Croydon
 

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is
to be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably create
the largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area of the
current centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.

Croydon
 

Bad news for Croydon. The Whitgift Centre has for years been blighted by Westfield's plans. Getting on for half of the shops are closed, with more every time I go there. There's nothing much wrong with the place which couldn't be fixed by some minor refurbishment, fixing some leaks in the roof, some of which have been there for years, for example, and a bit of paint.

We already have two Westfield centres in London, they mainly sell things like expensive designer clothes, which are not something which most people buy very often, if ever. They don't seem to attract shops selling everyday things. There's a not very good Sainsbury's in the Whitgift Centre, but rather than improving that it will almost certainly be absent from the new Westfield.

A large hole was made in the centre of Bradfield years ago for Westfield to build a new centre there, put the plans were then put on hold, leaving a large empty space. The Broadway Centre was eventually built, opening a couple of years ago, but the Westfield name doesn't seem to be anywhere on it.

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-15 09:10:04 +0000, Basil Jet said:

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is
to be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably
create the largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area
of the current centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in
Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length,
and there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them
all.

I'd imagine that will be a relatively good thing - Croydon high street
and both shopping centres are abject dumps (particularly the Whitgift
which needs knocking down).

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-15 09:45:59 +0000, said:

Bad news for Croydon. The Whitgift Centre has for years been blighted
by Westfield's plans. Getting on for half of the shops are closed,
with more every time I go there. There's nothing much wrong with the
place which couldn't be fixed by some minor refurbishment, fixing some
leaks in the roof, some of which have been there for years, for
example, and a bit of paint.

It's an absolute rathole in every possible way and needs pulling down.

We already have two Westfield centres in London, they mainly sell
things like expensive designer clothes, which are not something which
most people buy very often, if ever. They don't seem to attract shops
selling everyday things. There's a not very good Sainsbury's in the
Whitgift Centre, but rather than improving that it will almost
certainly be absent from the new Westfield.

Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre
these days? An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there
is already one near the station) will do better I reckon.

A large hole was made in the centre of Bradfield years ago for
Westfield to build a new centre there, put the plans were then put on
hold, leaving a large empty space. The Broadway Centre was eventually
built, opening a couple of years ago, but the Westfield name doesn't
seem to be anywhere on it.

Bradford.

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

Croydon
 

On 15/11/2017 09:45, wrote:
Bad news for Croydon. The Whitgift Centre has for years been blighted by Westfield's plans. Getting on for half of the shops are closed, with more every time I go there. There's nothing much wrong with the place which couldn't be fixed by some minor refurbishment, fixing some leaks in the roof, some of which have been there for years, for example, and a bit of paint.

We already have two Westfield centres in London, they mainly sell things like expensive designer clothes, which are not something which most people buy very often, if ever. They don't seem to attract shops selling everyday things. There's a not very good Sainsbury's in the Whitgift Centre, but rather than improving that it will almost certainly be absent from the new Westfield.

I am one of many people who make frequent use of the large M&S and John
Lewis/Waitrose stores which anchor the 2 ends of Westfield in Stratford
for things other than designer clothes. And also use from time to time
stores such as Boots, WH Smiths, Argos, Cotswold Outdoor and Lakeland.
It can be a bit of a pain having to negotiate the fashionistas with
shoes and nails capable of inflicting life-changing injuries (especially
when they are walking 4 abreast) but life's rarely perfect.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

Croydon
 

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:46:00 UTC, wrote:

Bad news for Croydon. The Whitgift Centre has for years been blighted by Westfield's plans. Getting on for half of the shops are closed, with more every time I go there.

I had never heard of the Tricorn centre, Portsmouth, until last month.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricorn_Centre
A huge concrete shopping centre that opened in c1966 and was demolished in 2004.

Croydon
 

In article ,
() wrote:

Bad news for Croydon. The Whitgift Centre has for years been
blighted by Westfield's plans. Getting on for half of the shops are
closed, with more every time I go there. There's nothing much wrong
with the place which couldn't be fixed by some minor refurbishment,
fixing some leaks in the roof, some of which have been there for
years, for example, and a bit of paint.

We already have two Westfield centres in London, they mainly sell
things like expensive designer clothes, which are not something which
most people buy very often, if ever. They don't seem to attract
shops selling everyday things. There's a not very good Sainsbury's
in the Whitgift Centre, but rather than improving that it will almost
certainly be absent from the new Westfield.

A large hole was made in the centre of Bradfield years ago for
Westfield to build a new centre there, put the plans were then put on
hold, leaving a large empty space. The Broadway Centre was
eventually built, opening a couple of years ago, but the Westfield
name doesn't seem to be anywhere on it.

The rag trade seem to be the bread and butter tenants of modern shopping
centres, providing the best rental income to sustain them. Look at
Cambridge's Grand Arcade. Nothing to do with Westfield but heavily loaded
with shops full of things which you'd think people wouldn't buy very often.
In these days of internet shopping that's how retail survives, I was told
when I was the councillor in charge of the development.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Croydon
 

On 2017\11\15 11:31, Offramp wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:46:00 UTC, wrote:

Bad news for Croydon. The Whitgift Centre has for years been blighted by Westfield's plans. Getting on for half of the shops are closed, with more every time I go there.

I had never heard of the Tricorn centre, Portsmouth, until last month.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricorn_Centre
A huge concrete shopping centre that opened in c1966 and was demolished in 2004.

The world's largest shopping centre has been largely deserted ever since
it was built...

https://www.iol.co.za/business-repor...lephant-729495

Croydon
 

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is to
be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably create the
largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area of the current
centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR
platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station


"It said it would "cement Croydon's reputation as one of the best
destinations in the capital to live, work and play"

provided that you don't mind ignoring the law about carrying a knife with
you, that is

tim

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-15 13:27:44 +0000, tim... said:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is
to be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably
create the largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area
of the current centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in
Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station


"It said it would "cement Croydon's reputation as one of the best
destinations in the capital to live, work and play"

provided that you don't mind ignoring the law about carrying a knife
with you, that is

Is it compulsory? My friends from Croydon didn't tell me about that.
Perhaps I should trust them less.

Sam

--
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Croydon
 

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On 2017-11-15 09:45:59 +0000, said:

Bad news for Croydon. The Whitgift Centre has for years been blighted by
Westfield's plans. Getting on for half of the shops are closed, with
more every time I go there. There's nothing much wrong with the place
which couldn't be fixed by some minor refurbishment, fixing some leaks in
the roof, some of which have been there for years, for example, and a bit
of paint.

It's an absolute rathole in every possible way and needs pulling down.

We already have two Westfield centres in London, they mainly sell things
like expensive designer clothes, which are not something which most
people buy very often, if ever. They don't seem to attract shops selling
everyday things. There's a not very good Sainsbury's in the Whitgift
Centre, but rather than improving that it will almost certainly be absent
from the new Westfield.

Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre these
days? An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there is already
one near the station) will do better I reckon.

A large hole was made in the centre of Bradfield years ago for Westfield
to build a new centre there, put the plans were then put on hold, leaving
a large empty space. The Broadway Centre was eventually built, opening a
couple of years ago, but the Westfield name doesn't seem to be anywhere
on it.

Bradford.

Bradfield is the fictional city where Wire in the Blood is set

Just thought you'd all like to know that

tim

Croydon
 

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On 2017-11-15 09:10:04 +0000, Basil Jet said:

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is to
be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably create the
largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area of the current
centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR
platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I would
have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and there
would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.

I'd imagine that will be a relatively good thing - Croydon high street and
both shopping centres are abject dumps (particularly the Whitgift which
needs knocking down).

it is 50 years old, and it was a revolutionary new way of shopping when it
opened (and, of course, the high street was still a main road through the
town at the time)

but the rest of the world has caught up and moved on

tim

Croydon
 

On 2017\11\15 13:58, tim... wrote:

Bradfield is the fictional city where Wire in the Blood is set

If you read the book, it was called Bielefeld in the original Klingon.

Croydon
 

"Sam Wilson" wrote in message
...
On 2017-11-15 13:27:44 +0000, tim... said:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is
to be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably create
the largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area of the
current centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR
platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station


"It said it would "cement Croydon's reputation as one of the best
destinations in the capital to live, work and play"

provided that you don't mind ignoring the law about carrying a knife with
you, that is

Is it compulsory? My friends from Croydon didn't tell me about that.
Perhaps I should trust them less.

It's not compulsory

but don't be surprised if you feel unsafe without it

tim

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-15 13:58:24 +0000, tim... said:

Bradfield is the fictional city where Wire in the Blood is set

Just thought you'd all like to know that

Oh. There is/was a big hole in the middle of Bradford pending a
shopping arcade of some kind, though.

Neil

Croydon
 

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:01:58 -0000
"tim..." wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On 2017-11-15 09:10:04 +0000, Basil Jet said:

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is to
be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably create the
largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area of the current
centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR
platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I would
have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and there
would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.

I'd imagine that will be a relatively good thing - Croydon high street and
both shopping centres are abject dumps (particularly the Whitgift which
needs knocking down).

it is 50 years old, and it was a revolutionary new way of shopping when it
opened (and, of course, the high street was still a main road through the
town at the time)

but the rest of the world has caught up and moved on

The age doesn't matter, its all down to whether the owners can be arsed to
keep it up to date and whether the locals are chav scum or not. Brent Cross is
over 40 years old but you'd never know it walking around inside it because it
gets investment and is in a relatively well off area.

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-15 15:38:07 +0000, said:

The age doesn't matter, its all down to whether the owners can be arsed to
keep it up to date and whether the locals are chav scum or not. Brent Cross is
over 40 years old but you'd never know it walking around inside it because it
gets investment and is in a relatively well off area.

Similarly the "old bit" of Milton Keynes shopping centre.

Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.

Neil

Croydon
 

On 15/11/2017 15:45, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-15 15:38:07 +0000, said:

The age doesn't matter, its all down to whether the owners can be
arsed to
keep it up to date and whether the locals are chav scum or not. Brent
Cross is
over 40 years old but you'd never know it walking around inside it
because it
gets investment and is in a relatively well off area.

Similarly the "old bit" of Milton Keynes shopping centre.

Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.

Neil


But it does get the visitors to Luner House.

Croydon
 

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:45:02 +0000
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-15 15:38:07 +0000, said:

The age doesn't matter, its all down to whether the owners can be arsed to
keep it up to date and whether the locals are chav scum or not. Brent Cross
is
over 40 years old but you'd never know it walking around inside it because it
gets investment and is in a relatively well off area.

Similarly the "old bit" of Milton Keynes shopping centre.

Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.

And all the PT facilities the place has. I suppose the problem is it can't
decide if its a town or a suburb and whether they should invest in it when
most people just head off to london to work.

Croydon
 

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the platforms to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-15 16:23:45 +0000, Tony Dragon said:

But it does get the visitors to Luner House.

That place really is an embarrassment. "Welcome to the UK - now naff
off" is about what it says.

Neil

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-15 16:34:52 +0000, said:

And all the PT facilities the place has. I suppose the problem is it can't
decide if its a town or a suburb and whether they should invest in it when
most people just head off to london to work.

Yeah, I'd imagine that, by and large, the commuters use one of the
local out of town supermarkets then go to London for everything else,
and it's them that's got the money. Their kids no doubt hang around in
town, but they don't care if it's a bit crap as long as their mates are
there.

TBH I don't often go to MK shopping centre.

Neil

Croydon
 

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 10:33:59 UTC, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-15 09:45:59 +0000, said:

Bad news for Croydon. The Whitgift Centre has for years been blighted
by Westfield's plans. Getting on for half of the shops are closed,
with more every time I go there. There's nothing much wrong with the
place which couldn't be fixed by some minor refurbishment, fixing some
leaks in the roof, some of which have been there for years, for
example, and a bit of paint.

It's an absolute rathole in every possible way and needs pulling down.

We already have two Westfield centres in London, they mainly sell
things like expensive designer clothes, which are not something which
most people buy very often, if ever. They don't seem to attract shops
selling everyday things. There's a not very good Sainsbury's in the
Whitgift Centre, but rather than improving that it will almost
certainly be absent from the new Westfield.

Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre
these days? An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there
is already one near the station) will do better I reckon.

A large hole was made in the centre of Bradfield years ago for
Westfield to build a new centre there, put the plans were then put on
hold, leaving a large empty space. The Broadway Centre was eventually
built, opening a couple of years ago, but the Westfield name doesn't
seem to be anywhere on it.

Bradford.

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

I know ir's Bradford[ I'm there quite often. Not sure if it was my brain, or the spell checker which did something odd.

Croydon
 

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 15:45:04 UTC, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-15 15:38:07 +0000, said:

The age doesn't matter, its all down to whether the owners can be arsed to
keep it up to date and whether the locals are chav scum or not. Brent Cross is
over 40 years old but you'd never know it walking around inside it because it
gets investment and is in a relatively well off area.

Similarly the "old bit" of Milton Keynes shopping centre.

Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.

Neil

I recently went into the Elephant & Castle shopping centre for probably the first time in about ten years, looking for a cash machine when on my way to a screening at the Cinema Museum. I used to use it quite often in the '60s and early '70s, when it wasn't bad. The top floor only ever had a handful of shops occupied, and this floor was closed and converted into something else, offices I think, not many years after it was built. The remaining two floors are horrible now.

Croydon
 

wrote in message ...
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:01:58 -0000
"tim..." wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On 2017-11-15 09:10:04 +0000, Basil Jet said:

Apparently the Centrale shopping centre (which only opened in 2004) is
to
be merged with the Whitgift Centre. I think this will probably create
the
largest shopping centre in the UK, since the combined area of the
current
centres is only just short of the Metro Centre in Newcastle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41983441

This page suggests that East Croydon may gain a fourth pair of NR
platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would
have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and
there
would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.

I'd imagine that will be a relatively good thing - Croydon high street
and
both shopping centres are abject dumps (particularly the Whitgift which
needs knocking down).

it is 50 years old, and it was a revolutionary new way of shopping when it
opened (and, of course, the high street was still a main road through the
town at the time)

but the rest of the world has caught up and moved on

The age doesn't matter, its all down to whether the owners can be arsed to
keep it up to date and whether the locals are chav scum or not. Brent
Cross is
over 40 years old but you'd never know it walking around inside it because
it
gets investment and is in a relatively well off area.

The problem at Croydon is that it was originally built as an open air
shopping centre

I know that they added a roof, but it still must be difficult to give it the
ambiance of a center which was built from scratch as an indoor centre

tim

Croydon
 

On 15/11/2017 17:25, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-15 16:23:45 +0000, Tony Dragon said:

But it does get the visitors to Luner House.

That place really is an embarrassment.Â* "Welcome to the UK - now naff
off" is about what it says.

Neil


A 'visitor' once asked me near Delta Point "Lunar House, asylum, please'.
I told him to walk about a mile down Wellesley Road, Whitehorse road and
turn right at Whitehorse Lane. Lunar house was the building with the big
lights.
He's probably a Palace supporter now.

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-15 18:11:35 +0000, said:

I recently went into the Elephant & Castle shopping centre for probably
the first time in about ten years, looking for a cash machine when on
my way to a screening at the Cinema Museum. I used to use it quite
often in the '60s and early '70s, when it wasn't bad. The top floor
only ever had a handful of shops occupied, and this floor was closed
and converted into something else, offices I think, not many years
after it was built. The remaining two floors are horrible now.

Absolutely everything about the Elephant is a dump from start to
finish. It's embarrassing that one of the world's richest cities lets
things get so bad.

Neil

Croydon
 

On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the platforms to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell
simultaneously there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

Croydon
 

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length, and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the platforms
to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell simultaneously
there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

you write that like there's some reason that would be a dumb operational
procedure

tim

Croydon
 

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:11:35 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
I recently went into the Elephant & Castle shopping centre for probably the=
first time in about ten years, looking for a cash machine when on my way t=
o a screening at the Cinema Museum. I used to use it quite often in the '6=
0s and early '70s, when it wasn't bad. The top floor only ever had a handf=

The 60s and 70s was before the demographics changed significantly and the
area went downhill faster than a rolling cheese contest.

ul of shops occupied, and this floor was closed and converted into somethin=
g else, offices I think, not many years after it was built. The remaining =
two floors are horrible now.

Agreed, its an utter dump not helped by the run down market surrounding it on
2 sides.

Croydon
 

On 2017\11\16 09:27, tim... wrote:


"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil JetÂ* wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length,
and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them
all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the
platforms to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell
simultaneously there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

you write that like there's some reason that would be a dumb operational
procedure

Not at all. I just think the page is a mess. At West Croydon,
"straightening tram tracks will allow for the usage of three car trams"
and at East Croydon "the tram stop outside the station is to be extended
to accommodate four car trams".

Lengthening the EC stop for multiple trams is not ideal anyway, because
the trams in both directions have multiple branches after only two
stops, so pretty much every waiting passenger will have to cluster at
the centre of the stop because they won't know in advance if their tram
will stop on the back or the front. I suspect the extended dwells are
from the east in the morning and to the east in the evening, in which
case two islands with a tidal central track might work better. (Quick
Google) Oh, they've already got three tracks there.

Croydon
 

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2017\11\16 09:27, tim... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet* wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length,
and there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen
them all.

It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the
platforms to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell
simultaneously there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

you write that like there's some reason that would be a dumb
operational procedure

Not at all. I just think the page is a mess. At West Croydon,
"straightening tram tracks will allow for the usage of three car
trams"

Does that mean the Variobahn trams can't go that way now? Looking at the
West Croydon tram stop on Google Streetview that's obviously not the case so
I don't understand this point.

and at East Croydon "the tram stop outside the station is to
be extended to accommodate four car trams".

Lengthening the EC stop for multiple trams is not ideal anyway,
because the trams in both directions have multiple branches after
only two stops, so pretty much every waiting passenger will have to
cluster at the centre of the stop because they won't know in advance
if their tram will stop on the back or the front. I suspect the
extended dwells are from the east in the morning and to the east in
the evening, in which case two islands with a tidal central track
might work better. (Quick Google) Oh, they've already got three
tracks there.

Which do occasionally get used (never been there in the high peak). So the
idea of doubling up trams as well is hard to fathom.

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Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre
these days? An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there
is already one near the station) will do better I reckon.

I only know quite a small number of people, but I can't think of anybody I know who goess out of town for their normal shopping. Such shopping is usually done within walking distance of home, or work, or of rhe journey between the two.

Croydon
 

Neil Williams wrote:
Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre
these days? An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there
is already one near the station) will do better I reckon.

People who live in the town centre? People who don't drive (car ownership
is declining)?

Of course the meaning of 'supermarket' has changed. Previously, at the time
many of these were built, a supermarket would be on the High Street and take
about 400m2. Now a supermarket is an aircraft hangar with an airport-sized
car park outside.

So if by 'Sainsbury's Local' you mean something about the same size as an
Aldi or a Lidl in a city centre, I agree with you. If you mean a glorified
corner shop where you can buy barely more than a pint of milk and some ready
meals, it's probably not going to do it for a lot of people. Online
deliveries help people without a car, but the trend is that many people are
tending to shop little and often, not do weekly shops.

Maybe the hangars will eventually go dark and turn into delivery depots
instead of walk-in shops?

Theo

Croydon
 

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 10:33:56AM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:

Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre
these days? An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there
is already one near the station) will do better I reckon.

I expect that most people in London do. And that includes Croydon.

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On 2017\11\16 13:32, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 10:33:56AM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:

Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre
these days? An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there
is already one near the station) will do better I reckon.

I expect that most people in London do. And that includes Croydon.

I'll shop anywhere I can park free. Which rules out town centres.

Croydon
 

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 03:45:02PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:

Croydon is an abject dump, which is surprising given how many well-off
commuters live there.

Hi! Well-off commuter resident of Croydon here!

The only reason I ever have for going in to central Croydon is to drink
at the Dog n Bull occasionally. There is literally nothing else there of
any interest to me whatsoever. I have local greengrocers and butchers,
and everything else is either delivered from the interwebs or not
available in Croydon town centre anyway.

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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2017\11\16 09:27, tim... wrote:


"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2017\11\15 16:55, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 09:10:07 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydo...#Train_Station

The page also talks about lengthening tram platforms at West Croydon,
although I couldn't quite find enough info to make sense of that. I
would have imagined that all the tram platforms are the same length,
and
there would be no point in lengthening one unless you lengthen them
all.



It's actually East Croydon where they propose lengthening the platforms
to accommodate four car trams, not West Croydon.

So are they saying that two trams per direction would dwell
simultaneously there, rather than there being "four car trams"?

you write that like there's some reason that would be a dumb operational
procedure

Not at all. I just think the page is a mess. At West Croydon,
"straightening tram tracks will allow for the usage of three car trams"
and at East Croydon "the tram stop outside the station is to be extended
to accommodate four car trams".

Lengthening the EC stop for multiple trams is not ideal anyway, because
the trams in both directions have multiple branches after only two stops,
so pretty much every waiting passenger will have to cluster at the centre
of the stop because they won't know in advance if their tram will stop on
the back or the front.

well that's easily soluble by having a departure board that tells them -
other countries have no difficulty doing this

tim

Croydon
 

On 2017-11-16 13:26:38 +0000, said:


Realistically who completes a full supermarket shop in a town centre
these days? An out of town supermarket and a Sainsburys Local (there
is already one near the station) will do better I reckon.

I only know quite a small number of people, but I can't think of
anybody I know who goess out of town for their normal shopping. Such
shopping is usually done within walking distance of home, or work, or
of rhe journey between the two.

Mostly in Express/Local type stores then?

Maybe it's a London thing. In most of the UK the weekly shop is done
in an out of town style supermarket (sometimes on the edge of town, but
almost never actually *in* it).

Neil
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