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On 26 Jan 2019 23:10:47 GMT
Marland wrote: wrote: Perhaps install more toilets in stations and get rid of them on trains altogether. We're a small island, there are no journeys really long enough to make them worthwhile except maybe the overnight sleeper to scotland but thats not a commuter train. People travelling 5h30 from Paddington to Penzance might disagree. Possibly, but those sort of journeys are probably 1 in 1000. There's little reason to have toilets on most multiple units IMO, certainly not something like Thameslink where the average journey is probably 45 mins. Thought you had children? Many youngsters are not able to go for hours without having to go the toilet and many seem to want use one soon after all preparations have been completed ,possibly brought on by excitement. Would not like to spend the time on a long journey in the vicinity of an 7 year old who has **** himself and a child of that age will not be in nappies. Which is why when we go out as a family we take the car. I'll put up with delays and all the usual PT bull**** when I'm commuting into London but not on holiday or for a nice day out. Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. How did they cope in the past? |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:20:37 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 09:52:16 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:22:39 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: The vacuum flush saves water and retention tank capacity and allows the train to run a whole day (or maybe two, for those which outstable) without tanking; How delightful. A mobile sewage farm. The alternative is for the entire railway to be the sewage farm. I meant in the sense of them no necessarily being emptied every night. How else would you deal with the sets which outstable at Hereford, Worcester and Exeter? A portable vacuum unit to empty them. How else? The walkways along the stabling sidings aren’t sufficient for a mobile vacuum unit (does such a thing even exist?) let alone a wheeled tank suitable for 10 CET tanks-worth of effluent. I doubt there are suitable facilities to discharge said mobile vacuum unit either. I can't remember the last time the toilets in my office failed never mind my house. As for the locks failing, who the hell cares? Keep it shut with your foot. How does that work with a sliding door, a wheelchair user, or even a non-wheelchair user in the accessible toilets where the door is too far away? Or the occasional station toilet cubicle where the door opens outwards... So make the open inward. Why does it have to slide? How do disabled people cope in non train toilets? Sliding door allows the toilet cubicle to fit in the space available in the train. The toilets in your house presumably aren’t used as intensively as train ones? Over the years I’ve known domestic toilets get blocked, flush broken, flushes which only work with a certain technique, multiple flushes needed to actually clear the bowl... Mess room toilets which perhaps approach train toilet frequency of use, get blocked often enough that people add the word 'again' when they talk about it... I can barely recall the last time I saw anyone use a toilet on a commuter train. Possibly, but those sort of journeys are probably 1 in 1000. There's little reason to have toilets on most multiple units IMO, certainly not something like Thameslink where the average journey is probably 45 mins. Round here the commuter trains are often in the middle of long journeys, between 4 and 10 hours end-to-end. Just because I’m only on board for 15 minutes doesn’t mean everyone else is. 10 hours? Where the hell is it going from and to? Edinburgh to Penzance. It forms an early PM peak commuter train from Bristol. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On 26 Jan 2019 23:10:47 GMT Marland wrote: wrote: Perhaps install more toilets in stations and get rid of them on trains altogether. We're a small island, there are no journeys really long enough to make them worthwhile except maybe the overnight sleeper to scotland but thats not a commuter train. People travelling 5h30 from Paddington to Penzance might disagree. Possibly, but those sort of journeys are probably 1 in 1000. There's little reason to have toilets on most multiple units IMO, certainly not something like Thameslink where the average journey is probably 45 mins. Thought you had children? Many youngsters are not able to go for hours without having to go the toilet and many seem to want use one soon after all preparations have been completed ,possibly brought on by excitement. Would not like to spend the time on a long journey in the vicinity of an 7 year old who has **** himself and a child of that age will not be in nappies. Which is why when we go out as a family we take the car. I'll put up with delays and all the usual PT bull**** when I'm commuting into London but not on holiday or for a nice day out. Fine that solution suits you, not every family has a car or wants to use one for every journey. Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. How did they cope in the past? How far back is your past, we have had toilets on most long distance trains since the early 20th century,and public toilets for women began to be accepted as the industrial revolution moved women away from homes into jobs at factories . Even then long distance travel was the preserve of the better off who could afford it , they would often have servant who carried a chamber pot and where the long dresses of the era provided some modesty, women only compartments were not just there to guard against sexual assault. Victorian newspapers and catalogues carried many and ad for urine bottles that could be used in such circumstances, it is a sign of the times with many public toilets being closed that modern equivalents are being sold in quite large numbers from well known high street names for motorists and others . https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5718751 GH |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:55:38 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: A portable vacuum unit to empty them. How else? The walkways along the stabling sidings aren’t sufficient for a mobile vacuum unit (does such a thing even exist?) let alone a wheeled tank Have you never seen the lorry that empties a septic tank? suitable for 10 CET tanks-worth of effluent. I doubt there are suitable facilities to discharge said mobile vacuum unit either. Presumably it would use the same facilities as the other methods. So make the open inward. Why does it have to slide? How do disabled people cope in non train toilets? Sliding door allows the toilet cubicle to fit in the space available in the train. They managed to install toilets on le shuttle with normal doors. People seem to manage to use them. 10 hours? Where the hell is it going from and to? Edinburgh to Penzance. It forms an early PM peak commuter train from Bristol. I doubt many people went end to end. |
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On 27 Jan 2019 14:23:46 GMT
Marland wrote: wrote: Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. How did they cope in the past? How far back is your past, we have had toilets on most long distance trains since the early 20th century,and public toilets for women began to I'm not talking about long distance, I'm talking about commuter trains. Anyway, femninists are always telling us there's no difference between men and women bar the obvious so... |
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On 27 Jan 2019 14:23:46 GMT Marland wrote: wrote: Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. How did they cope in the past? How far back is your past, we have had toilets on most long distance trains since the early 20th century,and public toilets for women began to I'm not talking about long distance, I'm talking about commuter trains. Anyway, femninists are always telling us there's no difference between men and women bar the obvious so... You followed up my mentioning of longer trips like Waterloo-Exeter to tell us that for such journeys you take your family in the car so you were already aware that I was not talking about short commuter journeys when you replied as my post said said “ Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. I would agree you don’t need toilets on commuter trains where “, so it was fairly obvious we had moved onto longer distance services prompted by your absurd statement upthread “Perhaps install more toilets in stations and get rid of them on trains altogether. We're a small island, there are no journeys really long enough to make them worthwhile except maybe the overnight sleeper to scotland”. It was after that you asked “ How did they cope in the past?” Now you trying to claim that you were talking solely about commuter trains again in attempt to bolster your weak proposal. Won’t wash Pal, others can follow a thread that shows your arguments descending into impracticality even if you can’t keep track of what you read and write. GH |
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wrote: On 27 Jan 2019 14:23:46 GMT Marland wrote: wrote: Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. How did they cope in the past? How far back is your past, we have had toilets on most long distance trains since the early 20th century,and public toilets for women began to I'm not talking about long distance, I'm talking about commuter trains. Anyway, femninists are always telling us there's no difference between men and women bar the obvious so... You followed up my mentioning of longer trips like Waterloo-Exeter to tell us that for such journeys you take your family in the car so you were already aware that I was not talking about short commuter journeys when you replied as my post said said “ Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. I would agree you don’t need toilets on commuter trains where “, so it was fairly obvious we had moved onto longer distance services prompted by your absurd statement upthread “Perhaps install more toilets in stations and get rid of them on trains altogether. We're a small island, there are no journeys really long enough to make them worthwhile except maybe the overnight sleeper to scotland”. It was after that you asked “ How did they cope in the past?” Now you trying to claim that you were talking solely about commuter trains again in attempt to bolster your weak proposal. Won’t wash Pal, others can follow a thread that shows your arguments descending into impracticality even if you can’t keep track of what you read and write. Welcome to Neil Robertson's world. It simply isn't worth having a discussion with him. Most of us no longer bother. |
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On 26/01/2019 23:10, Marland wrote:
I would agree you don’t need toilets on commuter trains where such as crossrail where off train facilities can not be too far away and frequent services make journey interruptions not the end of the world Unless something unpredictable happens, like it gets cold at Lewisham in winter. IIRC the Dutch decided trains didn't need tiolets - the (European bit of) The Netherlands is quite compact - but they soon changed their mind and it is now a requirement. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:29:48 +0000, Arthur Figgis
wrote: On 26/01/2019 23:10, Marland wrote: I would agree you dont need toilets on commuter trains where such as crossrail where off train facilities can not be too far away and frequent services make journey interruptions not the end of the world Unless something unpredictable happens, like it gets cold at Lewisham in winter. You want to try South Bermondsey. :-( IIRC the Dutch decided trains didn't need tiolets - the (European bit of) The Netherlands is quite compact - but they soon changed their mind and it is now a requirement. |
Yes, at least there are lavatories on the island platform
at Lewisham. South Bermondsey, on an embankment which must be cold in winter, is less accommodating. |
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On 27 Jan 2019 21:42:28 GMT
Marland wrote: wrote: On 27 Jan 2019 14:23:46 GMT Marland wrote: wrote: Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. How did they cope in the past? How far back is your past, we have had toilets on most long distance trains since the early 20th century,and public toilets for women began to I'm not talking about long distance, I'm talking about commuter trains. Anyway, femninists are always telling us there's no difference between men and women bar the obvious so... You followed up my mentioning of longer trips like Waterloo-Exeter to tell us that for such journeys you take your family in the car so you were already aware that I was not talking about short commuter journeys when you replied as my post said said “ Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. I would agree you don’t need toilets on commuter trains where “, so it was fairly obvious we had moved onto longer distance services prompted by your absurd statement upthread “Perhaps install more toilets in stations and get rid of them on trains altogether. We're a small island, there are no journeys really long enough to make them worthwhile except maybe the overnight sleeper to scotland”. It was after that you asked “ How did they cope in the past?” Now you trying to claim that you were talking solely about commuter trains again in attempt to bolster your weak proposal. Won’t wash Pal, others can follow a thread that shows your arguments descending into impracticality Not you though since you obviously missed the bit where I spoke about thamelinks. Or did you think that was a long distance service? |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:16:57 -0000 (UTC)
Billy No Mates wrote: Marland wrote: wrote: It was after that you asked “ How did they cope in the past?” Now you trying to claim that you were talking solely about commuter trains again in attempt to bolster your weak proposal. Won’t wash Pal, others can follow a thread that shows your arguments descending into impracticality even if you can’t keep track of what you read and write. Welcome to Neil Robertson's world. It simply isn't worth having a discussion with him. Most of us no longer bother. You don't bother because you always end up painted in a corner. Still, you're used to being on your own arn't you Billy. |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:51:26 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:42:37 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On 27 Jan 2019 14:23:46 GMT Marland wrote: wrote: Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. How did they cope in the past? Stayed at home in the absence of suitable facilities or supplies? It still happens now - Google for "period poverty". Google tampons and sanitary towels. How far back is your past, we have had toilets on most long distance trains since the early 20th century,and public toilets for women began to I'm not talking about long distance, I'm talking about commuter trains. Anyway, femninists are always telling us there's no difference between men and women bar the obvious so... Peeing out of train windows ? We're both equal on that now. If youve got the ****s don't travel otherwise take a dump before you do. Its not complicated and if you keep getting caught short then see a doctor. |
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This is the UK, not the outback. There are pubs and service stations along almost all roads. Finding somewhere to stop is usually a 15 min job at most plus service station toilets are a damn site nicer than some stinking cramped cupboard on a train. You must go to some fairly boring places for holiday. We would frequently travel the last hour entirely on B roads or worse and in those days rural pubs wouldn't let children in even just to use the toilets; I have no idea if that's improved since I don't have any of my own. For that matter the few motorway services I have the misfortune to encounter are rarely even as clean as railway toilets. -- Jonathan Amery. O who am I, ##### That for my sake #######__o My Lord should take #######'/ Frail flesh and die? - Samuel Crossman |
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wrote: Not you though since you obviously missed the bit where I spoke about thamelinks. Or did you think that was a long distance service? Cambridge to Brighton is 2h25m as timetabled. I'm usually on mine for over half of that and the toilets appear to get a fair amount of use particularly on the approach to the Canal Tunnels. I will occasionally use them myself on the approach to London Bridge if I need to since however foul they are they can't possibly be worse than the toilets in London Bridge station and if not then I'm stuck until I get off at Sidcup. -- Jonathan Amery. There's a light that is shining in the heart of a man, ##### There's a light that was shining when the world began. #######__o There's a light that is shining in the Turk and the Jew #######'/ And a light that is shining, friend in me and in you. |
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“Perhaps install more toilets in stations and get rid of them on trains altogether. We're a small island, there are no journeys really long enough to make them worthwhile except maybe the overnight sleeper to scotland”. It was after that you asked “ How did they cope in the past?” Now you trying to claim that you were talking solely about commuter trains again in attempt to bolster your weak proposal. Won’t wash Pal, others can follow a thread that shows your arguments descending into impracticality Not you though since you obviously missed the bit where I spoke about thamelinks. Or did you think that was a long distance service? You asked the question “How did they cope in the past” when it was quite clear the thread had moved onto the problems your silly proposal to remove all train toilets except sleepers would create. That you spoke about about Thameslink as well doesn’t camouflage that no matter how much you try and convince that you only meant services like theirs all along because you realised how stupid your initiall extreme stance was. You can resort to Boltar bluster as much as you like but what you wrote is out there. GH |
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On 28 Jan 2019 10:19:40 +0000 (GMT)
Jonathan Amery wrote: In article , wrote: This is the UK, not the outback. There are pubs and service stations along almost all roads. Finding somewhere to stop is usually a 15 min job at most plus service station toilets are a damn site nicer than some stinking cramped cupboard on a train. You must go to some fairly boring places for holiday. We would Nothing boring about Europe. frequently travel the last hour entirely on B roads or worse and in Where are you going where you need to travel for an hour on B roads? Northern Scotland? those days rural pubs wouldn't let children in even just to use the toilets; I have no idea if that's improved since I don't have any of my own. These days most "pubs" are just family restaurants in disguise. Whether thats a good thing or not probably depends on whether you have kids. For that matter the few motorway services I have the misfortune to encounter are rarely even as clean as railway toilets. Its probably a toss up with station toilets vs service station toilets for cleanliness. But most *train* toilets are usually fairly disgusting in the few times I've seen in. |
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On 28 Jan 2019 11:06:05 GMT
Marland wrote: wrote: “Perhaps install more toilets in stations and get rid of them on trains altogether. We're a small island, there are no journeys really long enough to make them worthwhile except maybe the overnight sleeper to scotland”. It was after that you asked “ How did they cope in the past?” Now you trying to claim that you were talking solely about commuter trains again in attempt to bolster your weak proposal. Won’t wash Pal, others can follow a thread that shows your arguments descending into impracticality Not you though since you obviously missed the bit where I spoke about thamelinks. Or did you think that was a long distance service? You asked the question “How did they cope in the past” when it was quite clear the thread had moved onto the problems your silly proposal to remove all train toilets except sleepers would create. That you spoke about about Thameslink as well doesn’t camouflage that no matter how much you try and convince that you only meant services like theirs all along because you realised how stupid your initiall extreme stance was. There are few services in this country long enough to justify train toilets IMO. Sure, some run long distance but most are not the sort of services people stay on end to end, WCML and ECML excepted. You can resort to Boltar bluster as much as you like but what you wrote is out there. It is. Why not try reading it. |
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wrote: Where are you going where you need to travel for an hour on B roads? Northern Scotland? Destinations included the Lake District, Mid-Wales, North York Moors, and East Anglia (although in East Anglia I suspect those roads were officially A roads). Nowadays I don't own a car so... For that matter the few motorway services I have the misfortune to encounter are rarely even as clean as railway toilets. Its probably a toss up with station toilets vs service station toilets for cleanliness. But most *train* toilets are usually fairly disgusting in the few times I've seen in. With the exception of Sidcup station which is basic but kept nicely clean and Kings Cross where I'm always surprised by the cleanlyness I'd probably put the train and station toilets the other way around in the parts of the SE I travel in regularly. -- Jonathan Amery. For the wonders that astound us, ##### For the truths that still confound us, #######__o Most of all that love has found us, #######'/ Thanks be to God. - F. Pratt Green |
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On 28/01/2019 12:33, Jonathan Amery wrote:
and Kings Cross where I'm always surprised by the cleanlyness Maybe because no-one uses them because the ones at St Pancras are free? -- Basil Jet - Current favourite song... What by Bruce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJEAud9vao |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:19:27 +0000 (UTC),
wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:51:26 +0000 Charles Ellson wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:42:37 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On 27 Jan 2019 14:23:46 GMT Marland wrote: wrote: Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. How did they cope in the past? Stayed at home in the absence of suitable facilities or supplies? It still happens now - Google for "period poverty". Google tampons and sanitary towels. https://plan-uk.org/media-centre/1-i...r-survey-finds |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:55:38 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: A portable vacuum unit to empty them. How else? The walkways along the stabling sidings aren’t sufficient for a mobile vacuum unit (does such a thing even exist?) let alone a wheeled tank Have you never seen the lorry that empties a septic tank? Will it fit along the platform, down a flight of stairs, across the 2 feet wide boarded walkway, and along the ballast down the 4 foot gap between trains? suitable for 10 CET tanks-worth of effluent. I doubt there are suitable facilities to discharge said mobile vacuum unit either. Presumably it would use the same facilities as the other methods. The fixed equipment at depots have a larger-than-portakabin-sized building which handles the effluent, and a proper feed into the sewage system. Neither available at the stabling sidings mentioned. So make the open inward. Why does it have to slide? How do disabled people cope in non train toilets? Sliding door allows the toilet cubicle to fit in the space available in the train. They managed to install toilets on le shuttle with normal doors. People seem to manage to use them. The toilets on Le Shuttle aren’t a great example to compare things to. They’re disgusting. Clarkson was right to **** in a bottle. 10 hours? Where the hell is it going from and to? Edinburgh to Penzance. It forms an early PM peak commuter train from Bristol. I doubt many people went end to end. I never said they did. I guess a fair number of people make 4-5 hour journeys though. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On 28 Jan 2019 12:33:11 +0000 (GMT)
Jonathan Amery wrote: In article , wrote: Where are you going where you need to travel for an hour on B roads? Northern Scotland? Destinations included the Lake District, Mid-Wales, North York Moors, and East Anglia (although in East Anglia I suspect those roads were officially A roads). You must have driven fairly leisurely then. Few places in England at least are far from A roads these days. |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:08:00 +0000
Arthur Figgis wrote: On 28/01/2019 12:10, wrote: On 28 Jan 2019 10:19:40 +0000 (GMT) Jonathan Amery wrote: You must go to some fairly boring places for holiday. Nothing boring about Europe. Frankfurt is a thing in Europe. (thinking of the /M version... I've only ever passed through /O, which for all I know might be like Barcelona on a bank holiday Friday when someone is offering free beer) I've been to the business Frankfurt once. It was enough for one lifetime tbh. Clean, efficient, friendly (for germany) but totally and utterly boring as hell. |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:33:11 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:19:27 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:51:26 +0000 Charles Ellson wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:42:37 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On 27 Jan 2019 14:23:46 GMT Marland wrote: wrote: Then there is the large percentage of the population who are female whose different plumbing ,menstrual cycles and smaller bladder capacity when pregnant often means they need toilet facilities more often than men. How did they cope in the past? Stayed at home in the absence of suitable facilities or supplies? It still happens now - Google for "period poverty". Google tampons and sanitary towels. https://plan-uk.org/media-centre/1-i...o-afford-sanit ary-wear-survey-finds But I bet their parents can still afford the Sky subscription and fags. |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:56:13 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:55:38 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: A portable vacuum unit to empty them. How else? The walkways along the stabling sidings aren’t sufficient for a mobile vacuum unit (does such a thing even exist?) let alone a wheeled tank Have you never seen the lorry that empties a septic tank? Will it fit along the platform, down a flight of stairs, across the 2 feet wide boarded walkway, and along the ballast down the 4 foot gap between trains? They could try using a long hose. Honestly, if the railways can't think of a way to empty a septic tank then they're really up **** creak. Pun intended. The fixed equipment at depots have a larger-than-portakabin-sized building which handles the effluent, and a proper feed into the sewage system. Neither available at the stabling sidings mentioned. Then they should be. They managed to install toilets on le shuttle with normal doors. People seem to manage to use them. The toilets on Le Shuttle aren’t a great example to compare things to. They’re disgusting. Clarkson was right to **** in a bottle. TBH I don't see the purpose of them either. The journey is only 45 mins. Edinburgh to Penzance. It forms an early PM peak commuter train from Bristol. I doubt many people went end to end. I never said they did. I guess a fair number of people make 4-5 hour journeys though. Maybe once in a blue moon. |
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On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:11:49PM +0000, Mrs. Invalid-Address wrote:
There are few services in this country long enough to justify train toilets IMO. Sure, some run long distance but most are not the sort of services people stay on end to end, WCML and ECML excepted. I hope for your sake you never have to travel between London and Hastings with a small child, or while elderly, or while pregnant, or while drunk. You get plenty of day-trippers doing that as well as commuters. That's 1h45-ish. London to Bristol is about the same. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire There is no one true indentation style, But if there were K&R would be Its Prophets. Peace be upon Their Holy Beards. |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 10:45:59 +0000
David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:11:49PM +0000, Mrs. Invalid-Address wrote: There are few services in this country long enough to justify train toilets IMO. Sure, some run long distance but most are not the sort of services people stay on end to end, WCML and ECML excepted. I hope for your sake you never have to travel between London and Hastings with a small child, or while elderly, or while pregnant, or while drunk. You get plenty of day-trippers doing that as well as I have no sympathy for drunks and they wouldn't use the toilet anyway. commuters. That's 1h45-ish. London to Bristol is about the same. If someone can't hold it for that length of time then they need to see a doctor. |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:56:13 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:55:38 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: A portable vacuum unit to empty them. How else? The walkways along the stabling sidings aren’t sufficient for a mobile vacuum unit (does such a thing even exist?) let alone a wheeled tank Have you never seen the lorry that empties a septic tank? Will it fit along the platform, down a flight of stairs, across the 2 feet wide boarded walkway, and along the ballast down the 4 foot gap between trains? They could try using a long hose. Honestly, if the railways can't think of a way to empty a septic tank then they're really up **** creak. Pun intended. It’s a problem which literally doesn’t need to be solved. In any case I wouldn’t fancy dragging a 250m long 15cm diameter collection of hoses around on ballast, particularly if the largest of them’s full of ****. The fixed equipment at depots have a larger-than-portakabin-sized building which handles the effluent, and a proper feed into the sewage system. Neither available at the stabling sidings mentioned. Then they should be. Why? These are sidings around the back of the station, or 1/4 mile away, which stable a handful of trains for a few hours overnight, between last service in the evening and first service in the morning. The trains are designed to be able to stable overnight without visiting a depot. Edinburgh to Penzance. It forms an early PM peak commuter train from Bristol. I doubt many people went end to end. I never said they did. I guess a fair number of people make 4-5 hour journeys though. Maybe once in a blue moon. When I board at Exeter to travel back to Bristol I notice a lot of reservations for Leeds, Sheffield, York etc, so clearly not as few people as you think make long distance train journeys. I’ve just interrogated the reservations list for the Padd-Penzance train I worked part way this morning, and although there are actually no reservations for the full Padd-Pz journey, there are quite a few Pad/Reading-Plymouth, a number of Bristol-Truro, and some Bristol-St Erth. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On 29/01/2019 11:09, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
I’ve just interrogated the reservations list for the Padd-Penzance train I worked part way this morning, and although there are actually no reservations for the full Padd-Pz journey, there are quite a few Pad/Reading-Plymouth, a number of Bristol-Truro, and some Bristol-St Erth. Isn't this data skewed by the fact that people getting on at the origin probably don't bother getting reservations? -- Basil Jet - Current favourite song... What by Bruce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJEAud9vao |
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On 29/01/2019 11:19, Basil Jet wrote:
On 29/01/2019 11:09, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: I’ve just interrogated the reservations list for the Padd-Penzance train I worked part way this morning, and although there are actually no reservations for the full Padd-Pz journey, there are quite a few Pad/Reading-Plymouth, a number of Bristol-Truro, and some Bristol-St Erth. Isn't this data skewed by the fact that people getting on at the origin probably don't bother getting reservations? Many (advance purchase) tickets force a reservation on you. I wouldn't mind, but whilst there's a penalty (whether actual, or just the risk of being forced to move when any other seat option has gone) for sitting in a reserved seat, there's no penalty for not taking up a reservation. It's even worse when you buy an open return and they suggest a (free) reservation when there's only a small chance you'll take that actual train. I remember once getting a train from Euston where I walked the length of the train to my assigned seat in coach A to be confronted by a sea of reservations and a similar number of empty seats. The carriage remained almost completely empty as far as my destination of Stone (from memory). |
When the software meets the hardware
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:09:32 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:56:13 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:55:38 -0000 (UTC) Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: wrote: A portable vacuum unit to empty them. How else? The walkways along the stabling sidings aren’t sufficient for a mobile vacuum unit (does such a thing even exist?) let alone a wheeled tank Have you never seen the lorry that empties a septic tank? Will it fit along the platform, down a flight of stairs, across the 2 feet wide boarded walkway, and along the ballast down the 4 foot gap between trains? They could try using a long hose. Honestly, if the railways can't think of a way to empty a septic tank then they're really up **** creak. Pun intended. It’s a problem which literally doesn’t need to be solved. Tanks full, toilets out of service, train not allowed to run, passengers left ****ed off on platforms. Thats why it needs to be solved. Maybe once in a blue moon. When I board at Exeter to travel back to Bristol I notice a lot of reservations for Leeds, Sheffield, York etc, so clearly not as few people as you think make long distance train journeys. Doesn't mean they were boarding at bristol, just that the seats will be used at some point. I’ve just interrogated the reservations list for the Padd-Penzance train I worked part way this morning, and although there are actually no reservations for the full Padd-Pz journey, there are quite a few Pad/Reading-Plymouth, a number of Bristol-Truro, and some Bristol-St Erth. None of those are particularly long journeys. |
When the software meets the hardware
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:08:00 +0000 Arthur Figgis wrote: On 28/01/2019 12:10, wrote: On 28 Jan 2019 10:19:40 +0000 (GMT) Jonathan Amery wrote: You must go to some fairly boring places for holiday. Nothing boring about Europe. Frankfurt is a thing in Europe. (thinking of the /M version... I've only ever passed through /O, which for all I know might be like Barcelona on a bank holiday Friday when someone is offering free beer) I've been to the business Frankfurt once. It was enough for one lifetime tbh. Clean, efficient, friendly (for germany) but totally and utterly boring as hell. You didn’t go to the Feldbahnmuseum, then? https://flic.kr/p/5zgANt -- Jeremy Double |
When the software meets the hardware
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When the software meets the hardware
Basil Jet wrote:
On 29/01/2019 11:09, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: I’ve just interrogated the reservations list for the Padd-Penzance train I worked part way this morning, and although there are actually no reservations for the full Padd-Pz journey, there are quite a few Pad/Reading-Plymouth, a number of Bristol-Truro, and some Bristol-St Erth. Isn't this data skewed by the fact that people getting on at the origin probably don't bother getting reservations? After posting that I found I was only looking at half of the reservations! Once I was looking at them all I found lots of shorter reserved legs earlier in the journey, eg Paddington-Swindon, Reading-Bath etc. Relevant to a recent Roland thread, I found a number of seats reserved for three different legs but none for more than three. Presumably this reflects the current need for compatibility with paper labels. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
When the software meets the hardware
On 29 Jan 2019 12:20:49 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:08:00 +0000 Arthur Figgis wrote: On 28/01/2019 12:10, wrote: On 28 Jan 2019 10:19:40 +0000 (GMT) Jonathan Amery wrote: You must go to some fairly boring places for holiday. Nothing boring about Europe. Frankfurt is a thing in Europe. (thinking of the /M version... I've only ever passed through /O, which for all I know might be like Barcelona on a bank holiday Friday when someone is offering free beer) I've been to the business Frankfurt once. It was enough for one lifetime tbh. Clean, efficient, friendly (for germany) but totally and utterly boring as hell. You didn’t go to the Feldbahnmuseum, then? https://flic.kr/p/5zgANt No, but looks like an interesting place. However we were only in the city for a day just passing through. |
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