In article ,
Recliner wrote:
Of course not, but I made clear that only a minority do it.

An increasingly large minority given the number of people I see with
wires dangling into their pockets.

Clearly we have gone past the day where having wires got you shot by
the Met.

--
Natalie Amery. With a book and a steeple, with a bell and a key.
##### They would bind it forever, but they can't (said he).
#######__o Oh, the book it will perish and the steeple will fall
#######'/ But the light will be shining at the end of it all.

Natalie Amery wrote:
In article ,
Recliner wrote:
Of course not, but I made clear that only a minority do it.

An increasingly large minority given the number of people I see with
wires dangling into their pockets.

Often going to wired headphones.


Clearly we have gone past the day where having wires got you shot by
the Met.


I thought it was carrying toys got you shot?

In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:
If I buy a first class stamp, I have a legal contract with the Post
Office (to deliver one letter). But when they talk about 'contracts'
they mean long term high volume business.

Actually, you don't have a legal contract with the _Royal Mail_ until
you post the stamp; all you have is an offer to treat.

And you bought the stamp from the Post Office with a contract of sale.

--
Natalie Amery. yo-yo, n.:
##### Something that is occasionally up
#######__o but normally down.
#######'/ (see also Computer).

In article ,
Recliner wrote:
Natalie Amery wrote:
In article ,
Recliner wrote:
Of course not, but I made clear that only a minority do it.

An increasingly large minority given the number of people I see with
wires dangling into their pockets.

Often going to wired headphones.

I'm not sure why the wire out of a telephone going into a pocket
would be wired headphones.

Clearly we have gone past the day where having wires got you shot by
the Met.
I thought it was carrying toys got you shot?

Also table legs.

--
Natalie Amery. Down in the street they're all singing and shouting,
##### Staying alive though the city is dead,
#######__o Hiding their shame behind hollow laughter,
#######'/ While you are crying alone on your bed. - Cassandra, ABBA.

On 25 Jul 2019 09:37:03 +0100 (BST), Natalie Amery
wrote:

In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:
If I buy a first class stamp, I have a legal contract with the Post
Office (to deliver one letter). But when they talk about 'contracts'
they mean long term high volume business.

Actually, you don't have a legal contract with the _Royal Mail_ until
you post the stamp; all you have is an offer to treat.

And you bought the stamp from the Post Office with a contract of sale.

The stamp is an undated voucher involving receipt of a future service
so there is a continuing contract started when the stamp was purchased
and finishing when the eventual postal item is delivered. The Post
Office/post office is acting as an agent of Royal Mail when it sells
the stamp.

In message , at 12:11:00 on Thu,
25 Jul 2019, Natalie Amery remarked:

An increasingly large minority given the number of people I see with
wires dangling into their pockets.

Often going to wired headphones.

I'm not sure why the wire out of a telephone going into a pocket
would be wired headphones.

Some people thread a wire (for headphones) through their jacket from
somewhere near the collar to inside a pocket. You then need to plug the
phone into the pocket.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point. The iPhone and iPod
Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were
essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.

Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007
was around the “Apple will make a phone� with ideas of an iPod click-wheel
phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name
that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web
browser and mobile phone.

Robin

In message , at 21:03:22 on Sat, 27 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point.

I'm pretty sure the iPod Touch was either a parallel or earlier
development cycle to the iPhone, but appearing a few months later to
avoid stealing the thunder from the iPhone. People tend to describe the
touch as "an iPhone without the phone", which may show how relatively
unimportant a camera in the phone was perceived at the time.

The iPhone and iPod
Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were
essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability.

And no camera or speaker (or GPS). Surprisingly, the original iPhone
didn't have 3G.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.

Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007
was around the “Apple will make a phone� with ideas of an iPod click-wheel
phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name
that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web
browser and mobile phone.

I have no argument with the tablet-like devices being identified as a
phone with whistles and bells. But not every combination of phone and
camera is like that. And I have several even quite recent phones with
pathetic cameras (eg very muddy 1 megapixel).
--
Roland Perry

bob wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point. The iPhone and iPod
Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were
essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.

Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007
was around the “Apple will make a phone� with ideas of an iPod click-wheel
phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name
that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web
browser and mobile phone.

Smartphones existed before the iPhone. I had 2 HP smartphones, each
running a version of Windows Mobile.

It meant that I only needed to carry one device, rather than a PDA and
separate mobile phone.

The first HP one was great (although much thicker than an iPhone) until it
died suddenly, but the second one, with a slide-out mini keyboard, which
looked great on paper, was c**p. That was when I switched to the iPhone.
--
Jeremy Double

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:03:22 on Sat, 27 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point.

I'm pretty sure the iPod Touch was either a parallel or earlier
development cycle to the iPhone, but appearing a few months later to
avoid stealing the thunder from the iPhone. People tend to describe the
touch as "an iPhone without the phone", which may show how relatively
unimportant a camera in the phone was perceived at the time.

The iPhone and iPod
Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were
essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability.

And no camera or speaker (or GPS). Surprisingly, the original iPhone
didn't have 3G.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.

Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007
was around the “Apple will make a phone� with ideas of an iPod click-wheel
phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name
that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web
browser and mobile phone.

I have no argument with the tablet-like devices being identified as a
phone with whistles and bells. But not every combination of phone and
camera is like that. And I have several even quite recent phones with
pathetic cameras (eg very muddy 1 megapixel).

That must have taken some finding! Is it some $25 third world special?