Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)


Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

Robin

Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

--

bob wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.


Yes, indeed. I was thinking of the PDA term as originally promoted by Apple
in the early 1980s, which foresaw Alexa-style ideas.

On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:30:12 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 24/07/2019 21:49, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote:
On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote:
Roland Perry Wrote in message:
That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a
whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a
new phone and get the together).

It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone
* accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by
* decades...

I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area
pre-dated mobile phones.


The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar,
introduced in the 1950s IIRC

[1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise
situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in.

Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

Also used on handheld radios (usually clipped on somewhere when in
that mode) so possibly nicked from them.

On 24/07/2019 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)


Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.


What Arthur C Clarke called a minisec around 40 years ago!

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Graeme Wall
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In message , at 21:49:47 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote:
On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote:
Roland Perry Wrote in message:
That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a
whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a
new phone and get the together).

It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone
* accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by
* decades...
I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area
pre-dated mobile phones.

The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar,
introduced in the 1950s IIRC

[1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise
situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in.

Or back in WW2:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ODkAAOSwivlcq2w5/s-l300.jpg
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Roland Perry

In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 19:58:23 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Recliner remarked:

I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products,
every single one "Currently unavailable".

Presumably because your phone is ancient?

It's only three years old, but a design that's five years old. Sadly it
just missed out having a major Android version change installed from
new.

I'm curious why you bought a new phone with a five year old design? It
must have already been years out of date on the day you got it.

Last time I looked, five minus three equalled two.

I started with a list of features, which included user-changeable
battery[1], Active Dual-SIM[1], 32GB[1] and NFC[2].

And that narrowed the field to a handful of models. 4G was a bonus, but
I so rarely see it even today, it was never a requirement.

The model which replaced it the following year was, by general
consensus, so similar as to be virtually indistinguishable. Apart from
being shipped with Android 5.1.1; the one after that wasn't in
circulation yet (and it turned out only had standby Dual-SIM).

The unforeseen consequence of buying the older, less expensive, model
was they way they never upgraded to Android version. All mainstream apps
work fine, it's just a few where the developers have forgotten about
backwards compatibility.

[1] Let's just take these as read, and not re-debate them
[2] Specifically to examine the data inside travel smartcards.
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Roland Perry

On 25/07/2019 07:51, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:49:47 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote:
On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote:
Roland Perry Wrote in message:
That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a
whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy
a new phone and get the together).

It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone
Â* accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by
Â* decades...
Â*I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area
pre-dated mobile phones.

The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar,
introduced in the 1950s IIRC

[1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise
situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in.

Or back in WW2:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ODkAAOSwivlcq2w5/s-l300.jpg

Older than I thought.

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Graeme Wall
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