On 02/10/2019 10:32, tim... wrote:


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On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:21:23 +0100
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 23/09/2019 20:47, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 23/09/2019 16:32, wrote:

I used to work near heathrow and the number of people travelling
there by
private car was a small percentage of the total. I don't see why
that would

change with a 3rd runway. And my office overlooked one of the parking
pounds
of one of the private parking companies. Anyone who had seen what
those
****wits
got up to with their prized possesion would never park at heathrow
again.

They should never have gone for a 3rd runway at Heathrow. A second
runway at Gatwick would make far more sense.

Not according to the official Airports Commission, the majority of
passengers or the airlines.

Well, whatever as they say. I would certainly prefer to use Gatwick than
Heathrow any day.

Bit of a PITA to get to unless you live near the airport or the
brighton main
line.

or anywhere in Central, North and East London for which it is just as
easy to take the tube to Victoria as the Piccadilly all the way to LHR.

It would help those in East London if the Overground connected slightly
better with a train to Gatwick - I think there are once an hour
connections at Norwood Junction, but the National Rail planner generally
seems fairly ignorant of them and doesn't bring them up

In message , at 10:21:22 on Wed, 2 Oct 2019,
tim... remarked:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 15:18:00 on Thu, 26 Sep
2019, tim... remarked:
Sep 2019, MissRiaElaine remarked:
There are some 24-hour buses to Heathrow, such as the 140.

Sure, but can all the staff cram onto that one route?

I wonder if there are staff buses that operate overnight?

And do either go where the staff actually live..?

When I was a bus driver in the Birmingham area in the late 90's/early
00's, we had a few staff buses which picked up drivers on the stupid-
o'clock starts, but they only went a limited distance from the garage
(5 miles or so I think) and I lived 7 miles away. So it was drive or
not work. The company had the attitude that it was your
responsibility to get to work and if you couldn't for whatever
reason, tough, find another job...

It's a bit more difficult to have that attitude at a place like
Heathrow. I think their solution is to provide ample staff car
parking, it's not as if they don't have the room.

but they do have a mandate to lessen car arrivals at the airport

I doubt that staff travel is exempted from that requirement

Which is precisely why Heathrow Connect exists[1]. It's not a back-door
into Heathrow for skinflint passengers, it's for staff.

Nonsense

it's for people who live on the line [1] to have a service direct to
LHR without having to go to Paddington and back

That's the secondary purpose, but isn't really a "back door" because the
"front door" of a train to Paddington and HEx back is bonkers.

Staff or customers (or just people changing transport mode)

tim

[1] or even live on a line where a change to underground at Ealing
makes sense

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Roland Perry

In message , at 10:30:20 on Wed, 2 Oct 2019,
tim... remarked:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 14:51:23 on Thu, 26 Sep
2019, tim... remarked:

Someone I know had to get the first bus of the day to check in from
a perimeter hotel to the central terminals. How would the check in
staff get there.

there are 5 night routes that run from the Northern Perimeter Road
(which IME is where all the hotels are) to the central Terminals and
one to T5

The [hotels along] northern perimeter road are not a point source,

but it was the example given, to which I was replying

I asked "how would staff get there to check those pax in"?

nor are they mopped up by every bus. It's very patchy.

If someone is choosing to stay at an LHR hotel but needs to leave
before the hotel hopper starts at 4am, they really ought to select
their hotel carefully if they are looking to travel to the terminal by
bus

Many of the hotels advertise a hotel transfer service, but this turns
out to be a minicab in many cases.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 10:34:39 on Wed, 2 Oct 2019,
tim... remarked:

I live north of the river, and my rail journeys to and from Heathrow
are always on the Piccadilly line. The Picc serves far more stations in
London than Crossrail will.

It's a rather tedious way to get to and from work at Heathrow, if you
live north of Kings Cross.

Is there a better way using PT? Obviously, people who don't live near a
Piccadilly line station might change to the line at, say, Finsbury Park.

As the Irishman asked for directions famously said "I wouldn't start
from there".

so if you have a long term job at LHR moving house seems the most
appropriate solution

What are these long term jobs of which you speak? And moving house to be
near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't a walk in the park.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 10:30:20 on Wed, 2 Oct 2019,
tim... remarked:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 14:51:23 on Thu, 26 Sep
2019, tim... remarked:

Someone I know had to get the first bus of the day to check in from a
perimeter hotel to the central terminals. How would the check in staff
get there.

there are 5 night routes that run from the Northern Perimeter Road
(which IME is where all the hotels are) to the central Terminals and one
to T5

The [hotels along] northern perimeter road are not a point source,

but it was the example given, to which I was replying

I asked "how would staff get there to check those pax in"?

nor are they mopped up by every bus. It's very patchy.

If someone is choosing to stay at an LHR hotel but needs to leave before
the hotel hopper starts at 4am, they really ought to select their hotel
carefully if they are looking to travel to the terminal by bus

Many of the hotels advertise a hotel transfer service, but this turns out
to be a minicab in many cases.

a pre-arranged Taxi it almost always is (not all countries have the concept
of mini-cabs)

the world over

tim

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 10:34:39 on Wed, 2 Oct 2019,
tim... remarked:

I live north of the river, and my rail journeys to and from Heathrow
are always on the Piccadilly line. The Picc serves far more stations
in
London than Crossrail will.

It's a rather tedious way to get to and from work at Heathrow, if you
live north of Kings Cross.

Is there a better way using PT? Obviously, people who don't live near
a
Piccadilly line station might change to the line at, say, Finsbury Park.

As the Irishman asked for directions famously said "I wouldn't start
from there".

so if you have a long term job at LHR moving house seems the most
appropriate solution

What are these long term jobs of which you speak?

Working full time at the airport

If there is any "low" skilled job that has security, this has to be it.

And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't a
walk in the park.

If you already live in a different part of London it is. Hounslow is not a
prime London property location

tim

In message , at 19:14:28 on Wed, 2 Oct 2019,
tim... remarked:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 10:34:39 on Wed, 2 Oct
2019, tim... remarked:

I live north of the river, and my rail journeys to and from Heathrow
are always on the Piccadilly line. The Picc serves far more
stations in
London than Crossrail will.

It's a rather tedious way to get to and from work at Heathrow, if you
live north of Kings Cross.

Is there a better way using PT? Obviously, people who don't live
near a
Piccadilly line station might change to the line at, say, Finsbury Park.

As the Irishman asked for directions famously said "I wouldn't
start from there".

so if you have a long term job at LHR moving house seems the most
appropriate solution

What are these long term jobs of which you speak?

Working full time at the airport

If there is any "low" skilled job that has security, this has to be it.

There's still plenty of opportunity to be working for an employer who
goes broke or decide not to have a base at HR any more, or be replaced
by a machine (baggage handling a prime example).

And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't
a walk in the park.

If you already live in a different part of London it is.

Moving further than a sensible commute for the children to get to their
original school is difficult.

Hounslow is not a prime London property location

For a reason. And hence why would people want to move there?
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Roland Perry

On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:39:40PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't
a walk in the park.

It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.

--
David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age

Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla.

On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:43:48 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:39:40PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't
a walk in the park.

It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.

Not quite so easy if you have a spouse who also works and kids who go to school.
Are they supposed to just up sticks because you've had enough of your commute?

In message , at 12:43:48
on Thu, 3 Oct 2019, David Cantrell remarked:

And moving house to be near a job, especially one like Heathrow, isn't
a walk in the park.

It's something that vast numbers of people did in the past, and that a
lot of people still do. I've done it myself.

Like the Lille Shuffle, it's something which can be done, but
has drawbacks.
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Roland Perry