"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:

"David Walters" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:44:10 +0100, tim...
wrote:

"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote in message
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No, the trains do run to a timetable.

Most of us know that

It used to be possible to get a physical copy (I'm beginning to wish
that I
had kept my "collection")

And very possible an online variant, as for busses until they took
those
away (or hid them very well) in favour of just informing people using
the journey planner.

Hid them so well that I had to type "london underground working

would never have occurred to me to add "working timetable"

timetables" into Mr Google's Information Emporium to get them to come up
as the first result.

The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

what a confusing format

East and westbound on alternative pages - might very possibly make sense
in printed form, absolutely useless in PDF form

They're for drivers, not for spotters.

Not a spotter, just a customer who's interested in the nominal frequency for
each service

As an example, I caught a Wimbleware train yesterday which was changed en
route to early terminating at HSK, because we were "running late"

I looked at the board when I got off and the next Wimbleware train was in 10
minutes and I thought "if it's a 10 minute frequency then that's late as
well!)

Normies never see them.

Yesterday I was a normal - I was going shopping to a specific shop.

Admittedly, on the way back I detoured via the West London line as I hadn't
done it since before there were intermediate stations.

Why are you channelling Boltar?

I didn't realise that I was (whatever channelling means)

The other fact not mentioned is that when the service restarts all of the
drivers will be in the wrong places, which means they'll be hitting their
legal working hours limit

Yeah I got that.

tim

On 06/09/2019 16:13, tim... wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:

"David Walters" wrote in message
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The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

what a confusing format

East and westbound on alternative pages - might very possibly make
sense in printed form, absolutely useless in PDF form

They're for drivers, not for spotters.

Not a spotter, just a customer who's interested in the nominal frequency
for each service

There's a frequency table in each WTT preceding the actual times.

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Radiohead - 1997 - No Surprises

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 16:13, tim... wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:

"David Walters" wrote in message
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The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

what a confusing format

East and westbound on alternative pages - might very possibly make
sense in printed form, absolutely useless in PDF form

They're for drivers, not for spotters.

Not a spotter, just a customer who's interested in the nominal frequency
for each service

There's a frequency table in each WTT preceding the actual times.

yeah, I got that

It also tells me how many train diagrams there are, and what time they leave
the depot.

my point was it contained more than I actually needed.

tim



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Radiohead - 1997 - No Surprises

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 16:13:53 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:
Yesterday I was a normal - I was going shopping to a specific shop.

Admittedly, on the way back I detoured via the West London line as I hadn't
done it since before there were intermediate stations.

Why are you channelling Boltar?

I didn't realise that I was (whatever channelling means)

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the fault of
the passenger.

On 07/09/2019 16:19, wrote:

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the fault of
the passenger.

Bring back London Transport (and British Rail for that matter).

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Ria in Aberdeen

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"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
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On 07/09/2019 16:19, wrote:

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the
fault of
the passenger.

Bring back London Transport (and British Rail for that matter).

bring back paper timetables

tim

On 07/09/2019 20:51, tim... wrote:


"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
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On 07/09/2019 16:19, wrote:

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on
this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the
fault of
the passenger.

Bring back London Transport (and British Rail for that matter).

bring back paper timetables

Indeed. And proper signals (semaphore would be nice, but colour light
signals with actual light bulbs would be ok.) LED signals are like LED
street lights, in other words HORRIBLE.


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Ria in Aberdeen

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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 07/09/2019 20:51, tim... wrote:


"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
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On 07/09/2019 16:19, wrote:

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on
this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the
fault of
the passenger.

Bring back London Transport (and British Rail for that matter).

bring back paper timetables

Indeed. And proper signals (semaphore would be nice, but colour light
signals with actual light bulbs would be ok.) LED signals are like LED
street lights, in other words HORRIBLE.

Lineside signals are disappearing altogether. So colour light signals will
soon seem as quaint as semaphores. You already don't see signals on HS1, or
the DLR, or several Tube lines. Presumably the same will soon be true of
the Glasgow Subway, or Merseyside.

MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 07/09/2019 20:51, tim... wrote:


"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
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On 07/09/2019 16:19, wrote:

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on
this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the
fault of
the passenger.

Bring back London Transport (and British Rail for that matter).

bring back paper timetables

Indeed. And proper signals (semaphore would be nice, but colour light
signals with actual light bulbs would be ok.) LED signals are like LED
street lights, in other words HORRIBLE.



With the Underground gradually being reequipped with new signalling systems
and trains with in cab displays
are there going to be signals with LEDs to worry about in a few years.


GH

Marland wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 07/09/2019 20:51, tim... wrote:


"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
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On 07/09/2019 16:19, wrote:

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on
this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the
fault of
the passenger.

Bring back London Transport (and British Rail for that matter).

bring back paper timetables

Indeed. And proper signals (semaphore would be nice, but colour light
signals with actual light bulbs would be ok.) LED signals are like LED
street lights, in other words HORRIBLE.



With the Underground gradually being reequipped with new signalling systems
and trains with in cab displays
are there going to be signals with LEDs to worry about in a few years.

Haven't those on five lines already gone? And, of course, the DLR never
had them.