The tube that's not a tube
 

https://www.citymetric.com/transport...bury-park-4277

The article is illustrated with a splendid example of a shabby GN 313,
with its previous FCC branding peeping out from underneath.

The tube that's not a tube
 

On Monday, 15 October 2018 15:18:20 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
https://www.citymetric.com/transport...bury-park-4277

The article is illustrated with a splendid example of a shabby GN 313,
with its previous FCC branding peeping out from underneath.

Many thanks.

The tube that's not a tube
 

In article , Recliner
writes
https://www.citymetric.com/transport...ern-city-line-
history-moorgate-finsbury-park-4277

At least two blatantly obvious errors in it, even though they cited my
web site.

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The tube that's not a tube
 

Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
In article , Recliner
writes
https://www.citymetric.com/transport...ern-city-line-
history-moorgate-finsbury-park-4277

At least two blatantly obvious errors in it, even though they cited my
web site.


Yes, it's quite a lightweight article, written by a generalist reporter,
but is quite a nice summary of the line's surprisingly complex history.

It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

The tube that's not a tube
 

In article ,
Recliner wrote:
It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It's on the rail and tube services map which is the useful one these
days.




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The tube that's not a tube
 

In message , at 03:03:02 on Tue, 16 Oct 2018,
John Levine remarked:

It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It's on the rail and tube services map which is the useful one these
days.

Showing it on tube maps would tend to lead people to expect a more
frequent service than it offers. For an inner zone line, anyway.
--
Roland Perry

The tube that's not a tube
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 03:03:02 on Tue, 16 Oct 2018,
John Levine remarked:

It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It's on the rail and tube services map which is the useful one these
days.

Showing it on tube maps would tend to lead people to expect a more
frequent service than it offers. For an inner zone line, anyway.

It's better than many LO services, which are shown. So that logic doesn't
work.

The tube that's not a tube
 

John Levine wrote:
In article ,
Recliner wrote:
It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It's on the rail and tube services map which is the useful one these
days.

How widely is that map displayed?

The tube that's not a tube
 

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:37:42PM -0000, Recliner wrote:

It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It would make the map too complicated. It's *already* too complicated
around the area where the Northern City line runs with all the
indistinguishably orange lines.

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their domestic servants, whether maid or drivers, run away
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The tube that's not a tube
 

On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 11:47:58 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:37:42PM -0000, Recliner wrote:

It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It would make the map too complicated. It's *already* too complicated
around the area where the Northern City line runs with all the
indistinguishably orange lines.

That might be a valid excuse if it wasn't for the fact that the moorgate
branch was on the tube map for decades. And it was TfLs decision to have a
uniform colour for all the Overground routes when they could easily have
chosen seperate ones for the ELL, NLL and Goblin lines at the very least.

The tube that's not a tube
 

In article ,
Recliner wrote:
It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It's on the rail and tube services map which is the useful one these
days.

How widely is that map displayed?

Dunno but it's easy enough to download from the TfL web site.




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The tube that's not a tube
 

In message , at 19:36:21 on Tue, 16 Oct 2018,
John Levine remarked:

It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It's on the rail and tube services map which is the useful one these
days.

How widely is that map displayed?

Dunno but it's easy enough to download from the TfL web site.

The London Connections map has been displayed at relevant[1] stations
for ages (more than a decade at least).

But they don't appear to use that name any more.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/london-rai...rvices-map.pdf

[1] Going quite a long way outside London. It could even be 'across most
of the old Network Southeast'.
--
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The tube that's not a tube
 

On 16/10/2018 20:58, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:36:21 on Tue, 16 Oct 2018,
John Levine remarked:

It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It's on the rail and tube services map which is the useful one these
days.

How widely is that map displayed?

Dunno but it's easy enough to download from the TfL web site.

The London Connections map has been displayed at relevant[1] stations
for ages (more than a decade at least).

It's been around at least since the 80s I'm sure.



--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

The tube that's not a tube
 

John Levine wrote:
In article ,
Recliner wrote:
It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It's on the rail and tube services map which is the useful one these
days.

How widely is that map displayed?

Dunno but it's easy enough to download from the TfL web site.

But how likely are casual users to do that? Is the line shown on normal
platform maps in tube stations?

The tube that's not a tube
 

On 16/10/2018 21:51, Recliner wrote:
John Levine wrote:
In article ,
Recliner wrote:
It's also a reminder that TfL is a bit naughty to omit both this line and
Thameslink from the Tube map. It's not helpful to passengers, who don't
care if a line is run by LU, LO or GTR.

It's on the rail and tube services map which is the useful one these
days.

How widely is that map displayed?

Dunno but it's easy enough to download from the TfL web site.

But how likely are casual users to do that? Is the line shown on normal
platform maps in tube stations?


AFAIK it's shown in the foyer of every tube station, along with the tube
map.

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On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:54:55AM +0000, wrote:

That might be a valid excuse if it wasn't for the fact that the moorgate
branch was on the tube map for decades. And it was TfLs decision to have a
uniform colour for all the Overground routes when they could easily have
chosen seperate ones for the ELL, NLL and Goblin lines at the very least.

They couldn't really have different colours for the numerous Overground
lines, because they've pretty much run out of easily distinguishable
colours. Orange was only available because the old ELL used it. That
nonsense with having a narrow white strip in the middle doesn't really
cut it for distinguishing between, eg, two red lines, for someone who is
in a hurry and not intimately acquainted with the network.

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-- Hanlon's Razor

Stupidity maintained long enough is a form of malice
-- Richard Bos's corollary

The tube that's not a tube
 

In message , at 21:27:29 on Tue, 16 Oct
2018, Graeme Wall remarked:

The London Connections map has been displayed at relevant[1]
stations for ages (more than a decade at least).

It's been around at least since the 80s I'm sure.

Quite possibly.

I was being conservative as a defence against the quibble-trolls.
--
Roland Perry