On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:02:49 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 12:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:52:25 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Recliner remarked:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001

"It proposes a staggered approach with the new runway to be built in the
first phase by 2026, with the rest of the airport infrastructure -
including new terminals and access - to be complete by around 2050".

24 years of overcrowding hell. Although we all know that phase 2 will
never happen.

"the plan also outlines a new low-emission zone for the airport, meaning
additional charges for those who drive a more polluting vehicle to the
airport"

Does that include Airbuses and Boeings?

That already happens: noisier, more polluting planes pay higher
charges.

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:44:39 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.

Do you mean Heathrow expansion at all, or this particular version of
the plan?

On 18/06/2019 13:11, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:44:39 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.

Do you mean Heathrow expansion at all, or this particular version of
the plan?


Can't see any major expansion of Heathrow happening. It is going to be
bogged down in legal and political arguments for decades. If you need
another runway in the south east, Gatwick or Stansted are the more
logical choices, they have the space and the basic infrastructure to
support expansion. Heathrow, infamously, doesn't have the infrastructure
to adequately support its current operations.

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Graeme Wall
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:47:19 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 13:11, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:44:39 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.

Do you mean Heathrow expansion at all, or this particular version of
the plan?


Can't see any major expansion of Heathrow happening. It is going to be
bogged down in legal and political arguments for decades. If you need
another runway in the south east, Gatwick or Stansted are the more
logical choices, they have the space and the basic infrastructure to
support expansion. Heathrow, infamously, doesn't have the infrastructure
to adequately support its current operations.

It'll be interesting to see if this plan finally takes off. It's been
around, in one form or another, for many years, but it finally seems
to have some momentum now.

I think Gatwick's cheapo (£0.5bn) second runway probably will happen,
well before Heathrow gets another runway. The Gatwick project is
relatively small, and I don't know if it even needs planning
permission (as it doesn't require any expansion of the airport
footprint, new terminals, new roads, etc).

Technically, it's not a new runway, just moving one of the existing
runways 12m sideways and widening it. The agreement not to use both
runways at once runs out this summer, so there shouldn't be any real
obstacles in the way. It has much more political support than Heathrow
has, mainly because its flightpaths don't cross London.

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.

In message , at 14:56:47 on
Tue, 18 Jun 2019, Recliner remarked:

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.

Apart from this (admittedly old) one?

http://stopstanstedexpansion.com/maps.html
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Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:56:47 on
Tue, 18 Jun 2019, Recliner remarked:

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.

Apart from this (admittedly old) one?

http://stopstanstedexpansion.com/maps.html

That proposal was abandoned years ago by the previous owner. The current
owner shows no interest in investing in a new runway.

In message , at 14:57:41 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Recliner remarked:

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.

Apart from this (admittedly old) one?

http://stopstanstedexpansion.com/maps.html

That proposal was abandoned years ago by the previous owner. The current
owner shows no interest in investing in a new runway.

Sure, but there's a plan on the back burner. It takes decades for these
things to mature.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:57:41 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Recliner remarked:

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.

Apart from this (admittedly old) one?

http://stopstanstedexpansion.com/maps.html

That proposal was abandoned years ago by the previous owner. The current
owner shows no interest in investing in a new runway.

Sure, but there's a plan on the back burner. It takes decades for these
things to mature.

So are you agreeing or disagreeing with what I said ("I don't think it will
be even requesting a second runway any time soon")?

On 18/06/2019 14:56, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:47:19 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 13:11, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:44:39 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.

Do you mean Heathrow expansion at all, or this particular version of
the plan?


Can't see any major expansion of Heathrow happening. It is going to be
bogged down in legal and political arguments for decades. If you need
another runway in the south east, Gatwick or Stansted are the more
logical choices, they have the space and the basic infrastructure to
support expansion. Heathrow, infamously, doesn't have the infrastructure
to adequately support its current operations.

It'll be interesting to see if this plan finally takes off. It's been
around, in one form or another, for many years, but it finally seems
to have some momentum now.

The last third runway proposals, that involved wiping out Sipson and
Harmondsworth, got about this far before collapsing.



--
Graeme Wall
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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:37:40 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:44:39 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable

Highly unlikely ever to happen.

Boris did promise to lay down in front of the bulldozer, after all.

True to form, I gather he's backed down from that commitment.

but that doesn't mean that he's backed away from not liking it

and therefore might cancel it when he has the lever to do so