wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2019 09:54:53 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 17:41:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 16:20:56 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2019 16:15:25 +0100
David Walters wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 15:56:49 +0100, Ian Clifton

wrote:
The “Live departures & arrivals� pages on nationalrail.co.uk
seem to be

showing trains every 15 mins each way on the GOBLIN. TfL still says
“reduced service�, as far as I can see. Is it really
happening?

Yes, the first Class 710 in passenger service left Gospel Oak at 11:36.

Pictures in several places including

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...-class-710s-en
te
r-service/

No doubt at some point once the memory of the issues have faded somewhat,
little squirt Khan will hail this as a great success and hope nobody asks
exactly how many tens of millions extra from the TfL budget have been spent

getting these white elephants to work instead of just ordering some more
off
the shelf 378s which could have been running years ago.

The 378 EMUs must be more versatile than Bombardier ever claimed, to
be able to run on a non-electrified line. Or didn't you know that the
electrification was only completed a year ago?

Figure of speech.

In other words, you were ignorant.

They could have been running as soon as the wires went live.

And why do you assume that it's TfL's budget that is paying for
Bombardier's delays? Perhaps you could provide a reference for your
claim that, "tens of millions extra from the TfL budget have been
spent getting these white elephants to work"?

Cost of stabling, cost of driver training, cost of drivers doing nothing,
loss
of income from the line, cost of training for technical staff, cost of 710
specific depot equipment. I'm sure there's more but thats what came to mind
in
30 seconds.



Neil, yet again you demonstrate your ignorance of how the system works.
Please provide the cite I asked for.

Oh look, any minute Billy is going to claim the above didn't cost anything
and was all factored in , honest.



Of course both NR and Bombardier screwed up, big-time, on this project. But
you don't seem to have a clue about even basic things, such as who
maintains the LO fleet, and who will be paying compensation.

On Fri, 24 May 2019 10:18:32 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2019 09:54:53 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 17:41:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 16:20:56 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2019 16:15:25 +0100
David Walters wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 15:56:49 +0100, Ian Clifton

wrote:
The “Live departures & arrivals� pages on nationalrail.co.uk

seem to be

showing trains every 15 mins each way on the GOBLIN. TfL still says
“reduced service�, as far as I can see. Is it really
happening?

Yes, the first Class 710 in passenger service left Gospel Oak at 11:36.

Pictures in several places including


https://www.londonreconnections.com/...-class-710s-en
te
r-service/

No doubt at some point once the memory of the issues have faded
somewhat,
little squirt Khan will hail this as a great success and hope nobody asks

exactly how many tens of millions extra from the TfL budget have been
spent

getting these white elephants to work instead of just ordering some more
off
the shelf 378s which could have been running years ago.

The 378 EMUs must be more versatile than Bombardier ever claimed, to
be able to run on a non-electrified line. Or didn't you know that the
electrification was only completed a year ago?

Figure of speech.

In other words, you were ignorant.

They could have been running as soon as the wires went live.

And why do you assume that it's TfL's budget that is paying for
Bombardier's delays? Perhaps you could provide a reference for your
claim that, "tens of millions extra from the TfL budget have been
spent getting these white elephants to work"?

Cost of stabling, cost of driver training, cost of drivers doing nothing,
loss
of income from the line, cost of training for technical staff, cost of 710

specific depot equipment. I'm sure there's more but thats what came to mind

in
30 seconds.



Neil, yet again you demonstrate your ignorance of how the system works.
Please provide the cite I asked for.

Oh look, any minute Billy is going to claim the above didn't cost anything
and was all factored in , honest.



Of course both NR and Bombardier screwed up, big-time, on this project. But
you don't seem to have a clue about even basic things, such as who
maintains the LO fleet, and who will be paying compensation.

Unless bombadier are maintaining the fleet in perpituity out of their own
pocket then it'll ultimately come out of TfLs budget.