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What will happen to KX Thameslink?
I was thinking today, what is going to happen to the existing Kings Cross
Thameslink when the new underground St. Pancras station opens? Will they still leave it connected to the system as an alternate route when the new line is closed, or maybe use it for freight? Daniel. -- email : heliomass (at) lykos (dot) co (dot) uk replace the 'k' with a 'c' in "lykos" |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Heliomass" wrote in message
... Will they still leave it connected to the system as an alternate route when the new line is closed, or maybe use it for freight? There is no new line. The new station will be built around the existing line, and when the new station opens, the trains will still run through the closed station without stopping. Note that a similar thing happened to the Circle Line in the 1940s: the Circle platforms at what is now Kings Cross Thameslink closed, but the Circle Line trains continue to run past those platforms without stopping. (The only difference is that the new Circle station was created by separating the running tracks and putting a new island where the old tracks had been - at St Pancras Midland Road, the new platforms will be built outside of the existing pair of tracks.) -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Heliomass" wrote in message
I was thinking today, what is going to happen to the existing Kings Cross Thameslink when the new underground St. Pancras station opens? Blown off the face of the earth I hope. It has to be the worst station on the UK rail network in terms of facilities and environment in relation to the number of passengers using it. If I understood a recent Modern Railways itme correctly, there is presently some doubt as to whether or not the new KX-SP-CTRL station will be completed ahead of TL2000 works. As the latter has yet to be authorised, I interpreted that as it may not be opened. I hope thats either wrong or I mis-read it. -- Nick -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
There is no new line. The new station will be built around the existing
line, and when the new station opens, the trains will still run through the closed station without stopping. What, so the station will be closed forever? If, so when does it close. I was there yesterday and found it very annoying that there is an underground tunnel linking Kings X and ThamesLink, but no mention of it above ground. -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Railway Information, News & Photos check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk "Loving First Great Western Link since 2004" |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Joe" wrote in message ... I was there yesterday and found it very annoying that there is an underground tunnel linking Kings X and ThamesLink, but no mention of it above ground. To use it you have to have a ticket valid on the Underground because you have to go through an Underground gateline and the route is much slower and more convoluted than the above ground way. The weather would have to be really atrocious for it to be a sensible route when starting at ground level. Dave. |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
To use it you have to have a ticket valid on the Underground because you
have to go through an Underground gateline and the route is much slower and more convoluted than the above ground way. The weather would have to be really atrocious for it to be a sensible route when starting at ground level. When coming off a ThamesLink train, it was much better and more convenient I found to transfer to the VictoriaLine. -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Railway Information, News & Photos check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk "Loving First Great Western Link since 2004" |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Joe" wrote in message ... To use it you have to have a ticket valid on the Underground because you have to go through an Underground gateline and the route is much slower and more convoluted than the above ground way. The weather would have to be really atrocious for it to be a sensible route when starting at ground level. When coming off a ThamesLink train, it was much better and more convenient I found to transfer to the VictoriaLine. Yes, well it would be. But that's not what the post was in reply to. It is not better or convenient to go the underground route from Kings Cross concourse to Kings Cross Thameslink concourse. Dave. |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Joe" wrote in message
... When coming off a ThamesLink train, it was much better and more convenient I found to transfer to the VictoriaLine. Yes, but the underground route between the tube and Thameslink *is* signposted from all deep tube platforms and also from the Thameslink end. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Dave Liney" wrote in message ... To use it you have to have a ticket valid on the Underground because you have to go through an Underground gateline and the route is much slower and more convoluted than the above ground way. The weather would have to be really atrocious for it to be a sensible route when starting at ground level. If you have a ticketvalid for a through journey that involves changing from Kings Cross or St Pancras to Kings Cross Thameslink, you almost certainly have a ticket with LUL validity. Are there any tickets which will work the gates at KXTL but not at KX (LUL)? Peter |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
My understanding is that the new St Pancras Thameslink station is
opening next year. The line is being split in September to facilatate work with trains from the south terminating at Kings Cross Thameslink( a crossover is being constructed) or Blackfriars. Trains from the north will run into the new part of St Pncras being constructed on it's east side. I for one hope that Kings Cross Thameslink remains open when St Pancras Thamselink station opens as it provides useful connections to the Underground which the new station will not have. Although they will be a quite near each other the distance will still be further then between Blackfriars and City Thameslink. Though Kings Cross Thameslink will have to close if train lengths ever got increased to 12, nevertheless while the whole Thameslink 2000 project remains in abeyance they should not close the station. Martin "Nick Lawford" wrote in message news:31ff6b3c5fc212b9199ef76416437c9f.97781@mygat e.mailgate.org... "Heliomass" wrote in message I was thinking today, what is going to happen to the existing Kings Cross Thameslink when the new underground St. Pancras station opens? Blown off the face of the earth I hope. It has to be the worst station on the UK rail network in terms of facilities and environment in relation to the number of passengers using it. If I understood a recent Modern Railways itme correctly, there is presently some doubt as to whether or not the new KX-SP-CTRL station will be completed ahead of TL2000 works. As the latter has yet to be authorised, I interpreted that as it may not be opened. I hope thats either wrong or I mis-read it. -- Nick |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
Martin Whelton wrote:
My understanding is that the new St Pancras Thameslink station is opening next year. The line is being split in September to facilatate work with trains from the south terminating at Kings Cross Thameslink( a crossover is being constructed) or Blackfriars. Trains from the north will run into the new part of St Pncras being constructed on it's east side. I for one hope that Kings Cross Thameslink remains open when St Pancras Thamselink station opens as it provides useful connections to the Underground which the new station will not have. Which useful connections to LU will St Pancras Thameslink "not have"? Or are you just saying that some will be less convenient? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
Nick Lawford wrote:
"Heliomass" wrote in message I was thinking today, what is going to happen to the existing Kings Cross Thameslink when the new underground St. Pancras station opens? Blown off the face of the earth I hope. It has to be the worst station on the UK rail network in terms of facilities and environment in relation to the number of passengers using it. If I understood a recent Modern Railways itme correctly, there is presently some doubt as to whether or not the new KX-SP-CTRL station will be completed ahead of TL2000 works. As the latter has yet to be authorised, I interpreted that as it may not be opened. I hope thats either wrong or I mis-read it. The Thameslink route is being closed for six months over the summer with trains to/from the north terminating at St Pancras and to/from the south terminating at King's Cross Thameslink - so I hope they're building the station in the meantime otherwise it's a waste of time! AIUI St Pancras Midland Road should be ready way before TL2K. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
Dave Arquati wrote:
(snip) The Thameslink route is being closed for six months over the summer with trains to/from the north terminating at St Pancras and to/from the south terminating at King's Cross Thameslink - so I hope they're building the station in the meantime otherwise it's a waste of time! ....and by summer of course I mean summer in the southern hemisphere. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Nick Lawford" wrote in message news:31ff6b3c5fc212b9199ef76416437c9f.97781@mygat e.mailgate.org...
Blown off the face of the earth I hope. It has to be the worst station on the UK rail network in terms of facilities and environment in relation to the number of passengers using it. HEAR HEAR ! Sorry to shout but it is worth it in this case. If I understood a recent Modern Railways itme correctly, there is presently some doubt as to whether or not the new KX-SP-CTRL station will be completed ahead of TL2000 works. As the latter has yet to be authorised, I interpreted that as it may not be opened. I hope thats either wrong or I mis-read it. Indeed ! -- Nick Fat Richard |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Martin Whelton" wrote in message
om... I for one hope that Kings Cross Thameslink remains open when St Pancras Thamselink station opens as it provides useful connections to the Underground which the new station will not have. Although they will be a quite near each other the distance will still be further then between Blackfriars and City Thameslink. Though Kings Cross Thameslink will have to close if train lengths ever got increased to 12, nevertheless while the whole Thameslink 2000 project remains in abeyance they should not close the station. Faringdon is a far better interchange with LU. The odds are that you can get from there to where you want to be quicker than walking from the new Thameslink St Pancras station. -- Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society 75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm E-mail: URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:09:11 +0100, "Dave Liney"
wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... I was there yesterday and found it very annoying that there is an underground tunnel linking Kings X and ThamesLink, but no mention of it above ground. To use it you have to have a ticket valid on the Underground because you have to go through an Underground gateline and the route is much slower and more convoluted than the above ground way. The weather would have to be really atrocious for it to be a sensible route when starting at ground level. Dave. And a devil of a slope, quite a sod after a long days hiking!! Keith J Chesworth www.unseenlondon.co.uk www.blackpooltram.co.uk www.happysnapper.com www.boilerbill.com - main site www.amerseyferry.co.uk |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
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What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Martin Whelton" wrote in message
om My understanding is that the new St Pancras Thameslink station is opening next year. The line is being split in September to facilatate Incorrect. The new SP TL station is not due to be opened until 2007. All that is being done for now is building the station box. TL trains on re-instatemnt of the through route after the current planned service split revert to situation as it is now. -- Nick -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
The Thameslink route is being closed for six months over the summer with trains to/from the north terminating at St Pancras and to/from the south terminating at King's Cross Thameslink - so I hope they're building the station in the meantime otherwise it's a waste of time! No. They are building the station box not the station. When TL re-opens as a through route after the possession you coreectly describe, TL continues with operationas it is now, the exisitng KX TL, not any new station. The new station is not due to open until 2007 when SP opens for CTRL. What the item in Modern Railways says is that SRA has yet to find the funds for equipping to new TL station. No funds = no station. No station = no 12 cars. etc. etc. -- Nick -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Nick Lawford" wrote in message
news:ec60577a21ba32e23aaf6c28b9048450.97781@mygate .mailgate.org... "Dave Arquati" wrote in message The Thameslink route is being closed for six months over the summer with trains to/from the north terminating at St Pancras and to/from the south terminating at King's Cross Thameslink - so I hope they're building the station in the meantime otherwise it's a waste of time! No. They are building the station box not the station. When TL re-opens as a through route after the possession you coreectly describe, TL continues with operationas it is now, the exisitng KX TL, not any new station. The new station is not due to open until 2007 when SP opens for CTRL. What the item in Modern Railways says is that SRA has yet to find the funds for equipping to new TL station. No funds = no station. No station = no 12 cars. etc. etc. Presumably if the opening of the new station was delayed, the existing one would remain in service for longer - or are there plans to close the old one come what may, potentially leaving KX/SP without a Thameslink station for a while? |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
You obviously do not have much experience of the Kings Cross area!,
yes the station is not perfect but it is a hell of a lot better then some on the network and when it closes it will mean at least an extra 10 minutes walk to work for me from the new location. I would probably use the underground instead. Martin (Fat Richard) wrote in message . com... "Nick Lawford" wrote in message news:31ff6b3c5fc212b9199ef76416437c9f.97781@mygat e.mailgate.org... Blown off the face of the earth I hope. It has to be the worst station on the UK rail network in terms of facilities and environment in relation to the number of passengers using it. HEAR HEAR ! Sorry to shout but it is worth it in this case. If I understood a recent Modern Railways itme correctly, there is presently some doubt as to whether or not the new KX-SP-CTRL station will be completed ahead of TL2000 works. As the latter has yet to be authorised, I interpreted that as it may not be opened. I hope thats either wrong or I mis-read it. Indeed ! -- Nick Fat Richard |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Nick Lawford" wrote in message news:31ff6b3c5fc212b9199ef76416437c9f.97781@mygat e.mailgate.org...
"Heliomass" wrote in message I was thinking today, what is going to happen to the existing Kings Cross Thameslink when the new underground St. Pancras station opens? Blown off the face of the earth I hope. It has to be the worst station on the UK rail network in terms of facilities and environment in relation to the number of passengers using it. If I understood a recent Modern Railways itme correctly, there is presently some doubt as to whether or not the new KX-SP-CTRL station will be completed ahead of TL2000 works. As the latter has yet to be authorised, I interpreted that as it may not be opened. I hope thats either wrong or I mis-read it. -- Nick Martin Whelton wrote: My understanding is that the new St Pancras Thameslink station is opening next year. The line is being split in September to facilatate work with trains from the south terminating at Kings Cross Thameslink( a crossover is being constructed) or Blackfriars. Trains from the north will run into the new part of St Pncras being constructed on it's east side. I for one hope that Kings Cross Thameslink remains open when St Pancras Thamselink station opens as it provides useful connections to the Underground which the new station will not have. Although they will be a quite near each other the distance will still be further then between Blackfriars and City Thameslink. Though Kings Cross Thameslink will have to close if train lengths ever got increased to 12, nevertheless while the whole Thameslink 2000 project remains in abeyance they should not close the station. Martin Here's a thought - will the ticket office at King's Cross Thameslink remain open? I suppose the subway is staying open so the ticket office will have to - but will it be transferred to LU? -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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What will happen to KX Thameslink?
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(Terry Harper) wrote: "Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... In article , (Terry Harper) wrote: Faringdon is a far better interchange with LU. The odds are that you can get from there to where you want to be quicker than walking from the new Thameslink St Pancras station. Not from where I sit. Links from Thameslink to WAGN will not be easier as far as I can see. However, unless they improve Thameslink cross-London transit times it will still be quicker to go to Victoria and take the Victoria Line to the Cross. Rather undermines the point of Thameslink. Well, coming from the south, get off at Faringdon, over the bridge, next LU train to KX, nip up the stairs and you are in the concourse. Coming from the north, cross to the opposite face of the platform and do the same. Compared with a long trek and awkward road crossings it wins for me. If you have luggage, even more so. YMMV then. Still takes rather longer than using Victoria. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Here's a thought - will the ticket office at King's Cross Thameslink remain open? I suppose the subway is staying open so the ticket office will have to - but will it be transferred to LU? Why should they be transferred? |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message ... I doubt whether St P TL will open until the new LU booking halls at KX are in use. Hopefully the new Western (Met) ticket hall should open towards the latter part of this year. |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Martin Whelton" wrote in message
om You obviously do not have much experience of the Kings Cross area!, Ahem, would you like to extricate your foot from the dodo now or later ? Mr Howe WORKS there and commutes there. I Live in Luton and use TL regularly to interchange to various assorted LU journies. You may yourself have a particular journey that happnes to be suited to the present location of KX TL and made longer by its replacement, but I would suggest you are by a long way not in the majority. The present KX TL is an inadequate interchange, to tubes through crowded, to the Circle either via the same tunnels and more, or via street level in a not nice area. The new station fixes ALL of that. -- Nick -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Charles Ellson" wrote in message ... Over the years there has been a tendency for stations involving LT/LUL and other operators which effectively use the same booking hall to delegate the ticket issuing to a single operator, current examples being Highbury and Islington (LU issuing tickets for LU, VomitLink and er, the other lot) and Queens Park; for an example of how it used to be, a picture occasionally sighted in some books is of Richmond station with separate ticket issuing facilities for SR, LMS and LPTB. In the examples quoted, the stations have one main ticket hall. Stratford still has a ticket window staffed by fGE (or whatever they're called now) despite the station being transferred to LUL. |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
Robin Mayes wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Here's a thought - will the ticket office at King's Cross Thameslink remain open? I suppose the subway is staying open so the ticket office will have to - but will it be transferred to LU? Why should they be transferred? Because won't Thameslink have a completely new ticket office at St Pancras Midland Road? Would there be any point in them running that office at Pentonville Road when that entrance will only be particularly useful for the Victoria Line? -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Robin Mayes wrote: "Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Here's a thought - will the ticket office at King's Cross Thameslink remain open? I suppose the subway is staying open so the ticket office will have to - but will it be transferred to LU? Why should they be transferred? Because won't Thameslink have a completely new ticket office at St Pancras Midland Road? Would there be any point in them running that office at Pentonville Road when that entrance will only be particularly useful for the Victoria Line? The existing Kings Cross Thameslink platforms will remain open for the present time. This is where northbound trains from Brighton will terminate during the station case building works. If you're asking about the long term future, I'll enquire, but with an improved tube ticket hall, a new western ticket hall replacing the existing Metropolitan ticket hall and the strong possibility of a Northern ticket hall, I doubt LUL will require another ticket hall by 2007. |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
Robin Mayes wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Robin Mayes wrote: "Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Here's a thought - will the ticket office at King's Cross Thameslink remain open? I suppose the subway is staying open so the ticket office will have to - but will it be transferred to LU? Why should they be transferred? Because won't Thameslink have a completely new ticket office at St Pancras Midland Road? Would there be any point in them running that office at Pentonville Road when that entrance will only be particularly useful for the Victoria Line? The existing Kings Cross Thameslink platforms will remain open for the present time. This is where northbound trains from Brighton will terminate during the station case building works. If you're asking about the long term future, I'll enquire, but with an improved tube ticket hall, a new western ticket hall replacing the existing Metropolitan ticket hall and the strong possibility of a Northern ticket hall, I doubt LUL will require another ticket hall by 2007. I meant once KXTL is closed and StP MR is open. If that ticket office is closed then I imagine a member of (LU) staff will be still be required to man the gates - which would probably lead to restricted opening hours for that entrance. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... I meant once KXTL is closed and StP MR is open. If that ticket office is closed then I imagine a member of (LU) staff will be still be required to man the gates - which would probably lead to restricted opening hours for that entrance. When have you heard KXTL will close? |
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What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... I meant once KXTL is closed and StP MR is open. If that ticket office is closed then I imagine a member of (LU) staff will be still be required to man the gates - which would probably lead to restricted opening hours for that entrance. Isn't that entrance going to become an unmanned emergency exit only, once the TL platforms shut? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"John Rowland" wrote in message
... Isn't that entrance going to become an unmanned emergency exit only, once the TL platforms shut? So, in an emergency, out of the frying pan... |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Carl Bowman" wrote in message ... "John Rowland" wrote in message ... Isn't that entrance going to become an unmanned emergency exit only, once the TL platforms shut? So, in an emergency, out of the frying pan... ? |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Joe" wrote in message ... There is no new line. The new station will be built around the existing line, and when the new station opens, the trains will still run through the closed station without stopping. What, so the station will be closed forever? If, so when does it close. I was there yesterday and found it very annoying that there is an underground tunnel linking Kings X and ThamesLink, but no mention of it above ground. Because to use it, you have to have a ticket to go through the Picadilly gate at KGX. Marcus |
What will happen to KX Thameslink?
"Robin Mayes" wrote in message
.. . "Carl Bowman" wrote in message ... "John Rowland" wrote in message ... Isn't that entrance going to become an unmanned emergency exit only, once the TL platforms shut? So, in an emergency, out of the frying pan... ? The immediate vicinity of KX Thameslink is less than salubrious, so any passengers exiting a future closed KX Thameslink in the event of an emergency would not find themselves in an area of London village mentioned in the tourist guidebooks. |
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