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I know the name of the rail company taking over ALL train services from
Liverpoool Street today is "One". [www.onerailway.com] BUT - Was my friend winding me up today (1/1/04) when he said the tannoy announcement he heard this morning at London LS, instead of being "the 0730 First Great Eastern service to ....." was changed to "the 0730 'One' service to ....." ?!! Annoying if you arrive 30 seconds "early" to find the train gone half a minute ago. Confusing if true, but I DO know what the date is, Mike!! |
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I know the name of the rail company taking over ALL train services from
Liverpoool Street today is "One". [www.onerailway.com] Though since they seem to have four different brandings "four" would have been more appropriate. Or better still "Four". It is very awkward having all lower case names when you want to start a sentence with them. BUT - Was my friend winding me up today (1/1/04) when he said the tannoy announcement he heard this morning at London LS, instead of being "the 0730 First Great Eastern service to ....." was changed to "the 0730 'One' service to ....." ?!! I don't think he was as a similar comment has appeared on uk.railway. |
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MorrisJ2 ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : BUT - Was my friend winding me up today (1/1/04) when he said the tannoy announcement he heard this morning at London LS, instead of being "the 0730 First Great Eastern service to ....." was changed to "the 0730 'One' service to ....." ?!! I don't think he is winding you up - SWMBO commented on a similar announcement at Stratford - "the six oh one one service..." Confusing if true, but I DO know what the date is, Mike!! 1st of January, apparently...? |
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Graham J wrote:
I know the name of the rail company taking over ALL train services from Liverpoool Street today is "One". [www.onerailway.com] Though since they seem to have four different brandings "four" would have been more appropriate. Or better still "Four". It is very awkward having all lower case names when you want to start a sentence with them. It's also misleading to call their website onerailway.com, implying vertical integration (trains + track). I note that most uses of the name on their website are given as 'one', in single quotes, which at least makes a clear distinction from the pronoun or number one. The National Express Group press release has 'One' at the beginning of sentences, but the website has lower case throughout, so they haven't got consistent standards for their own brand yet. It's certainly the winner so far in the growing competition to devise the most inappropriate, irrelevant and confusing name for your business. Personally I would have preferred Great Eastern Trains, but I suppose that was too simple. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"MorrisJ2" wrote in message ... I know the name of the rail company taking over ALL train services from Liverpoool Street today is "One". [www.onerailway.com] BUT - Was my friend winding me up today (1/1/04) when he said the tannoy announcement he heard this morning at London LS, instead of being "the 0730 First Great Eastern service to ....." was changed to "the 0730 'One' service to ....." ?!! And how much did they pay for this masterpiece of rebranding, I wonder? -- Brian "What's the point in growing up if you can't behave like a kid when you want to." |
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I note that most uses of the name on their website are given as 'one',
in single quotes, which at least makes a clear distinction from the pronoun or number one. The National Express Group press release has 'One' at the beginning of sentences, but the website has lower case throughout, so they haven't got consistent standards for their own brand yet. Especially as it is an abbreviation for Operated by National Express, so maybe it should be ONE or, even worse O.N.E. (does anyone put the dots in any more?) -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Railway Information, News & Photos check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk "Loving First Great Western Link since 2004" |
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"Richard J." wrote in message
... It's certainly the winner so far in the growing competition to devise the most inappropriate, irrelevant and confusing name for your business. Personally I would have preferred Great Eastern Trains, but I suppose that was too simple. The fact that they have used brands like One Great Eastern, One Anglia, One West Anglia, and One Stansted is what it most confusing, it looks as if there are still 4 companies operating out of LST, but with some clumsy brand applied, plus the idea of having a WA and WAGN at Cambridge must be even more confusing. Plus the idea of one Great Eastern sounds daft, there was only 1 Great Eastern in the past! A simple name which covered the whole area, I.e their proper company name London (&) Eastern Railway, or Eastern Regional Trains, or some on would have been better, it would have given all the separate a new combined identity. |
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The fact that they have used brands like One Great Eastern, One Anglia, One West Anglia, and One Stansted is what it most confusing, it looks as if there are still 4 companies operating out of LST, but with some clumsy brand applied, plus the idea of having a WA and WAGN at Cambridge must be even more confusing. Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Railway? Niklas -- "Kids have it easy today. All they have to listen to is stories about how back in the '70s we had to listen to stories about how bad it was back in the '30s." -- Keith Lynch |
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"Niklas Karlsson" wrote in message ... In article , Darren wrote: The fact that they have used brands like One Great Eastern, One Anglia, One West Anglia, and One Stansted is what it most confusing, it looks as if there are still 4 companies operating out of LST, but with some clumsy brand applied, plus the idea of having a WA and WAGN at Cambridge must be even more confusing. Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Railway? Niklas Ein Bahn, surely? Grins, ducks & runs -- Cheers, Steve. If The Good Lord had meant for us to be fiscally prudent, He would not have given us the platinum credit card... Change colour to PC Plod's lights to reply. |
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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
... three of the four machines out of action when I was there in the morning. One was still out of service in the evening. LOL. One is very confused by your statement! -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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In message , MorrisJ2
writes I know the name of the rail company taking over ALL train services from Liverpoool Street today is "One". [www.onerailway.com] One for sorrow? Magpie Railways maybe..... -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In Cambridge it's a total disaster. One run the station but the rump WAGN still run most of the trains including all the fast ones. Their staff are no longer allowed to sell tickets on the station so there were severely limited facilities on Thursday with three of the four machines out of action when I was there in the morning. One was still out of service in the evening. The One web site live arrivals and departures only includes One services even though the other franchises involved (WAGN and Central) are also National Express owned. Please tell me the above is a joke and not reality? The above nonsense should be sent to the Chairman of National Express telling him to sort his bunch of management clowns out. Name and address? While First are not exactly my favourite company I still think it was a mistake to give the whole of the Anglia franchise to National Express. First seemed to do a decent job of running First Great Eastern and I certainly would not have objected to them running the Chingford Line into Liverpool St. Still Mr Bowker knows best I guess. National Express seemed to run WAGN OK since they took over the franchise from Prism. I'm on the County Council's Rail Strategy group and raised concerns about fragmented management at Cambridge with the SRA and National Express. I am indeed extremely disappointed to find this on the first day of the franchise. I'll see how things develop this week. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"MorrisJ2" wrote in message
... I know the name of the rail company taking over ALL train services from Liverpoool Street today is "One". [www.onerailway.com] Or as the leaflet says "*Except for services operated by c2c from Liverpool St" y direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Railway Information, News & Photos check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk "Loving First Great Western Link since 2004" |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote: On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In Cambridge it's a total disaster. One run the station but the rump WAGN still run most of the trains including all the fast ones. Their staff are no longer allowed to sell tickets on the station so there were severely limited facilities on Thursday with three of the four machines out of action when I was there in the morning. One was still out of service in the evening. The One web site live arrivals and departures only includes One services even though the other franchises involved (WAGN and Central) are also National Express owned. Please tell me the above is a joke and not reality? The above nonsense should be sent to the Chairman of National Express telling him to sort his bunch of management clowns out. Name and address? Phil White CBE Chief Executive National Express Group plc 75 Davies Street London W1K 5HT -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (MorrisJ2) wrote: I know the name of the rail company taking over ALL train services from Liverpoool Street today is "One". [www.onerailway.com] snip The One web site live arrivals and departures only includes One services even though the other franchises involved (WAGN and Central) are also National Express owned. This is the bit that gets me. One railway, one brand etc etc. But then they've excluded the GN of WAGN and Central. I can understand that this 'One' brand is current for the Eastern region only, and hence Central isn't included, but the exclusion of WAGN is quite irritating. Good luck with chasing the CEO, Colin. Sam -- Sam Holloway, Cambridge |
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"Sam Holloway" wrote in message ... This is the bit that gets me. One railway, one brand etc etc. But then they've excluded the GN of WAGN and Central. I can understand that this 'One' brand is current for the Eastern region only, and hence Central isn't included, but the exclusion of WAGN is quite irritating. There's a very simple reason. Although the current rump WAGN is also run by National Express, the long-term intention is to incorporate it into an enlarged Thameslink franchise, when Thameslink 2100 (if?) comes about. Therefore the SRA are hedging their bets, avoiding the expense of merging WAGN into 'ONE' and then having to de-merge it at a later date. Nevertheless, the apparent lack of co-operation and bloody-mindedness that appears to be going on between the National Express subsidiary 'ONE' and the National Express subsidiary WAGN is positively astounding! |
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There's a very simple reason. Although the current rump WAGN is also run
by National Express, the long-term intention is to incorporate it into an enlarged Thameslink franchise, when Thameslink 2100 (if?) comes about. Therefore the SRA are hedging their bets, avoiding the expense of merging WAGN into 'ONE' and then having to de-merge it at a later date. Nevertheless, the apparent lack of co-operation and bloody-mindedness that appears to be going on between the National Express subsidiary 'ONE' and the National Express subsidiary WAGN is positively astounding! (WA)GN will be merged with ThamesLink when both their franchises run out in 2 years |
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"Brian Watson" wrote: [snip] And how much did they pay for this masterpiece of rebranding, I wonder? About one.million -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... (WA)GN will be merged with ThamesLink when both their franchises run out in 2 years Not necessarily. There may be a further extension of the existing franchise. If TL2000 does not go ahead at all then there is also the possibility of WAGN being absorbed into the ICEC franchise. |
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In the letter can you ask him if it was him, or one of his staff (with no
design sense what so ever) was given a packet of crayons for Christmas, and if their drawings somehow made it into the paint shop :p |
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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... The GN of WAGN will have a connection to Thameslink from 2007. A physical connection, that is. |
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:59:17 +0100, "Jack Taylor"
wrote: "Sam Holloway" wrote in message .. . This is the bit that gets me. One railway, one brand etc etc. But then they've excluded the GN of WAGN and Central. I can understand that this 'One' brand is current for the Eastern region only, and hence Central isn't included, but the exclusion of WAGN is quite irritating. There's a very simple reason. Although the current rump WAGN is also run by National Express, the long-term intention is to incorporate it into an enlarged Thameslink franchise, when Thameslink 2100 (if?) comes about. Therefore the SRA are hedging their bets, avoiding the expense of merging WAGN into 'ONE' and then having to de-merge it at a later date. Yes, that may be the underlying reason, but as a passenger (or customer), I couldn't care less about that. Glad to see that those in charge are putting the burecracy ahead of the paying passengers yet again. Does that mean, then, that the other Eastern franchises making up 'One' have been merged? I didn't think that was the case. I'm well aware of how the same parent company operating many franchises has to have some degree of separation between them, but I thought that was still the case *within* One? Nevertheless, the apparent lack of co-operation and bloody-mindedness that appears to be going on between the National Express subsidiary 'ONE' and the National Express subsidiary WAGN is positively astounding! Definitely - it seems as if they're going out of their way not to help. :-( Sam -- Sam Holloway, Cambridge |
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"Sam Holloway" wrote in message ... Does that mean, then, that the other Eastern franchises making up 'One' have been merged? I didn't think that was the case. I'm well aware of how the same parent company operating many franchises has to have some degree of separation between them, but I thought that was still the case *within* One? I would imagine that from day 1, as the parts of the new franchise are coming from different operators, it would make sense to take them over and operate them as separate entities, with a view to merging duplicating roles and responsibilities as the franchise progresses. Certainly that is the way in which takeovers have always been handled IME. Trying to take over two other businesses and merge operations from day 1 would be an operational nightmare and a guaranteed recipe for disaster. |
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Jack Taylor wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... The GN of WAGN will have a connection to Thameslink from 2007. A physical connection, that is. Yes... so will they actually be able to run trains across it or would that require TL2K's signalling upgrade? -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:42:19 +0100, Sam Holloway
wrote: Does that mean, then, that the other Eastern franchises making up 'One' have been merged? I didn't think that was the case. I'm well aware of how the same parent company operating many franchises has to have some degree of separation between them, but I thought that was still the case *within* One? Depends on your definition of "merged". There is now only one franchise and one contract to cover 2½ former franchises - therefore there has been a merger in that sense. There have been route directors appointed that I assume follow the sub branding with the "One" brand. Whether the organisation has been merged yet I very much doubt and we will have the fun and games brigade from RMT and ASLEF seeking to merge the staff's Ts and Cs to the highest common level pretty soon. National Express have a monumental task ahead of them if they are to wring out enough efficiency / savings / extra revenue to pay the premium back to the SRA that is required from their bid. Expect an interesting version of typical National Express staffing levels being applied to former Anglia and First Greater Eastern areas along with cutbacks in "competing" services e.g. Ipswich. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
... National Express have a monumental task ahead of them if they are to wring out enough efficiency / savings / extra revenue to pay the premium back to the SRA that is required from their bid. Expect an interesting version of typical National Express staffing levels being applied to former Anglia and First Greater Eastern areas along with cutbacks in "competing" services e.g. Ipswich. Its not going to be a good six months or so for Staff, with cuts looming to save money in an attempt to pay the SRA what they have promosed, which I believe is just short of £1 Million Per week. I'm not sure on how the SRA works exactly, but isnt the advise that if you are putting a job out to contract (for anything), its advisable not to just go for the one which can promise the most for the least amount of money, which accoding to GB Railways at the time, is what the SRA have done with NX. I think the GB Railways would have been the best option, whatever the cost, they seem to have the best attitude towards things, customers and staff, as their record with Anglia proved, plus with the backing of First Group it could have been good. Oh well..... |
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"Darren" ] wrote in message ... I'm not sure on how the SRA works exactly, but isnt the advise that if you are putting a job out to contract (for anything), its advisable not to just go for the one which can promise the most for the least amount of money, which accoding to GB Railways at the time, is what the SRA have done with NX. Sadly that appears to be the only criterion that the SRA are currently using. Therefore it looks as though we can expect some further surprises, possibly with the imminent reallocation of the Inter City East Coast (ICEC) franchise, currently held by Sea Containers and operated as Great North Eastern Railway. |
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(Darren) wrote: In the letter can you ask him if it was him, or one of his staff (with no design sense what so ever) was given a packet of crayons for Christmas, and if their drawings somehow made it into the paint shop :p The latest is the Cambridge station signs which say "Cambridge one". Is that as in "Free the cambridge one"? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message ... In message "Brian Watson" wrote: [snip] And how much did they pay for this masterpiece of rebranding, I wonder? About one.million Thanks. I always wondered what "money going down a plughole" sounded like. -- Brian "Happy St George's Day. It either is, just was, or soon will be." |
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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
... The latest is the Cambridge station signs which say "Cambridge one". Is that as in "Free the cambridge one"? Somebody's painted over the middle two words - it is supposed to read "Cambridge nil, Bureaucracy one" -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:07:59 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:42:19 +0100, Sam Holloway wrote: Does that mean, then, that the other Eastern franchises making up 'One' have been merged? I didn't think that was the case. I'm well aware of how the same parent company operating many franchises has to have some degree of separation between them, but I thought that was still the case *within* One? Depends on your definition of "merged". There is now only one franchise and one contract to cover 2½ former franchises - therefore there has been a merger in that sense. Thanks, Paul - that was the question I didn't have the answer to. I wasn't sure whether this was a group rebranding or whether the franchises really had merged (as in one contract). I suppose that gives them an excuse to keep the GN out of One. But still, from the passengers' point of view, it's not a good way to go about. :-( Sam -- Sam Holloway, Cambridge |
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"Sam Holloway" wrote in message ... Thanks, Paul - that was the question I didn't have the answer to. I wasn't sure whether this was a group rebranding or whether the franchises really had merged (as in one contract). I suppose that gives them an excuse to keep the GN out of One. But still, from the passengers' point of view, it's not a good way to go about. :-( To be entirely accurate (and a *little* pedantic) the former Anglia franchise and the Great Eastern franchise reached their expiry dates at 31st March 2004. From 1st April the West Anglia Great Northern franchise had a contract variation issued that removed West Anglia (Liverpool Street) services from it - but otherwise the WAGN franchise continues to the existing expiry date. From that date the previous franchise boundaries disappeared from the SRA's franchise map. From 1st April an *entirely new* Greater Anglia franchise was let, covering the areas formerly operated as the Anglia, GE franchises and the WA portion of WAGN. National Express won the bidding (who happen to be the incumbent operators of the WAGN franchise). So, strictly speaking, any use of the word 'merge' is not accurate. The old contracts died at expiry and this is a completely new franchise contract covering a redefined area. I just feel that it's important to clarify these points (not specifically to you, Sam) as many people still get confused by the difference between the franchise and the franchise operator and, as this is a general transport newsgroup, rather than a specific railway newsgroup, there may be more readers here that are unclear about the structure. HTH |
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Colin Rosenstiel writes to go anywhere useful beyond St Pancras Surely that will also require the rebuilding at Blackfriars and London Bridge. Are either of those expected to be done by 2007? -- Roland Perry |
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