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Oyster product pickup improvements
From this April it should be possible to pick up online Oyster purchases within 30 minutes, and without having to nominate a particular station. It will also be possible to pick up purchases on buses.
TfL are also planning to introduce an Oyster app to complement this improvement. Details are at: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...20Redacted.pdf |
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wrote on 24 Feb 2017 at 07:40 ...
In article , (Matthew Dickinson) wrote: From this April it should be possible to pick up online Oyster purchases within 30 minutes, and without having to nominate a particular station. It will also be possible to pick up purchases on buses. TfL are also planning to introduce an Oyster app to complement this improvement. Details are at: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...41160/attach/3 /Issue%2095%20Redacted.pdf Hooray! The current rules are an utter pain for infrequent out-of-London users like me. I got caught out by the evening deadline too once, topping up for a planned journey the next day. Living in Cambridge I can't even be sure where I'll start an Oyster journey. If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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"Richard J." wrote:
If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. Perhaps. I received a small post journey credit on a couple of Oyster cards that apparently exceeded the daily cap one day. I nominated Edgware station thinking I'd be back there soon, but haven't made it yet and haven't been concerned enough to change the nomination. |
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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 24 Feb 2017 at 07:40 ... In article , (Matthew Dickinson) wrote: From this April it should be possible to pick up online Oyster purchases within 30 minutes, and without having to nominate a particular station. It will also be possible to pick up purchases on buses. TfL are also planning to introduce an Oyster app to complement this improvement. Details are at: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ttach/3/Issue% 2095%20Redacted.pdf Hooray! The current rules are an utter pain for infrequent out-of-London users like me. I got caught out by the evening deadline too once, topping up for a planned journey the next day. Living in Cambridge I can't even be sure where I'll start an Oyster journey. If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't use Oyster enough to justify lending TfL so much money. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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wrote in message ... In article , (Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 24 Feb 2017 at 07:40 ... In article , (Matthew Dickinson) wrote: From this April it should be possible to pick up online Oyster purchases within 30 minutes, and without having to nominate a particular station. It will also be possible to pick up purchases on buses. TfL are also planning to introduce an Oyster app to complement this improvement. Details are at: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ttach/3/Issue% 2095%20Redacted.pdf Hooray! The current rules are an utter pain for infrequent out-of-London users like me. I got caught out by the evening deadline too once, topping up for a planned journey the next day. Living in Cambridge I can't even be sure where I'll start an Oyster journey. If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't use Oyster enough to justify lending TfL so much money. me neither the auto-top-up that works for me is 5 pounds added when it goes below 5 pounds tim -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , (tim...)
wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 24 Feb 2017 at 07:40 ... In article , (Matthew Dickinson) wrote: From this April it should be possible to pick up online Oyster purchases within 30 minutes, and without having to nominate a particular station. It will also be possible to pick up purchases on buses. TfL are also planning to introduce an Oyster app to complement this improvement. Details are at: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ttach/3/Issue% 2095%20Redacted.pdf Hooray! The current rules are an utter pain for infrequent out-of-London users like me. I got caught out by the evening deadline too once,topping up for a planned journey the next day. Living in Cambridge I can't even be sure where I'll start an Oyster journey. If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't use Oyster enough to justify lending TfL so much money. me neither the auto-top-up that works for me is 5 pounds added when it goes below 5 pounds My balance is almost always below £5. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In message , at 10:31:05 on Sat, 25 Feb
2017, tim... remarked: If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't use Oyster enough to justify lending TfL so much money. me neither the auto-top-up that works for me is 5 pounds added when it goes below 5 pounds Only £20 or £40 is available currently, and the trigger is £10. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2017-02-25 12:14:53 +0000, Roland Perry said:
Only £20 or £40 is available currently, and the trigger is £10. For anyone with a contactless card it's kind of losing its role anyway. I cashed all my Oysters in and now just use contactless. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 10:31:05 on Sat, 25 Feb 2017, tim... remarked: If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't use Oyster enough to justify lending TfL so much money. me neither the auto-top-up that works for me is 5 pounds added when it goes below 5 pounds Only £20 or £40 is available currently, and the trigger is £10. yes that's the point! tim |
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In message , at 13:01:52 on Sat, 25 Feb
2017, tim... remarked: the auto-top-up that works for me is 5 pounds added when it goes below 5 pounds Only £20 or £40 is available currently, and the trigger is £10. yes that's the point! How can a £5 auto-topup work for you when it doesn't exist? -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 13:01:52 on Sat, 25 Feb 2017, tim... remarked: the auto-top-up that works for me is 5 pounds added when it goes below 5 pounds Only £20 or £40 is available currently, and the trigger is £10. yes that's the point! How can a £5 auto-topup work for you when it doesn't exist? there's nothing in my post that says it exists tim |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:47:25 +0000
Neil Williams wrote: On 2017-02-25 12:14:53 +0000, Roland Perry said: Only £20 or £40 is available currently, and the trigger is £10. For anyone with a contactless card it's kind of losing its role anyway. I cashed all my Oysters in and now just use contactless. Gotta love contactless. Chip and pin arrives - there being a damn good reason for the PIN - then the banks decide they'll get more transactions if they remove the PIN and pretend its not really needed after all. So why do I need one if I put the card in the slot but not if I use contactless? What exactly is the qualitative difference? Answer: there isn't one. But the banks have convinced suckers theres no security risk with contactless. Ah well, you can't educate pork. Must be a field day for card thieves. -- Spud |
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(Neil Williams) wrote: On 2017-02-25 18:59:08 +0000, d said: Gotta love contactless. Chip and pin arrives - there being a damn good reason for the PIN - then the banks decide they'll get more transactions if they remove the PIN and pretend its not really needed after all. So why do I need one if I put the card in the slot but not if I use contactless? What exactly is the qualitative difference? Answer: there isn't one. There's a *quantitative* difference, namely the £30 cap, and the fact that if you do more than N transactions in a row the PIN will be called for. Yes, thieves could nick a wallet and go around spending about 5 x £30 (£150) with it before they had issues. But that's not going to, er, break the bank. And if it did happen, the end customer is not liable. It's basically making cards more of an effective replacement for cash, and I encourage that, as cash is a faff (and encourages the black market etc). While I agree with you, would a contactless card be declined at a TfL gateline for lack of a PIN? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:16:49 +0000
Neil Williams wrote: On 2017-02-25 18:59:08 +0000, d said: Gotta love contactless. Chip and pin arrives - there being a damn good reason for the PIN - then the banks decide they'll get more transactions if they remove the PIN and pretend its not really needed after all. So why do I need one if I put the card in the slot but not if I use contactless? What exactly is the qualitative difference? Answer: there isn't one. There's a *quantitative* difference, namely the £30 cap, and the fact that if you do more than N transactions in a row the PIN will be called for. For various values of N. Yes, thieves could nick a wallet and go around spending about 5 x £30 (£150) with it before they had issues. But that's not going to, er, break the bank. And if it did happen, the end customer is not liable. Oh sure. All you have to do is get a crime number from plod then sit on an 0845 number going through half a dozen menus to eventually get through to some gimp from india who you need to convince that you're not trying to commit fraud. And then you might get your money back next week. Great so long as you don't need it in the meantime. It's basically making cards more of an effective replacement for cash, and I encourage that, as cash is a faff (and encourages the black market etc). In what universe is cash a faff?? -- Spud |
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wrote on 25 Feb 2017 at 02:29 ...
In article , (Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 24 Feb 2017 at 07:40 ... In article , (Matthew Dickinson) wrote: From this April it should be possible to pick up online Oyster purchases within 30 minutes, and without having to nominate a particular station. It will also be possible to pick up purchases on buses. TfL are also planning to introduce an Oyster app to complement this improvement. Details are at: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ttach/3/Issue% 2095%20Redacted.pdf Hooray! The current rules are an utter pain for infrequent out-of-London users like me. I got caught out by the evening deadline too once, topping up for a planned journey the next day. Living in Cambridge I can't even be sure where I'll start an Oyster journey. If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't use Oyster enough to justify lending TfL so much money. But if "the current rules are an utter pain", there must be some value in a scheme which avoids the pain. So how much interest would you lose by lending TfL £20? Isn't it worth it to avoid the utter pain? -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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In article , (Clive Page)
wrote: On 25/02/2017 19:39, wrote: That's fine until you get a railcard. Then the only way to get the railcard discount is to use Oyster, until 2018 at least. What's changing in 2018? Oyster will become like Contactless so presumably they have to find a way to deal with railcard discounts in the back office system. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 25 Feb 2017 at 02:29 ... In article , (Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 24 Feb 2017 at 07:40 ... In article , (Matthew Dickinson) wrote: From this April it should be possible to pick up online Oyster purchases within 30 minutes, and without having to nominate a particular station. It will also be possible to pick up purchases on buses. TfL are also planning to introduce an Oyster app to complement this improvement. Details are at: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...60/attach/3/Is sue%2095%20Redacted.pdf Hooray! The current rules are an utter pain for infrequent out-of-London users like me. I got caught out by the evening deadline too once, topping up for a planned journey the next day. Living in Cambridge I can't even be sure where I'll start an Oyster journey. If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't use Oyster enough to justify lending TfL so much money. But if "the current rules are an utter pain", there must be some value in a scheme which avoids the pain. So how much interest would you lose by lending TfL £20? Isn't it worth it to avoid the utter pain? They rules are not that difficult to work around, especially now I go to King's Cross so much less. I used to have to ensure I kept a balance big enough to get through the gates there to avoid the hideous queues at the ticket machines. It's just easier to top up from the comfort of my home though. More often than not I have my bike with me and don't use the tube. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In message , at 17:18:33 on Sat, 25 Feb
2017, tim... remarked: the auto-top-up that works for me is 5 pounds added when it goes below 5 pounds Only £20 or £40 is available currently, and the trigger is £10. yes that's the point! How can a £5 auto-topup work for you when it doesn't exist? there's nothing in my post that says it exists your saying "works", rather than "would work". -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 21:37:12 on Sat, 25
Feb 2017, Richard J. remarked: But if "the current rules are an utter pain", there must be some value in a scheme which avoids the pain. So how much interest would you lose by lending TfL £20? Isn't it worth it to avoid the utter pain? I top up my Oyster manually when it gets to about £2. The only use I have for it is two Z1 singles. The issue with pre-paid one-function cards is that you can easily end up with a lot of them. A provincial bus card being one example. It's like those coffee-shop cardboard loyalty cards - when I buy a coffee there's rarely a choice of vendor, so I'd need to be carrying around half a dozen cards all the time. -- Roland Perry |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:16:49 +0000, Neil Williams
wrote: On 2017-02-25 18:59:08 +0000, d said: Gotta love contactless. Chip and pin arrives - there being a damn good reason for the PIN - then the banks decide they'll get more transactions if they remove the PIN and pretend its not really needed after all. So why do I need one if I put the card in the slot but not if I use contactless? What exactly is the qualitative difference? Answer: there isn't one. There's a *quantitative* difference, namely the £30 cap, and the fact that if you do more than N transactions in a row the PIN will be called for. Yes, thieves could nick a wallet and go around spending about 5 x £30 (£150) with it before they had issues. But that's not going to, er, break the bank. And if it did happen, the end customer is not liable. It's basically making cards more of an effective replacement for cash, and I encourage that, as cash is a faff (and encourages the black market etc). Neil Cash is so simple and fast. Perhaps not as fast as contactless but I will not use contactless for lots of reasons. I have two such cards and hope, when they are replaced to get new cards without that dangerous and vulnerable feature. Do you and others that use traceable payments not value just a tiny bit of privacy? I have 4 credit cards (and a debit card) each used for very specific purposes so no one creditor knows all about me. Guy Gorton |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:16:49 +0000 Neil Williams wrote: On 2017-02-25 18:59:08 +0000, d said: Gotta love contactless. Chip and pin arrives - there being a damn good reason for the PIN - then the banks decide they'll get more transactions if they remove the PIN and pretend its not really needed after all. So why do I need one if I put the card in the slot but not if I use contactless? What exactly is the qualitative difference? Answer: there isn't one. There's a *quantitative* difference, namely the £30 cap, and the fact that if you do more than N transactions in a row the PIN will be called for. For various values of N. Yes, thieves could nick a wallet and go around spending about 5 x £30 (£150) with it before they had issues. But that's not going to, er, break the bank. And if it did happen, the end customer is not liable. Oh sure. All you have to do is get a crime number from plod Oh no you don't then sit on an 0845 number going through half a dozen menus to eventually get through to some gimp from india who you need to convince that you're not trying to commit fraud. And then you might get your money back next week. that's probably true :-( tim |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ... wrote on 25 Feb 2017 at 02:29 ... In article , (Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 24 Feb 2017 at 07:40 ... In article , (Matthew Dickinson) wrote: From this April it should be possible to pick up online Oyster purchases within 30 minutes, and without having to nominate a particular station. It will also be possible to pick up purchases on buses. TfL are also planning to introduce an Oyster app to complement this improvement. Details are at: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ttach/3/Issue% 2095%20Redacted.pdf Hooray! The current rules are an utter pain for infrequent out-of-London users like me. I got caught out by the evening deadline too once, topping up for a planned journey the next day. Living in Cambridge I can't even be sure where I'll start an Oyster journey. If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't use Oyster enough to justify lending TfL so much money. But if "the current rules are an utter pain", there must be some value in a scheme which avoids the pain. So how much interest would you lose by lending TfL £20? Isn't it worth it to avoid the utter pain? what pain is that going up to a machine and adding 5 pounds at the time that is convenient tim |
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On 2017-02-26 09:59:24 +0000, Guy Gorton said:
Cash is so simple and fast. Perhaps not as fast as contactless but I will not use contactless for lots of reasons. I have two such cards and hope, when they are replaced to get new cards without that dangerous and vulnerable feature. It is not a dangerous and vulnerable feature. It is in fact a lot less risky than having £150 cash in your wallet (the approximate most you can spend on a card without hitting a PIN check). But unlike £150 cash, if that happens you'll get the money back - the vendor loses out, not you. Do you and others that use traceable payments not value just a tiny bit of privacy? I have 4 credit cards (and a debit card) each used for very specific purposes so no one creditor knows all about me. I'm not very interesting, really (or rather my spending pattern isn't). FWIW, that expectation of privacy seems to reduce further still the younger people you speak to. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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On 2017-02-26 12:59:28 +0000, tim... said:
Oh sure. All you have to do is get a crime number from plod Oh no you don't then sit on an 0845 number going through half a dozen menus to eventually get through to some gimp from india who you need to convince that you're not trying to commit fraud. And then you might get your money back next week. that's probably true :-( I've been hit by (pre-C&P) card fraud twice. In both cases, it was the bank that pointed it out to me, by phoning and asking if I really did make certain transactions. I get an automated call like that every now and then if my spending pattern is in any way out of character. While if I have £100 in my wallet, and my wallet is nicked, my £100 is gone for good. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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In message , at 14:23:40 on Sun, 26
Feb 2017, Neil Williams remarked: Do you and others that use traceable payments not value just a tiny bit of privacy? I have 4 credit cards (and a debit card) each used for very specific purposes so no one creditor knows all about me. I'm not very interesting, really (or rather my spending pattern isn't). FWIW, that expectation of privacy seems to reduce further still the younger people you speak to. That's because they are young and dumb. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2017-02-26 15:18:40 +0000, Roland Perry said:
In message , at 14:23:40 on Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Neil Williams remarked: Do you and others that use traceable payments not value just a tiny bit of privacy? I have 4 credit cards (and a debit card) each used for very specific purposes so no one creditor knows all about me. I'm not very interesting, really (or rather my spending pattern isn't). FWIW, that expectation of privacy seems to reduce further still the younger people you speak to. That's because they are young and dumb. No, it's because attitudes are shifting. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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On 26/02/2017 01:03, wrote:
In article , (Clive Page) wrote: On 25/02/2017 19:39, wrote: That's fine until you get a railcard. Then the only way to get the railcard discount is to use Oyster, until 2018 at least. What's changing in 2018? Oyster will become like Contactless so presumably they have to find a way to deal with railcard discounts in the back office system. Isn't it more likely that they will get rid of the railcard discounts from Oyster cards as well? -- Clive Page |
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In article , (tim...)
wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... wrote on 25 Feb 2017 at 02:29 ... In article , (Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 24 Feb 2017 at 07:40 ... In article , (Matthew Dickinson) wrote: From this April it should be possible to pick up online Oyster purchases within 30 minutes, and without having to nominate a particular station. It will also be possible to pick up purchases on buses. TfL are also planning to introduce an Oyster app to complement this improvement. Details are at: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ttach/3/Issue% 2095%20Redacted.pdf Hooray! The current rules are an utter pain for infrequent out-of-London users like me. I got caught out by the evening deadline too once, topping up for a planned journey the next day. Living in Cambridge I can't even be sure where I'll start an Oyster journey. If you used Auto Top-up, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't use Oyster enough to justify lending TfL so much money. But if "the current rules are an utter pain", there must be some value in a scheme which avoids the pain. So how much interest would you lose by lending TfL £20? Isn't it worth it to avoid the utter pain? what pain is that going up to a machine and adding 5 pounds at the time that is convenient You're not familiar with the queues at machines at some stations? The only times that are convenient are the times when one is passing through the station. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , (Clive Page)
wrote: On 26/02/2017 01:03, wrote: In article , (Clive Page) wrote: On 25/02/2017 19:39, wrote: That's fine until you get a railcard. Then the only way to get the railcard discount is to use Oyster, until 2018 at least. What's changing in 2018? Oyster will become like Contactless so presumably they have to find a way to deal with railcard discounts in the back office system. Isn't it more likely that they will get rid of the railcard discounts from Oyster cards as well? I don't think the TOCs will let them. I think giving railcard discounts was a condition for extending Oyster to National Rail in London. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:59:24 +0000
Guy Gorton wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:16:49 +0000, Neil Williams It's basically making cards more of an effective replacement for cash, and I encourage that, as cash is a faff (and encourages the black market etc). Neil Cash is so simple and fast. Perhaps not as fast as contactless but I will not use contactless for lots of reasons. I have two such cards and hope, when they are replaced to get new cards without that dangerous and vulnerable feature. Contactless is easy to disable. Just cut horizontally for about 1.5cm inwards from the right hand side of the card. I've done it to all of mine so they'll be of little use if nicked plus it has the added bonus of me not having to drag my oyster card out of my wallet at every tube gate because of card clash. -- Spud |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 12:59:28 -0000
"tim..." wrote: wrote in message Oh sure. All you have to do is get a crime number from plod Oh no you don't I imagine it depends on the bank. Using someone elses card without permission is fraud and the police probably would want it reported anyway though perhaps some banks wouldn't. -- Spud |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:03:52 -0600,
wrote: In article , (Clive Page) wrote: What's changing in 2018? Oyster will become like Contactless so presumably they have to find a way to deal with railcard discounts in the back office system. Why are they spending money on a fast pickup feature when the need for one will be gone in a year's time? -- jhk |
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"Jarle Hammen Knudsen" wrote What's changing in 2018? Oyster will become like Contactless so presumably they have to find a way to deal with railcard discounts in the back office system. Why are they spending money on a fast pickup feature when the need for one will be gone in a year's time? My understanding is that current Oyster cards will be dealt with as now, newly issued Oyster cards will be contactless style. -- Mike D |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:21:38 -0000
"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote: "Jarle Hammen Knudsen" wrote What's changing in 2018? Oyster will become like Contactless so presumably they have to find a way to deal with railcard discounts in the back office system. Why are they spending money on a fast pickup feature when the need for one will be gone in a year's time? My understanding is that current Oyster cards will be dealt with as now, newly issued Oyster cards will be contactless style. Err, Oyster have been contactless since they were introduced. -- Spud |
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