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"MetroGnome" wrote in message
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Just found this on a bus mailing list:

Thanks! I loved it!

I wondered about the roundels in the station. Did all tram stops have a
plethora of roundels? I wonder why the practice of signs facing alighting
passengers hasn't been carried over to bus stops to this day.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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In article , (John Rowland) wrote:

I wondered about the roundels in the station. Did all tram stops have a
plethora of roundels? I wonder why the practice of signs facing alighting
passengers hasn't been carried over to bus stops to this day.

No: it was just at the two stations in the subway (where, being island platforms,
passengers alighted via the right-facing driver's platform rather than elsewhere
at the back).

Tram stops were many and varied in their form and shape, dating back to the
pre-LT times. In and around Lewisham where I grew up there were quite a few
ex-LCC ones, which had a shape not dissimilar to an old carpet-beater, with the
words "ALL CARS STOP HERE". In the final few years of trams some stop flags
were of the standard LT colour-on-white (for compulsory) and white-on-colour
(for request), the colour for trams being blue.

Occasionally there was a refuge with the tram stop on, usually the stop was at
the kerbside and passengers had to go out into the road to board the tram,
other traffic being required to stop while they did so.

I hope this contribution does not offend you, John.

--
Peter Beale

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"John Rowland" wrote:

I wondered about the roundels in the station. Did all tram stops have a
plethora of roundels?

No - just the two sub-surface stations. These roundels were situated at two
levels - some for lower deck and some for upper deck passengers. They were
similar in size and shape to Underground station roundels, but in the
colours of a compulsory tram stop sign - the station name was in white
lettering on a black bar, across a blue circle.


I wonder why the practice of signs facing alighting
passengers hasn't been carried over to bus stops to this day.

Over the past few years, names have been added to bus stop flags, so that
they face *approaching* passengers - which is of considerably more use.
Some DLR stations on the Beckton line also have station nameboards that face
approaching trains, for the benefit of passengers looking out of the front
of the train.



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MetroGnome
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Robin May wrote in message .4...
(Boltar) wrote the following in:
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Well today I ventured down the tunnels and I'm glad I did , was a
very interesting experience. The so called "art" exhibition (its
the usual modern-art pretentious pseudo-intellectual crap conjured
up by art students who can't even spell "talent" , never mind
muster any) hardly takes up any space so most of the tunnels are
as-is.

The art is pretty astonishingly crap. It is indeed the usual poorly
done left wing student crap. I could have done better myself.

I don't know - I thought the neo-Communist Russia posters were fun,
and the video installation was quite moving. A lot of it was a bit
wank, though.

Well worth a visit all in all. I hope they open them up again in
future though preferable without the junk masquarading as art
inside.

It was very interesting being able to have a look round. It would be
brilliant if they opened it again. When I looked there was a strange
combination of art-studenty looking type and transport enthusiasts, and
a few odd people who looked like a combination of the two. I'd rather
stupidly left my good camera at home so the photos I did take will turn
out horrible probably. I saw someone taking quite a lot of photos and
if he's around here I'd very much appreciate it if he put some up on
the internet.

That could have been me if it was around 13:30 - black jacket,
glasses, too many bags?!

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 at 17:28:28, MetroGnome
wrote:

Over the past few years, names have been added to bus stop flags, so that
they face *approaching* passengers - which is of considerably more use.
Some DLR stations on the Beckton line also have station nameboards that face
approaching trains, for the benefit of passengers looking out of the front
of the train.

And very useful they are, too. It would be even more useful if buses
would *stop* where they're supposed to. How many times have I been
carried past Lambeth Town Hall, especially on a 159. So I complain to
the conductor, who says "Did you ring the bell?"

But when I say "Why should I have to, it's a compulsory stop!" they just
look at me blankly as though they had never heard of such a concept!

At least the DLR stops automatically.....
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 8 March 2004

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"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 at 17:28:28, MetroGnome
wrote:

Over the past few years, names have been added to bus stop flags, so that
they face *approaching* passengers - which is of considerably more use.
Some DLR stations on the Beckton line also have station nameboards that
face
approaching trains, for the benefit of passengers looking out of the
front
of the train.

And very useful they are, too. It would be even more useful if buses
would *stop* where they're supposed to. How many times have I been
carried past Lambeth Town Hall, especially on a 159. So I complain to
the conductor, who says "Did you ring the bell?"

But when I say "Why should I have to, it's a compulsory stop!" they just
look at me blankly as though they had never heard of such a concept!

At least the DLR stops automatically.....

The conductor is correct. The request/compulsory stop distinction only
applies to people getting on, if you want to get off you have to ring the
bell at any stop.

Peter Smyth

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In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote:

The conductor is correct. The request/compulsory stop distinction only
applies to people getting on, if you want to get off you have to ring
the bell at any stop.

Well, that's certainly a new one. Many years ago some of the old stops had
words such as "All buses stop here", "Buses stop here by request", and in
many years of travel by LT that has been the assumption: Bus Stop meant
bus stop unless qualified by Request.

--
Peter Beale

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"Peter Beale" wrote in message
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In article ,
(John Rowland) wrote:

I wondered about the roundels in the station.
Did all tram stops have a plethora of roundels?
I wonder why the practice of signs facing alighting
passengers hasn't been carried over to bus stops to this day.

No: it was just at the two stations in the subway (where,
being island platforms, passengers alighted via the
right-facing driver's platform rather than elsewhere at the back).

Thanks.

I've just had a vague recollection of photos of tram islands at Manor
House - were they adorned with roundels as well?

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"Peter Beale" wrote in message
o.uk...
In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:

The conductor is correct. The request/compulsory stop distinction only
applies to people getting on, if you want to get off you have to ring
the bell at any stop.

Well, that's certainly a new one. Many years ago some of the old stops had
words such as "All buses stop here", "Buses stop here by request", and in
many years of travel by LT that has been the assumption: Bus Stop meant
bus stop unless qualified by Request.

I recall, in my youth, ringing the bell on a bus. The bus stopped and I
descended from the platform to find that I was only halfway up a steep
hill - the stop I wanted was at the top. Fortunately, my hand had not left
the rail so I hauled myself back up onto the platform where the conductress
told me that, as my foot had touched the ground, I was deemed to have
completed my journey and that she was entitled to make for pay my fare again
for this 'new' journey!

While I pondered on this horrific proposition, the following exchange took
place:

She: How old are you?
Me: Eleven.
She: And what colour was that stop?
Me: Red.
She: And what colour is the stop you want to get off at?
Me: White.
She: And what does a red stop mean?
Me: Request.
She: And a white one?
Me: Compulsory.
She: DON'T YOU EVER RING THE BELL AGAIN ON MY BUS FOR A COMPULSORY STOP! IS
THAT CLEAR?
Me: Yes.

At this point, the bus stopped at my compulsory stop and I was mercifully
able to make my escape!

I encountered this woman many times over the next 15 years or so, both on
and off buses. She was both human and ruthlessly efficient at her job. (I
also found out that the driver was her husband.)

If she was still around (unlikely, as this all happened nearly 50 years
ago*) I can assure you that she would make mincemeat of any driver or
conductor who doesn't know what a Compulsory stop means - just as she did to
me all those years ago!

* Pity - I'd like to be a spectator at the event, this time!

Terry

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In article , (John Rowland) wrote:

I've just had a vague recollection of photos of tram islands at Manor
House - were they adorned with roundels as well?

You may be right. During the tram era (well, the final 10 years of it!) I
was in South London, they had gone (as had the trolleybuses) when I
was in that area in the 1970s (though there was a manhole cover in
Newington Green which was something to do with the conduit - I meant
to do a "brass rubbing" of it before I moved!).

--
Peter Beale