Croydon
 

On 2017-11-16 13:28:30 +0000, Theo said:

Maybe the hangars will eventually go dark and turn into delivery depots
instead of walk-in shops?

Tesco already have dark stores, and *all* of Ocado's operation is like
that. One advantage is that you can operate proper stock control
rather than guessing and substituting.

FWIW I haven't set foot in one for a while, I use delivery now. Though
deliveries allegedly aren't very profitable at present, I would pay
more than I do so there is a bit of scope for increasing the price.

Neil
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On 2017-11-16 13:39:38 +0000, David Cantrell said:

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 03:45:02PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:

Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.

Hi! Well-off commuter resident of Croydon here!

The only reason I ever have for going in to central Croydon is to drink
at the Dog n Bull occasionally. There is literally nothing else there of
any interest to me whatsoever. I have local greengrocers and butchers,
and everything else is either delivered from the interwebs or not
available in Croydon town centre anyway.

Cheers, this is largely how I suspected things to be. FWIW, some of
the housing areas of Croydon are very nice (and pricey) :)

Neil
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On 2017\11\16 15:49, Neil Williams wrote:

Cheers, this is largely how I suspected things to be.Â* FWIW, some of the
housing areas of Croydon are very nice (and pricey) :)

Purley... say no more!

Croydon
 

Neil Williams wrote:
Maybe it's a London thing. In most of the UK the weekly shop is done
in an out of town style supermarket (sometimes on the edge of town, but
almost never actually *in* it).

The thing is there isn't a weekly shop any more
(for some proportion of people):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...rket-shop.html

Theo

Croydon
 

wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:11:35 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
I recently went into the Elephant & Castle shopping centre for probably the=
first time in about ten years, looking for a cash machine when on my way t=
o a screening at the Cinema Museum. I used to use it quite often in the '6=
0s and early '70s, when it wasn't bad. The top floor only ever had a handf=

The 60s and 70s was before the demographics changed significantly and the
area went downhill faster than a rolling cheese contest.

ul of shops occupied, and this floor was closed and converted into somethin=
g else, offices I think, not many years after it was built. The remaining =
two floors are horrible now.

Agreed, its an utter dump not helped by the run down market surrounding it on
2 sides.

Whicg 2 sides its onme street and full of crap greengrocers

--
Mark

Croydon
 

On 16/11/2017 15:46, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-16 13:26:38 +0000, said:


Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre
these days?Â* An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there
is already one near the station) will do better I reckon.

I only know quite a small number of people, but I can't think of
anybody I know who goess out of town for their normal shopping.Â* Such
shopping is usually done within walking distance of home, or work, or
of rhe journey between the two.

Mostly in Express/Local type stores then?

Maybe it's a London thing.Â* In most of the UK the weekly shop is done in
an out of town style supermarket (sometimes on the edge of town, but
almost never actually *in* it).

Varying levels of car ownership might be factor. And people do live
within walking distance from outer-ish London urban centres.

And strictly speaking, out of town could be quite a long way for many
people in a built up area the size of London. :)

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Croydon
 

On 15/11/2017 11:31, Offramp wrote:

I had never heard of the Tricorn centre, Portsmouth, until last month.

It used to appear in discussions of architecture for similar kinds of
reasons to New Street station.


--
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Croydon
 

On 15/11/2017 10:32, Neil Williams wrote:

I'd imagine that will be a relatively good thing - Croydon high street
and both shopping centres are abject dumps (particularly the Whitgift
which needs knocking down).

There is a slight terminology issue, in that the High Street is not the
high street - the pedestrianised North End is the high street, IYSWIM.

Try St George's Walk for a post-Soviet style experience.

--
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Croydon
 

On 15/11/2017 17:25, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-15 16:23:45 +0000, Tony Dragon said:

But it does get the visitors to Luner House.

That place really is an embarrassment.Â* "Welcome to the UK - now naff
off" is about what it says.

Isn't that the idea of it?


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Croydon
 

On 16/11/2017 13:12, wrote:

Does that mean the Variobahn trams can't go that way now? Looking at the
West Croydon tram stop on Google Streetview that's obviously not the case so
I don't understand this point.

I think the Variobahns do go everywhere now.

IIRC there have been discussions about coupling trams together, or
buying longer ones to replace the CR4000s as and when they reach the end
of their lives. There are also issues about getting trams through
various traffic lights - it has been said that there is some rule that
only one tram can go through per light cycle, which causes issues.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Croydon
 

In article ,
lid (Arthur Figgis) wrote:

On 16/11/2017 13:12, wrote:

Does that mean the Variobahn trams can't go that way now? Looking at the
West Croydon tram stop on Google Streetview that's obviously not the
case so I don't understand this point.

I think the Variobahns do go everywhere now.

IIRC there have been discussions about coupling trams together, or
buying longer ones to replace the CR4000s as and when they reach the
end of their lives.

Perhaps they might be interested in some spare Edinburgh trams?

There are also issues about getting trams through
various traffic lights - it has been said that there is some rule
that only one tram can go through per light cycle, which causes
issues.

Good grief! Why?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Croydon
 

In article ,
lid (Arthur Figgis) wrote:

On 15/11/2017 11:31, Offramp wrote:

I had never heard of the Tricorn centre, Portsmouth, until last
month.

It used to appear in discussions of architecture for similar kinds of
reasons to New Street station.

Ah! The late unlamented Pallasades shopping centre!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-16, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 03:45:02PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:

Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.

Hi! Well-off commuter resident of Croydon here!

The only reason I ever have for going in to central Croydon is to drink
at the Dog n Bull occasionally. There is literally nothing else there of
any interest to me whatsoever. I have local greengrocers and butchers,
and everything else is either delivered from the interwebs or not
available in Croydon town centre anyway.

well I havent been down the market for a few years as I havent lived
in Croydon since 1971, but we used to have poetry readings at the Dog & Bull
in the mid 60's, and Croydon was pretty awful then

--
Martin

Croydon
 

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 17:17:08 +0000
(Mark Bestley) wrote:
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:11:35 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
I recently went into the Elephant & Castle shopping centre for probably the=
first time in about ten years, looking for a cash machine when on my way t=
o a screening at the Cinema Museum. I used to use it quite often in the '6=
0s and early '70s, when it wasn't bad. The top floor only ever had a handf=

The 60s and 70s was before the demographics changed significantly and the
area went downhill faster than a rolling cheese contest.

ul of shops occupied, and this floor was closed and converted into somethin=
g else, offices I think, not many years after it was built. The remaining =
two floors are horrible now.

Agreed, its an utter dump not helped by the run down market surrounding it on
2 sides.

Whicg 2 sides its onme street and full of crap greengrocers

Eh? Its not a street, its offset from a now pedestrianised area with a sub
level that has the market in which goes around the side of the centre. Which
century did you last visit it? I was there 3 weeks ago as I work 10 mins walk
away.

https://goo.gl/maps/XLBxanNwggD2

And that road is now gone:

https://goo.gl/maps/nv6ztZFTid82

Croydon
 

wrote:

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 17:17:08 +0000
(Mark Bestley) wrote:
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:11:35 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
I recently went into the Elephant & Castle shopping centre for
probably the= first time in about ten years, looking for a cash
machine when on my way t= o a screening at the Cinema Museum. I used
to use it quite often in the '6= 0s and early '70s, when it wasn't
bad. The top floor only ever had a handf=

The 60s and 70s was before the demographics changed significantly and the
area went downhill faster than a rolling cheese contest.

ul of shops occupied, and this floor was closed and converted into
somethin= g else, offices I think, not many years after it was built.
The remaining = two floors are horrible now.

Agreed, its an utter dump not helped by the run down market surrounding
it on 2 sides.

Whicg 2 sides its onme street and full of crap greengrocers

Eh? Its not a street, its offset from a now pedestrianised area with a sub
level that has the market in which goes around the side of the centre. Which
century did you last visit it? I was there 3 weeks ago as I work 10 mins walk
away.

https://goo.gl/maps/XLBxanNwggD2

And that road is now gone:

https://goo.gl/maps/nv6ztZFTid82
Sorry I got the wrong thread and yes the elephant & castle has nor been
been good for many years

--
Mark

Croydon
 

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:34:30PM +0000, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\11\16 13:32, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 10:33:56AM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre
these days? An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there
is already one near the station) will do better I reckon.
I expect that most people in London do. And that includes Croydon.
I'll shop anywhere I can park free. Which rules out town centres.

********. You can park for free at all four of my local supermarkets,
two of which are in the town centre.

--
David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information

Erudite is when you make a classical allusion to a
feather. Kinky is when you use the whole chicken.

Croydon
 

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 03:49:11PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-16 13:39:38 +0000, David Cantrell said:
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 03:45:02PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.
Hi! Well-off commuter resident of Croydon here!
The only reason I ever have for going in to central Croydon is to drink
at the Dog n Bull occasionally. There is literally nothing else there of
any interest to me whatsoever. I have local greengrocers and butchers,
and everything else is either delivered from the interwebs or not
available in Croydon town centre anyway.
Cheers, this is largely how I suspected things to be. FWIW, some of
the housing areas of Croydon are very nice (and pricey) :)

Well, it turns out I lied to you!

Someone phoned me yesterday and asked if I wanted to come and play board
games at a new "board games cafe" on Croydon High Street. So I did. I
now have two reasons to go into central Croydon.

FWIW it's called Ludoquist, and has a decent choice of beer, good cheap
pizzas, and of course lots of board games, both modern and traditional.

--
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

Croydon
 

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 06:02:09PM +0000, Arthur Figgis wrote:

Try St George's Walk for a post-Soviet style experience.

According to someone in the planning dept it's only still there because
no-one wants to be responsible for the asbestos when they demolish it.
I did point out that if you try hard enough both concrete and asbestos
can be made to accidentally go on fire, but that the fumes would be ...
well, I'd prefer to be downwind of Chernobyl when it was on fire.

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On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 03:49:11PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-16 13:39:38 +0000, David Cantrell said:
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 03:45:02PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.
Hi! Well-off commuter resident of Croydon here!
The only reason I ever have for going in to central Croydon is to drink
at the Dog n Bull occasionally. There is literally nothing else there
of
any interest to me whatsoever. I have local greengrocers and butchers,
and everything else is either delivered from the interwebs or not
available in Croydon town centre anyway.
Cheers, this is largely how I suspected things to be. FWIW, some of
the housing areas of Croydon are very nice (and pricey) :)

Well, it turns out I lied to you!

Someone phoned me yesterday and asked if I wanted to come and play board
games at a new "board games cafe" on Croydon High Street. So I did. I
now have two reasons to go into central Croydon.

FWIW it's called Ludoquist, and has a decent choice of beer, good cheap
pizzas, and of course lots of board games, both modern and traditional.

funded by kickstarter

tim

Croydon
 

FWIW it's called Ludoquist, and has a decent choice of beer, good cheap
pizzas, and of course lots of board games, both modern and traditional.

I work part time just around the corner at the David Lean Cinema in the Croydon Clocktower, and catch my bus home from the stop just before the flyover, where the Davis Theatre used to be, so I walk past the place. Never seen anything like it before. It doesn't appeal to me, but it's an interesting idea.