On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 05:28:16PM +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote:

I do wonder as and when we move to primarily electric vehicles whether
that will change the desirability of a large chunk of London housing
which is close to major roads - if the noise reduces dramatically and
the pollution pretty much disappears...

See the chart on page 8 of this:
http://www.ukna.org.uk/uploads/4/1/4...ffic_noise.pdf

In summary, at 30mph and higher most traffic noise is not coming from
the engine. For newer vehicles (including internal combustion vehicles,
not just electrics) tyre noise predominates at lower speeds.

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In message , at 09:07:25 on Wed, 4 Jul
2018, remarked:

Seems to me the range and performance of electric vehicles is now good enough
for most people. The problem is charging. Along with probably the majority of
people in this country I don't have a driveway

Nor for many of them, a mains supply rated at 60A+ to feed a charger, if
more than about one in ten houses has such a charger.

and trailing a cable out into the street across the pavement simply
isn't an option, nor is sitting at a service station for 2 hours.

You appear to made a significant lifestyle choice in the characteristics
of your residence.
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Roland Perry

On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:16:39 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:07:25 on Wed, 4 Jul
2018, remarked:

Seems to me the range and performance of electric vehicles is now good enough
for most people. The problem is charging. Along with probably the majority of
people in this country I don't have a driveway

Nor for many of them, a mains supply rated at 60A+ to feed a charger, if
more than about one in ten houses has such a charger.

and trailing a cable out into the street across the pavement simply
isn't an option, nor is sitting at a service station for 2 hours.

You appear to made a significant lifestyle choice in the characteristics
of your residence.

Eh? With houses you buy what you can afford, which isn't necessarily the ideal.
If I could have afforded a 5 bed in Esher I'd have bought one.

On 04/07/2018 12:16, Roland Perry wrote:

You appear to made a significant lifestyle choice in the characteristics
of your residence.

Such as not earning enough, you mean?

In Central London, unless you have a million or more to spare, all you
get is a flat or terraced house, and while there may be a car park under
the block, installing a charger in "your" parking slot is likely to be
forbidden.

Of course, housing is cheaper in Birmingham or Manchester, but then
again, wages are much lower, so most of us will have the same problem there.
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John Williamson wrote:
On 04/07/2018 10:07, wrote:

Seems to me the range and performance of electric vehicles is now good enough
for most people. The problem is charging. Along with probably the majority of
people in this country I don't have a driveway and trailing a cable out into
the street across the pavement simply isn't an option, nor is sitting at
a service station for 2 hours.

In a number of residential areas, they are now installing kerbside fast
chargers for residents to use.

The other side of it is that where there used to be a single charging
system, with connectors for all cars available and a single payment
method, which was academic, as they were mostly free, increased
popularity has led to queueing for charging points, and a number of
incompatible systems to pay for the charge, with Visa not being an
option, so electric car drivers now need to have a number of accounts
to ensure they can get a charge (Unless they are Tesla drivers, in which
case, they can only use Tesla chargers...(Are Tesla the Apple of the
electric car world?)).

That’s what Tesla wants to be, but there’s one minor problem: while Apple
is hugely profitable and generates billions in free cash, Tesla is hugely
loss-making, and consumes billions of cash. Apple outsources its
manufacturing to highly competent low cost suppliers in Asia; Tesla makes
its cars itself, very inefficiently, in expensive California.

A number of major manufacturers have now formed a consortium to roll out a
standard, high speed charging network. Most EVs are likely to be compatible
with it.

https://qz.com/1119770/german-carmakers-and-ford-launch-ionity-joint-venture-to-set-up-a-european-network-of-ultra-fast-ev-charging-stations/

http://www.21stcentech.com/shell-acquires-ev-charging-provider-joins-car-consortium-build-ev-station-network-europe/

http://nissaninsider.co.uk/nissan-leading-consortium-planning-network-of-rapid-chargers/

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:41:36 +0100
John Williamson wrote:
On 04/07/2018 10:07, wrote:

Seems to me the range and performance of electric vehicles is now good enough

for most people. The problem is charging. Along with probably the majority of

people in this country I don't have a driveway and trailing a cable out into
the street across the pavement simply isn't an option, nor is sitting at
a service station for 2 hours.

In a number of residential areas, they are now installing kerbside fast
chargers for residents to use.

The obvious problem with those is some kids coming along late at night and
finding it hilarious to unplug all the cars in a road so no one has charge
in the morning. Unless they factor in the human element with secure locking
systems it just won't work.

to ensure they can get a charge (Unless they are Tesla drivers, in which
case, they can only use Tesla chargers...(Are Tesla the Apple of the
electric car world?)).

Their car interiors certainly give that impression. All a bit minimalist with
a nice looking but not very usable dashboard. Putting every single function
into a touchscreen is just idiotic - I don't want to have to pull over just
to change the feckin aircon setting, never mind the radio.

That's only the "low cost" [ie, not really] Model 3.

On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 09:07:25 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Seems to me the range and performance of electric vehicles is now good enough
for most people. The problem is charging. Along with probably the majority of
people in this country I don't have a driveway and trailing a cable out into
the street across the pavement simply isn't an option, nor is sitting at
a service station for 2 hours.

The majority of homes (in England) have a garage (40%) or other off street parking (26%).

https://assets.publishing.service.go...48/2173483.pdf
English Housing Survey HOMES 2010 2.33

I agree it's a problem for a third of homes though.

What I haven't seen is the figures further broken down by car
ownership. 23% of households don't have cars which might overlap with
the 34% without off-road parking.

In message , at 12:37:52 on Wed, 4 Jul
2018, John Williamson remarked:

You appear to made a significant lifestyle choice in the
characteristics of your residence.

Such as not earning enough, you mean?

In Central London, unless you have a million or more to spare, all you
get is a flat or terraced house, and while there may be a car park
under the block, installing a charger in "your" parking slot is likely
to be forbidden.

Of course, housing is cheaper in Birmingham or Manchester, but then
again, wages are much lower, so most of us will have the same problem
there.

There's plenty of places in between, where people have made the
lifestyle choice of a reasonable house, plus perhaps a 1hr each way
commute to London.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:37:52 +0100, John Williamson wrote:
In Central London, unless you have a million or more to spare, all you
get is a flat or terraced house, and while there may be a car park under
the block, installing a charger in "your" parking slot is likely to be
forbidden.

That will change. Property management companies will soon spot the
opportunity to install one using their approved installers at a healthy
margin and then bill you for the additional electricity supply too.

In message , at 17:34:43 on
Wed, 4 Jul 2018, David Walters remarked:
In Central London, unless you have a million or more to spare, all you
get is a flat or terraced house, and while there may be a car park under
the block, installing a charger in "your" parking slot is likely to be
forbidden.

That will change. Property management companies will soon spot the
opportunity to install one using their approved installers at a healthy
margin and then bill you for the additional electricity supply too.

What ?!?! The electricity to charge an electric car isn't free?

Another myth exploded.
--
Roland Perry