On Sat, 25 May 2019 14:53:59 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Sat, 25 May 2019 12:38:47 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2019 10:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
They do. Followed shortly after by people rushing off the train.

Yes, that seems to confirm it. I suppose that the other possibility is
that they're some sort of express skip-stop service, that would suit
travellers such as you, but I guess that they'd then be branded and
promoted as such.

That would probably be a first on that section of line.

This story provides a bit more info, but doesn't actually answer the
question:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-cab-drivers-
window-passengers-danger.html

Looking at the cab photos it does look rather overcrowded and its fairly
obvious why the drivers view is restricted. But they really should have
thought of this during the design. I wonder if a mirror at a suitable angle on
the left of the drivers window that could be folded away when above ground
would help them see the signals?

Perhaps, but it won't be an issue for long, as the line is soon moving
to in-cab signalling with ERTMS.

Modern trains with through gangway cabs do have very cramped driver's
compartments and limited views because of the stronger protective
structures around the driver, and energy-absorbing front-ends.

On 25/05/2019 16:34, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:26:41 on Sat, 25 May
2019, Basil Jet remarked:

Incidentally, Watton-At-Stone now has practically no trains to
Stevenage on Monday to Fridays. The GBNRTT gives no hint of
replacement bus times.

There's long term engineering works near Stevenage, and I think the
replacement buses run "on demand".

There are no shortage of electric trains sitting around unused that
could run an hourly shuttle from Watton to Knebworth,

Wouldn't that involve a reversal at Stevenage?

I meant Letchworth.


but they can't be arsed.

Or the track's not available.

The track to sit around reversing at Stevenage is not available, but the
track to reverse at Letchworth was available a few years ago so I'm not
sure what's changed that justifies bustituting a branch for a year.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Pere Ubu - 1991 - Worlds In Collision

On 25/05/2019 15:57, wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2019 15:26:41 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/05/2019 11:54, wrote:
They do. Followed shortly after by people rushing off the train.


Are these scheduled trains, or are they untimetabled extras going to
Gordon Hill? If I showed up at Old Street for an infrequent service to

The train was going to gordon hill but whether it was timetabled or not I
couldn't say.


Roughly what time did they leave Moorgate, and was it Sat/Sun/Other?

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Pere Ubu - 1991 - Worlds In Collision

What baffles me is why why poor signal views in a tunnel would prevent
stopping at a station but would allow whizzing through. It sounds more
like the new trains are longer than the old ones and the driver's cab of
a stopped new train is the wrong side of the starter, and the in-cab
tech solution isn't working yet.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Pere Ubu - 1991 - Worlds In Collision

Basil Jet wrote:

What baffles me is why why poor signal views in a tunnel would prevent
stopping at a station but would allow whizzing through. It sounds more
like the new trains are longer than the old ones and the driver's cab of
a stopped new train is the wrong side of the starter, and the in-cab
tech solution isn't working yet.


They're not longer, but have to stop further back for the driver, sitting
further back in the narrow cab, to be able to see the signal, as indicated
in the newspaper report I linked.

The trains are fully fitted for ERTMS, but it's not yet installed on the
line. I'm not sure when it'll go live. When it is, the lineside signals
will be removed.

On 25/05/2019 21:44, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

What baffles me is why why poor signal views in a tunnel would prevent
stopping at a station but would allow whizzing through. It sounds more
like the new trains are longer than the old ones and the driver's cab of
a stopped new train is the wrong side of the starter, and the in-cab
tech solution isn't working yet.


They're not longer, but have to stop further back for the driver, sitting
further back in the narrow cab, to be able to see the signal, as indicated
in the newspaper report I linked.

The trains are fully fitted for ERTMS, but it's not yet installed on the
line. I'm not sure when it'll go live. When it is, the lineside signals
will be removed.


Thanks, I didn't see that story. So can't they just stop a bit further
back, or do these new trains not have selective door opening? Or would
that leave them hanging into the previous block and killing the line
capacity?

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Pere Ubu - 1991 - Worlds In Collision

Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/05/2019 21:44, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

What baffles me is why why poor signal views in a tunnel would prevent
stopping at a station but would allow whizzing through. It sounds more
like the new trains are longer than the old ones and the driver's cab of
a stopped new train is the wrong side of the starter, and the in-cab
tech solution isn't working yet.


They're not longer, but have to stop further back for the driver, sitting
further back in the narrow cab, to be able to see the signal, as indicated
in the newspaper report I linked.

The trains are fully fitted for ERTMS, but it's not yet installed on the
line. I'm not sure when it'll go live. When it is, the lineside signals
will be removed.


Thanks, I didn't see that story. So can't they just stop a bit further
back, or do these new trains not have selective door opening? Or would
that leave them hanging into the previous block and killing the line
capacity?


Neither:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6790547/200million-train-cab-drivers-window-passengers-danger.html

On Sat, 25 May 2019 18:28:31 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/05/2019 15:57, wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2019 15:26:41 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/05/2019 11:54, wrote:
They do. Followed shortly after by people rushing off the train.


Are these scheduled trains, or are they untimetabled extras going to
Gordon Hill? If I showed up at Old Street for an infrequent service to

The train was going to gordon hill but whether it was timetabled or not I
couldn't say.


Roughly what time did they leave Moorgate, and was it Sat/Sun/Other?

Around 2.30 on friday afternoon.

On Sat, 25 May 2019 20:44:31 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

What baffles me is why why poor signal views in a tunnel would prevent
stopping at a station but would allow whizzing through. It sounds more
like the new trains are longer than the old ones and the driver's cab of
a stopped new train is the wrong side of the starter, and the in-cab
tech solution isn't working yet.


They're not longer, but have to stop further back for the driver, sitting
further back in the narrow cab, to be able to see the signal, as indicated
in the newspaper report I linked.

The trains are fully fitted for ERTMS, but it's not yet installed on the
line. I'm not sure when it'll go live. When it is, the lineside signals
will be removed.

Are they fitting all the lines out of KX? If its just the tunnel section to
moorgate it seems a bit overkill given AFAIK the max speed is only 30mph.

On Sat, 25 May 2019 21:59:38 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/05/2019 21:44, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

What baffles me is why why poor signal views in a tunnel would prevent
stopping at a station but would allow whizzing through. It sounds more
like the new trains are longer than the old ones and the driver's cab of
a stopped new train is the wrong side of the starter, and the in-cab
tech solution isn't working yet.


They're not longer, but have to stop further back for the driver, sitting
further back in the narrow cab, to be able to see the signal, as indicated
in the newspaper report I linked.

The trains are fully fitted for ERTMS, but it's not yet installed on the
line. I'm not sure when it'll go live. When it is, the lineside signals
will be removed.


Thanks, I didn't see that story. So can't they just stop a bit further
back, or do these new trains not have selective door opening? Or would
that leave them hanging into the previous block and killing the line
capacity?


Neither:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-cab-drivers-
window-passengers-danger.html

Looking at the cab pictures again, I wonder why they didn't put the drivers
equipment at shoulder or lower height as in most locomotives so he could see
to the right, and then put a window in the emergency door. That would probably
solve a lot of the visibility issues.