won't improve gate throughput
at all.

--
Spud

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In message , at 14:50:52 on Tue, 28
Feb 2017, Neil Williams remarked:

Then it's not really at all "like a contactless credit/debit card".

It will be *processed using the same system*. The intention is that it
will be used the same way as an Oyster presently is.

Colin very plausibly says not. The records of travel and balance being
held in the backoffice rather than on the card is a substantial
difference.
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On 2017-02-28 15:56:04 +0000, Roland Perry said:

In message , at 14:50:52 on Tue, 28
Feb 2017, Neil Williams remarked:

Then it's not really at all "like a contactless credit/debit card".

It will be *processed using the same system*. The intention is that it
will be used the same way as an Oyster presently is.

Colin very plausibly says not. The records of travel and balance being
held in the backoffice rather than on the card is a substantial
difference.

You misunderstand.

It will work *exactly the same way* as Oyster as far as the passenger
is concerned. Put money on, auto-top-up if desired, spend it by
travelling.

It will however be back-office processed using the contactless system.

Neil
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In article , d () wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:38:36 -0600
wrote:
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:
No, because it has zero credit on it.

Oyster cards do have credit on them and will continue to have in 2018.
It's just, AIUI, where the information as to the amount of credit is held
that will change, from the card itself to the back office system.

With a consequent slowdown at the gates. Just what's needed in a busy
system. Contactless are already slower than Oyster, this won't improve
gate throughput at all.

Don't assume the gate processing won't get faster. Haven't you heard of
Moore's Law?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2017-02-28 15:56:04 +0000, Roland Perry said:

In message , at 14:50:52 on Tue,
28 Feb 2017, Neil Williams
remarked:

Then it's not really at all "like a contactless credit/debit card".

It will be *processed using the same system*. The intention is
that it will be used the same way as an Oyster presently is.

Colin very plausibly says not. The records of travel and balance
being held in the backoffice rather than on the card is a
substantial difference.

You misunderstand.

It will work *exactly the same way* as Oyster as far as the passenger
is concerned. Put money on, auto-top-up if desired, spend it by
travelling.

It will however be back-office processed using the contactless system.

But facilities that can't be handled by Oyster cards now, like weekly
capping and the different way that daily capping is implemented, will change
to work the same way as Contactless does now.

Hence my question about a facility that Oyster can handle but Contactless
can't now, giving railcard discounts. If eligibility for the discount is
going to move from the card to the back office, I can see no good reason why
the same should not happen for Contactless.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 28/02/2017 16:58, wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:38:36 -0600
wrote:
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:
No, because it has zero credit on it.

Oyster cards do have credit on them and will continue to have in 2018.
It's just, AIUI, where the information as to the amount of credit is held
that will change, from the card itself to the back office system.

With a consequent slowdown at the gates. Just what's needed in a busy
system. Contactless are already slower than Oyster, this won't improve
gate throughput at all.

Don't assume the gate processing won't get faster. Haven't you heard of
Moore's Law?

Moore's law has nothing to do with the speed of communications which
seems to be the limiting factor here - for Oyster the reader reads it,
calculated what needs to be applied and writes it, for Contactless it
reads it, and I believe checks with the back end before allowing it, or
if it doesn't the delay is to do with waking up the NFC chip and
carrying out the relevant authentication steps - again nothing to do
with Moore's law.

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On 28/02/2017 09:56, d wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:45:53 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:38:56 on Tue, 28 Feb
2017, d remarked:
My understanding is that current Oyster cards will be dealt with as now,
newly issued Oyster cards will be contactless style.

Err, Oyster have been contactless since they were introduced.

I read the comment as meaning the "new" Oyster card will be in effect a
contactless pre-paid credit card with zero credit loaded, but an
arrangement to auto-topup from a bank account by the exact amount of any
journeys made.

I wonder if one will be able to use it in shops?

Probably not, for all the TfL-not-being-a-bank reasons that Oyster can't
be used in shops.

If not there seems to be
scarcely any difference between that and a current auto top up.

It will allow the processing to be done in the back-office, so cleverer
stuff can be done with account-based fare capping, railcards, discounts etc.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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In article , (Someone
Somewhere) wrote:

On 28/02/2017 16:58, wrote:
In article , d ()
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:38:36 -0600
wrote:
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:
No, because it has zero credit on it.

Oyster cards do have credit on them and will continue to have in 2018.
It's just, AIUI, where the information as to the amount of credit is
held that will change, from the card itself to the back office system.

With a consequent slowdown at the gates. Just what's needed in a busy
system. Contactless are already slower than Oyster, this won't improve
gate throughput at all.

Don't assume the gate processing won't get faster. Haven't you heard of
Moore's Law?

Moore's law has nothing to do with the speed of communications which
seems to be the limiting factor here - for Oyster the reader reads
it, calculated what needs to be applied and writes it, for
Contactless it reads it, and I believe checks with the back end
before allowing it, or if it doesn't the delay is to do with waking
up the NFC chip and carrying out the relevant authentication steps -
again nothing to do with Moore's law.

Everything to do with it, I can assure you.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 28/02/2017 18:37, wrote:
In article , (Someone
Somewhere) wrote:

On 28/02/2017 16:58, wrote:
In article , d ()
wrote:

Don't assume the gate processing won't get faster. Haven't you heard of
Moore's Law?

Moore's law has nothing to do with the speed of communications which
seems to be the limiting factor here - for Oyster the reader reads
it, calculated what needs to be applied and writes it, for
Contactless it reads it, and I believe checks with the back end
before allowing it, or if it doesn't the delay is to do with waking
up the NFC chip and carrying out the relevant authentication steps -
again nothing to do with Moore's law.

Everything to do with it, I can assure you.

Really? That the time to deal with either an Oyster or Contactless card
is lower bounded due in signficant part to either CPU cycles or die size?

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In message , at 10:58:38
on Tue, 28 Feb 2017, remarked:
No, because it has zero credit on it.

Oyster cards do have credit on them and will continue to have in 2018.
It's just, AIUI, where the information as to the amount of credit is held
that will change, from the card itself to the back office system.

With a consequent slowdown at the gates. Just what's needed in a busy
system. Contactless are already slower than Oyster, this won't improve
gate throughput at all.

Don't assume the gate processing won't get faster. Haven't you heard of
Moore's Law?

Currently chips have transistors about 50 atoms across. Get much
smaller, and quantum effects start to kick in. And heat dissipation
is a huge issue. Moore's Law is slowing down.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 16:23:16 on Tue, 28
Feb 2017, Neil Williams remarked:

It will work *exactly the same way* as Oyster as far as the passenger
is concerned. Put money on, auto-top-up if desired, spend it by
travelling.

If that's the case then "Oyster will become like Contactless" is
meaningless, if the passenger can't perceive a difference (other than
the slower gate-opening).
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Roland Perry

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On 2017-03-01 08:37:28 +0000, Roland Perry said:

In message , at 16:23:16 on Tue, 28
Feb 2017, Neil Williams remarked:

It will work *exactly the same way* as Oyster as far as the passenger
is concerned. Put money on, auto-top-up if desired, spend it by
travelling.

If that's the case then "Oyster will become like Contactless" is
meaningless, if the passenger can't perceive a difference (other than
the slower gate-opening).

It's not meaningless, because the back-end is changing.

Neil
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In message , at 08:44:37 on Wed, 1 Mar
2017, Neil Williams remarked:

It will work *exactly the same way* as Oyster as far as the
passenger is concerned. Put money on, auto-top-up if desired, spend
it by travelling.

If that's the case then "Oyster will become like Contactless" is
meaningless, if the passenger can't perceive a difference (other than
the slower gate-opening).

It's not meaningless, because the back-end is changing.

OK, so the change is one that's only perceived by TfL, whereas the
passenger will see no change? Is that what you think it means.
--
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One change will be that PAYG balances will no longer be displayed at the gateline or bus reader
(although low balance warnings might be pushed to gatelines and bus readers) which is one reason
why TfL want their own app up and running.

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 09:21:10 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
00:45:50 on Wed, 1 Mar 2017, remarked:
On Sunday, 26 February 2017 17:27:52 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
Only because they are young and dumb. Payback will be inevitable and
painful. We are, after all, less than ten years into this new era, and
the dust has barely had time to settle.

There is a big difference when *everybody* has some sort of photo or
social media posts from their past that they would be embarrassed
about, though. At that point, it won't be "what a pillock" but rather
it will be a "there but for the grace of god go I".

Maybe, but you need to wait until today's University students are senior
managers.

I'm not so sure about that. After all, *this* is social media, albeit text
only and anyone who knows anything about usenet could track down a load of
information about us on here. And even though I use an alias I know its not
foolproof and if someone wanted to find out who I was then with a bit of
effort they could and then they'll know all my views which may or may not be
a good fit with Acme Plc or whoever. Luckily usenet is off the radar to most
people these days but its not 100% guaranteed especially when applying for
jobs with IT companies.

--
Spud

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 01:40:04 -0800 (PST)
Matthew Dickinson wrote:
One change will be that PAYG balances will no longer be displayed at the
gateline or bus reader
(although low balance warnings might be pushed to gatelines and bus readers)
which is one reason
why TfL want their own app up and running.

So they're removing an extremely useful piece of functionality? Seriously?
Doesn't surprise me given the ticket office closures. TfL seems to be
increasingly running things for the convenience of itself rather than the
passenger.

--
Spud

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On 2017-03-01 10:19:02 +0000, d said:

So they're removing an extremely useful piece of functionality? Seriously?
Doesn't surprise me given the ticket office closures. TfL seems to be
increasingly running things for the convenience of itself rather than the
passenger.

There will be advantages - weekly capping for one, not having to "pick
up" travel products another.

Neil
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In message , at 09:43:29 on Wed, 1 Mar
2017, d remarked:

Only because they are young and dumb. Payback will be inevitable and
painful. We are, after all, less than ten years into this new era, and
the dust has barely had time to settle.

There is a big difference when *everybody* has some sort of photo or
social media posts from their past that they would be embarrassed
about, though. At that point, it won't be "what a pillock" but rather
it will be a "there but for the grace of god go I".

Maybe, but you need to wait until today's University students are senior
managers.

I'm not so sure about that. After all, *this* is social media, albeit text
only and anyone who knows anything about usenet could track down a load of
information about us on here.

Yes, it is, and they could.

And even though I use an alias I know its not foolproof and if someone
wanted to find out who I was then with a bit of effort they could and
then they'll know all my views which may or may not be a good fit with
Acme Plc or whoever. Luckily usenet is off the radar to most people
these days but its not 100% guaranteed especially when applying for
jobs with IT companies.

Which proves my point - until senior managers take an attitude of "there
but for the grace of god go I" regarding over-exuberant Usenet postings,
there is a risk. And despite Usenet being more widespread since the
eternal september, I don't think many senior managers have reached that
yet.
--
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In message , at
01:40:04 on Wed, 1 Mar 2017, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:

One change will be that PAYG balances will no longer be displayed at the gateline or bus reader
(although low balance warnings might be pushed to gatelines and bus readers) which is one reason
why TfL want their own app up and running.

That's verging on the unacceptable. But conforms with my general theory
that new technology almost always introduces obstacles/drawbacks of its
very own, that were not in the previous revision.

My own classic Oyster occasionally flashes up a message about "your card
is about to expire", or something similar (if they want people to read
it they should display it longer). But it isn't, and the next gateline
won't repeat it. Mystery glitch perhaps.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 10:22:55 on Wed, 1 Mar
2017, Neil Williams remarked:

So they're removing an extremely useful piece of functionality? Seriously?
Doesn't surprise me given the ticket office closures. TfL seems to be
increasingly running things for the convenience of itself rather than the
passenger.

There will be advantages - weekly capping for one, not having to "pick
up" travel products another.

OK, so now we *have* found some features where the new Oyster card's
operation is different from the passenger's perception. I'm getting a
headache.
--
Roland Perry

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:22:55 +0000
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-03-01 10:19:02 +0000, d said:

So they're removing an extremely useful piece of functionality? Seriously?
Doesn't surprise me given the ticket office closures. TfL seems to be
increasingly running things for the convenience of itself rather than the
passenger.

There will be advantages - weekly capping for one, not having to "pick
up" travel products another.

Weekly capping doesn't help me if I find out too late I don't have enough
credit to make a journey when I could have topped up in a quiet time and now
have to go and queue in the rush hour.

Not sure what you're referring to with travel products.

--
Spud

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:33:01 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
My own classic Oyster occasionally flashes up a message about "your card
is about to expire", or something similar (if they want people to read
it they should display it longer). But it isn't, and the next gateline
won't repeat it. Mystery glitch perhaps.

That appears to be a bug with some of the gate software. The FOI obtained
copy of Ticketing & Revenue Update that started this thread has a Q&A
about it on page 13.

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On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 12:26:27 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
02:46:10 on Wed, 1 Mar 2017, remarked:

With the iPhone only being launched in 2007, and that itself being a
game-changer, I'm not convinced that Facebook as a medium for sharing
naked selfies and tales of drunken nights out was happening as early as
you suggest.

I've just checked my own facebook profile. It looks like I was mis-remembering slightly. My circle of friends from the time (I was a graduate student in those days) started joining in early 2006 (February and March), although I didn't actually sign up until summer 2006. Pretty much the only thing on any of our timelines for 2006 were invitations to, tales about and photographs of drunken nights out. The first I appeared in was 19 September 2006. Nothing too outrageous in my case, certainly nothing I'd be too worried about, say, my mum seeing.

Robin

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In message , at
04:49:30 on Wed, 1 Mar 2017, remarked:
With the iPhone only being launched in 2007, and that itself being a
game-changer, I'm not convinced that Facebook as a medium for sharing
naked selfies and tales of drunken nights out was happening as early as
you suggest.

I've just checked my own facebook profile. It looks like I was
mis-remembering slightly. My circle of friends from the time (I was a
graduate student in those days) started joining in early 2006 (February
and March), although I didn't actually sign up until summer 2006.
Pretty much the only thing on any of our timelines for 2006 were
invitations to, tales about and photographs of drunken nights out. The
first I appeared in was 19 September 2006. Nothing too outrageous in
my case, certainly nothing I'd be too worried about, say, my mum seeing.

Must be a local thing. The University Students I talked to around then
complained about being forced to join Facebook against their will
because Lecturers and Supervisors had taken to it as [the sole] way to
distribute schedules and course material.

I suppose this was ahead of the Universities setting up their own
Intranet based versions of the same thing.
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On 2017-03-01 10:35:17 +0000, d said:

Not sure what you're referring to with travel products.

Prepurchased time-based tickets bought online, like period Travelcards.
Though I suppose if you added a monthly cap you could do away with
them.

Neil
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In article , (Someone
Somewhere) wrote:

On 28/02/2017 18:37, wrote:
In article , (Someone
Somewhere) wrote:

On 28/02/2017 16:58, wrote:
In article , d ()
wrote:

Don't assume the gate processing won't get faster. Haven't you heard
of Moore's Law?

Moore's law has nothing to do with the speed of communications which
seems to be the limiting factor here - for Oyster the reader reads
it, calculated what needs to be applied and writes it, for
Contactless it reads it, and I believe checks with the back end
before allowing it, or if it doesn't the delay is to do with waking
up the NFC chip and carrying out the relevant authentication steps
-
again nothing to do with Moore's law.

Everything to do with it, I can assure you.

Really? That the time to deal with either an Oyster or Contactless
card is lower bounded due in signficant part to either CPU cycles or
die size?

All aspects of the system affect processing speed.

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Colin Rosenstiel

Oyster product pickup improvements
 

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 09:37:46 -0600
wrote:
In article , (Someone
Somewhere) wrote:
Really? That the time to deal with either an Oyster or Contactless
card is lower bounded due in signficant part to either CPU cycles or
die size?

All aspects of the system affect processing speed.

Ultimately though, a networked systems is constrained by the speed of data
on a copper wire or fibre optic cable and thats capped by physics.

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Spud

Oyster product pickup improvements
 

On 01/03/2017 09:21, Roland Perry wrote:

If you want to discuss "early adopters of social media" instead,
then my view is that Facebook moved out of the early adopter phase
in 2009. I joined Facebook in June 2007.

When I was a student, c.1999 someone I vaguely knew set up a website
where people could upload newfangled digital photos relatively easily,
label their mates in them and generally cyberstalk people. If only I'd
given him a few quid to develop the idea further and introduce it to a
wider public...

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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK