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On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:14:31 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:26:29 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 09:57:53 on Thu, 14 Dec 2017, remarked: Anybody arriving at King's Cross St Pancras Underground station is equally badly off, unless they arrive on the Metropolitan (etc) platforms. Other cities do their best to make sure the interchange between lines is as short as possible. In London we seem to deliberately do the opposite. The new thameslink platform at St P, the jubilee line at waterloo which seems to be half a mile from anything else and requires a travalator are good examples. The station at Waterloo is going to be under the Charing Cross Line beneath Waterloo East; rather than under the old Eurostar platforms and north end of the concourse. I don't know the specific reason for this. As an aside - I wonder why the lines at waterloo were never linked to the charing X line at waterloo east? They're at the same level and can't be more than 50 metres apart at closest approach. It would have created a south river line following the river (more or less) from richmond out to gravesend. Strangely LT/LRT/TfL have regressed. When they built the Victoria Line back in the 1960s they made interchange so easy. Amid Beeching, and the general decline during that period, the Victoria Line shines as a real achievement. |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:56:31 +0000
Mike Bristow wrote: In article , wrote: As an aside - I wonder why the lines at waterloo were never linked to the charing X line at waterloo east? They were. The line was taken up in 1911, according to https://www.londonreconnections.com/...waterloo-link/ A lost opportunity. Could have been the south london version of crossrail (ish). |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:21:31 +0000
e27002 aurora wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:14:31 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:26:29 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 09:57:53 on Thu, 14 Dec 2017, remarked: Anybody arriving at King's Cross St Pancras Underground station is equally badly off, unless they arrive on the Metropolitan (etc) platforms. Other cities do their best to make sure the interchange between lines is as short as possible. In London we seem to deliberately do the opposite. The new thameslink platform at St P, the jubilee line at waterloo which seems to be half a mile from anything else and requires a travalator are good examples. The station at Waterloo is going to be under the Charing Cross Line beneath Waterloo East; rather than under the old Eurostar platforms and north end of the concourse. I don't know the specific reason for this. As an aside - I wonder why the lines at waterloo were never linked to the charing X line at waterloo east? They're at the same level and can't be more than 50 metres apart at closest approach. It would have created a south river line following the river (more or less) from richmond out to gravesend. Strangely LT/LRT/TfL have regressed. When they built the Victoria Line back in the 1960s they made interchange so easy. Amid Beeching, and the general decline during that period, the Victoria Line shines as a real achievement. One can only assume that what makes construction easier for the engineers and maybe saves a few weeks or months, takes priority over what will make life easier for hundreds of millions of passengers over the next couple of centuries. |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:46:51 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:21:31 +0000 e27002 aurora wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:14:31 +0000 (UTC), wrote: As an aside - I wonder why the lines at waterloo were never linked to the charing X line at waterloo east? They're at the same level and can't be more than 50 metres apart at closest approach. It would have created a south river line following the river (more or less) from richmond out to gravesend. They were, once - until 1911, but it required a moveable bridge section of the concourse to reach platforms in the main Waterloo station that were East of the connection. It was taken out of service because it was rarely used. |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:21:31 +0000 e27002 aurora wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:14:31 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:26:29 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 09:57:53 on Thu, 14 Dec 2017, remarked: Anybody arriving at King's Cross St Pancras Underground station is equally badly off, unless they arrive on the Metropolitan (etc) platforms. Other cities do their best to make sure the interchange between lines is as short as possible. In London we seem to deliberately do the opposite. The new thameslink platform at St P, the jubilee line at waterloo which seems to be half a mile from anything else and requires a travalator are good examples. The station at Waterloo is going to be under the Charing Cross Line beneath Waterloo East; rather than under the old Eurostar platforms and north end of the concourse. I don't know the specific reason for this. As an aside - I wonder why the lines at waterloo were never linked to the charing X line at waterloo east? They're at the same level and can't be more than 50 metres apart at closest approach. It would have created a south river line following the river (more or less) from richmond out to gravesend. Strangely LT/LRT/TfL have regressed. When they built the Victoria Line back in the 1960s they made interchange so easy. Amid Beeching, and the general decline during that period, the Victoria Line shines as a real achievement. One can only assume that what makes construction easier for the engineers and maybe saves a few weeks or months, takes priority over what will make life easier for hundreds of millions of passengers over the next couple of centuries. Apparently, the Victoria line was subsequently criticised for inadequate capacity in the stations, so the JLE was designed to have large, high capacity stations, even though this meant some platforms were well separated from others in the station. Some were OK (Canada Water, Canning Town, Stratford, Westminster, West Ham), others less so (Waterloo, London Bridge, Canary Wharf). |
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