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In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message -septe mber.org, at 21:02:55 on Tue, 8 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: The Victoria line Must make getting the trains in and out of the depot at Northumberland Park a bitch. and Drain Up to a point. The depot at Waterloo (which I've had a walking tour round back in the day) is more sunken than under*ground*. https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5067/5...83047678_b.jpg are entirely underground, so no portals. https://binged.it/2frzpgA Showing that the Northumberland Park depot portals are in a covered way. Indeed |
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In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 07:44:52 on Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Roland Perry remarked: 2. Bedford to Kettering. Newly electrified, Is it, already? Not completed, but intended to be. We are talking about NR and Grayling here. The only thing you can reasonably expect is that whatever they claim today may change tomorrow. suitable for 125 mph electric or diesel trains. IEPs will outperform the existing diesels. 3. Kettering to Leicester and on to Derby, Nottingham and Sheffield. Electrification work started, Just a few bridge works. but work will be suspended indefinitely. Bi-mode IEPs will be able to run, but performance will be worse than current diesel trains, specially the Meridians. So keep the Meridians. Yes, but not the HSTs. There's only one tph (to Nottingham) operated by HSTs, and now electrification has been cancelled they'll have to find something else to replace the HST. But I doubt it'll be IEPs. It occurs to me that if the line is electrified to Corby (despite it being "North of Kettering", that's what the "Bedford to Kettering electrification" is all about) then they could release the three Meridians used for that service to replace HSTs on the main line. Three short Meridians wouldn't be enough, surely? No. And it would be politically unacceptable for the new MML franchise to make no use of the newly electrified line. So it's a safe bet that Grayling knew what he was talking about when he announced that bi-modes would be used. In the absence of any other obvious options for a partly-electrified 125 mph line, I think that must mean IEPs, probably a new 802 variant. I think Bombardier missed its chance to insert a pantograph car into the class 22x fleet. |
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On 2017\08\09 12:29, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 14:35:31 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: Painful? Thats an interesting euphamism for not possible. What's a 'euphamism'? It's a euphemism for euphemism. |
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-sept ember.org, at 10:01:39 on Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: It occurs to me that if the line is electrified to Corby (despite it being "North of Kettering", that's what the "Bedford to Kettering electrification" is all about) then they could release the three Meridians used for that service to replace HSTs on the main line. Three short Meridians wouldn't be enough, surely? No. And it would be politically unacceptable Whereas scrapping almost all the new MML electrification *is* politically acceptable? for the new MML franchise to make no use of the newly electrified line. It wouldn't be making "no use"; there'd be EMUs from St Pancras to Corby, assuming that route wasn't transferred to Thameslink. So it's a safe bet that Grayling knew what he was talking about when he announced that bi-modes would be used. He knew he was buying time, knowing that this frog still has several rounds of being boiled to come. -- Roland Perry |
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-sept ember.org, at 06:07:58 on Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: I take it you don't read any railway magazines? I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was only cancelled ten days ago. RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover. What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST? It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used. Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer. He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf. Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing his mind? He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog boiling. -- Roland Perry |
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:09:30 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2017\08\09 12:29, Recliner wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 14:35:31 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: Painful? Thats an interesting euphamism for not possible. What's a 'euphamism'? It's a euphemism for euphemism. Now, now, don't go confusing Spultar… |
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:09:50 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message -sept ember.org, at 10:01:39 on Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: It occurs to me that if the line is electrified to Corby (despite it being "North of Kettering", that's what the "Bedford to Kettering electrification" is all about) then they could release the three Meridians used for that service to replace HSTs on the main line. Three short Meridians wouldn't be enough, surely? No. And it would be politically unacceptable Whereas scrapping almost all the new MML electrification *is* politically acceptable? Unavoidable, if embarrassing, after NR's electrification failures. NR had re-started it back after the previous 'pause', and maybe they will again one day, but certainly not before the GWML work has been completed, and lessons learned from the fiasco. for the new MML franchise to make no use of the newly electrified line. It wouldn't be making "no use"; there'd be EMUs from St Pancras to Corby, assuming that route wasn't transferred to Thameslink. I'm assuming it'll be transferred to TL. It's roughly the same distance as Peterborough, and it'll take pressure off the four MML St Pancras platforms, particularly if they're being used by longer IEPs than the current 222s. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-...82823601204305 So it's a safe bet that Grayling knew what he was talking about when he announced that bi-modes would be used. He knew he was buying time, knowing that this frog still has several rounds of being boiled to come. Given the necessary timing to order replacement trains before the HSTs are retired, the announcement will have to be made fairly soon, well before the new MML franchise starts. So it'll be the DfT making the decision, and guess what train they have a soft spot for? |
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:11:47 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message -sept ember.org, at 06:07:58 on Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: I take it you don't read any railway magazines? I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was only cancelled ten days ago. RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover. What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST? It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used. Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer. He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf. Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing his mind? He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog boiling. In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why say it? He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved on. |
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Recliner wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 14:35:31 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 14:17:53 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: Thats the amusing thing about you, recliner, perry and ambulance blocker, you tend to accuse me of this sort of thing yet when I ask for some examples you all mysteriously go quiet. Ain't that strange? It's too painful to go through all your previous misspelt postings. But, Painful? Thats an interesting euphamism for not possible. What's a 'euphamism'? Your standard fall back position when you can't think of anything else to say, point out typos. Are you unable to seperate the 2 parts? What's 'seperate'? And there wasn't any fact. Hmm, wonder how you spell aspergers... -- Spud |
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Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: I'm assuming it'll be transferred to TL. It's roughly the same distance as Peterborough, and it'll take pressure off the four MML St Pancras platforms, particularly if they're being used by longer IEPs than the current 222s. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-...82823601204305 As the electrification project also includes doubling Kettering-Corby they'd better get a move on to meet the 2019 delivery date. "These services could become daily" [wow] "and be extended to Kettering/Corby". - some "could" weasel wording applying also to the extension. But anyway, it looks like a later to the editor, rather than anything more definitive than that. So it's a safe bet that Grayling knew what he was talking about when he announced that bi-modes would be used. He knew he was buying time, knowing that this frog still has several rounds of being boiled to come. Given the necessary timing to order replacement trains before the HSTs are retired, the announcement will have to be made fairly soon, well before the new MML franchise starts. So it'll be the DfT making the decision, and guess what train they have a soft spot for? The cheapest, which will probably be making do with the existing Meridians. -- Roland Perry |
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Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: I take it you don't read any railway magazines? I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was only cancelled ten days ago. RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover. What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST? It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used. Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer. He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf. Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing his mind? He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog boiling. In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why say it? He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved on. But the Brexit "weakness and instability" is kicking in fast, and this whole thing is about money (throw enough and even NR will be able to electrify to Sheffield). I'm not suggesting Grayling is particularly prone to u-turns, but neither can he stave off external pressures indefinitely. Anyway, how's this project of his going, at the moment: http://www.cityam.com/254895/chris-g...work-rail-its- dominance-over -- Roland Perry |
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 14:40:30 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 13:36:50 on Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: I'm assuming it'll be transferred to TL. It's roughly the same distance as Peterborough, and it'll take pressure off the four MML St Pancras platforms, particularly if they're being used by longer IEPs than the current 222s. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-...82823601204305 As the electrification project also includes doubling Kettering-Corby they'd better get a move on to meet the 2019 delivery date. "These services could become daily" [wow] "and be extended to Kettering/Corby". - some "could" weasel wording applying also to the extension. But anyway, it looks like a later to the editor, rather than anything more definitive than that. Yes, I think it's a letter to the editor, but quite a well-informed one. So it's a safe bet that Grayling knew what he was talking about when he announced that bi-modes would be used. He knew he was buying time, knowing that this frog still has several rounds of being boiled to come. Given the necessary timing to order replacement trains before the HSTs are retired, the announcement will have to be made fairly soon, well before the new MML franchise starts. So it'll be the DfT making the decision, and guess what train they have a soft spot for? The cheapest, which will probably be making do with the existing Meridians. Well, let's see… |
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 14:46:06 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 13:39:42 on Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: I take it you don't read any railway magazines? I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was only cancelled ten days ago. RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover. What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST? It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used. Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer. He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf. Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing his mind? He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog boiling. In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why say it? He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved on. But the Brexit "weakness and instability" is kicking in fast, and this whole thing is about money (throw enough and even NR will be able to electrify to Sheffield). I'm not suggesting Grayling is particularly prone to u-turns, but neither can he stave off external pressures indefinitely. Anyway, how's this project of his going, at the moment: http://www.cityam.com/254895/chris-g...work-rail-its- dominance-over He still seems to be keen on some version of that idea in new franchises, but it's probably too hard to retrofit it to old ones. That desired higher level of TOC/NR integration was one of the reasons he cited for not passing on more metro lines to TfL. |
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 09:13:29 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Wed, 09 Aug 2017 09:41:23 +0100 wrote: As a child I liked going to Hounslow West as walking along the pathway behind the buffers gave you an unusual view of the trains, I think the only sub surface train I have travelled on the route was the Steam special from Northfields a couple of years back. How far can a sub surface stock go down the heathrow branch these days? Obviously the heathrow tunnels and houslow west are too small for one. I believe it is Northfields and on occasions a sub surface train reaches there and has been returned via the depot. Sometimes the visits have been unplanned. Hounslow Central used to have the over height detectors just beyond if a sub surface train ever got that far but in more recent times a couple of rail over road bridges have been replaced and they were built to allow passage of stock of tube width but would foul any sub service stock . The first one is here just west of Hounslow East. https://goo.gl/maps/FgFoJEYYvd92. I was wondering about RAT runs on the Piccadilly line. I know the A and in future the D stock RATs are used for the western Piccadilly line, but I wonder if they can go further west than Northfields? |
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In message , at 14:46:18 on
Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: I'm assuming it'll be transferred to TL. It's roughly the same distance as Peterborough, and it'll take pressure off the four MML St Pancras platforms, particularly if they're being used by longer IEPs than the current 222s. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-...82823601204305 As the electrification project also includes doubling Kettering-Corby they'd better get a move on to meet the 2019 delivery date. "These services could become daily" [wow] "and be extended to Kettering/Corby". - some "could" weasel wording applying also to the extension. But anyway, it looks like a later to the editor, rather than anything more definitive than that. Yes, I think it's a letter to the editor, but quite a well-informed one. What's the "daily" thing, then? -- Roland Perry |
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-septe mber.org, at 15:25:45 on Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing his mind? He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog boiling. In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why say it? He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved on. That depends on him. His interest in the railway extends to opening Cambridge North station yesterday and then departing by car. Well, he's responsible for roads as well as trains Did the LibDems at Cambridge North today give him their list of potholes? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 15:00:54 on
Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: Anyway, how's this project of his going, at the moment: http://www.cityam.com/254895/chris-g...work-rail-its- dominance-over He still seems to be keen on some version of that idea in new franchises, Including the one announced today? -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:14:14 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 15:00:54 on Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: Anyway, how's this project of his going, at the moment: http://www.cityam.com/254895/chris-g...work-rail-its- dominance-over He still seems to be keen on some version of that idea in new franchises, Including the one announced today? I've not had chance to read up on it. |
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wrote: Not any more they don't. A lot of resources were used to make sure those 'long trains' can't try to escape towards the Met line. The signaling from Hanger Lane to Rayners Lane has not had the appropriate immunisation from those nasty S stocks. The District and Picc lines share track from Acton Town through Ealing Common station to Hanger Lane Junction. Once in a while, a District line train gets sent, wrongly, towards North Ealing, and occasionally Piccadilly line trains serve Ealing Broadway. Years ago it used be a District route shared with the Piccadilly but that stopped long before the line was extended to Heathrow Originally it was purely a District line route all the way to Hounslow. The Piccadilly line came later. -- Steve F. London Docklands, E16, UK |
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On 2017\08\12 19:18, Steve F. wrote:
The signaling from Hanger Lane to Rayners Lane has not had the appropriate immunisation from those nasty S stocks. Clarification: you mean Hanger Lane Junction (which is just south of North Ealing station) and not Hanger Lane station. |
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 09:13:29 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: Hounslow Central. There is overheight protection just west of the station. I think the only sub surface train I have travelled on the route was the Steam special from Northfields a couple of years back. How far can a sub surface stock go down the heathrow branch these days? Obviously the heathrow tunnels and houslow west are too small for one. Does that mean the A and now D stock RATs go as far west as Hounslow Central? |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:29:21 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:01:28 +0100 Recliner wrote: On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:38:16 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:36:44 on Thu, 3 Aug 2017, d remarked: As an aside, how do trains on the ECML get south of the river, where's the link to the current thameslink route? Slaps forehead Indeed! Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines a prerequsite of being able to discuss this? No, but it would help you not look like a total prat. When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then... As a curious observer, I'm interested to know how "wearing an anorak and hanging around and the end of platforms" and "arguing on Usenet (of all the places) about things you're ignorant of like an Asperger's sufferer without the good points" compare in terms of social acceptability, in spudworld? It looks like virgins fighting over who pretended to buy a packet of condoms to me... |
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Clank wrote: On 04.08.2017 12:48 PM, d wrote: On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:29:21 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:01:28 +0100 Recliner wrote: On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:38:16 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:36:44 on Thu, 3 Aug 2017, d remarked: As an aside, how do trains on the ECML get south of the river, where's the link to the current thameslink route? Slaps forehead Indeed! Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines a prerequsite of being able to discuss this? No, but it would help you not look like a total prat. When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then... As a curious observer, I'm interested to know how "wearing an anorak and hanging around and the end of platforms" and "arguing on Usenet (of all the places) about things you're ignorant of like an Asperger's sufferer without the good points" compare in terms of social acceptability, in spudworld? It looks like virgins fighting over who pretended to buy a packet of condoms to me... Usenet is an amusing diversion at work. I don't bother at weekends or in the evenings when I have more interesting things to do. -- Spud |
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:41:54 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 19:04:33 -0000 (UTC) Clank wrote: On 04.08.2017 12:48 PM, d wrote: On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:29:21 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:01:28 +0100 Recliner wrote: On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:38:16 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:36:44 on Thu, 3 Aug 2017, d remarked: As an aside, how do trains on the ECML get south of the river, where's the link to the current thameslink route? Slaps forehead Indeed! Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines a prerequsite of being able to discuss this? No, but it would help you not look like a total prat. When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then... As a curious observer, I'm interested to know how "wearing an anorak and hanging around and the end of platforms" and "arguing on Usenet (of all the places) about things you're ignorant of like an Asperger's sufferer without the good points" compare in terms of social acceptability, in spudworld? It looks like virgins fighting over who pretended to buy a packet of condoms to me... Usenet is an amusing diversion at work. I don't bother at weekends or in the evenings when I have more interesting things to do. Using condoms to prevent whatever is a w-a-y more interesting pasttime to fill (oops) evenings and weekends... g |
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