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December 10th 19, 12:32 PM
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On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:30:42 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote: On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice. How old are they? There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four. A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s. Why do you think that Aventras are expensive? Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything. So, you have no idea of what the trains cost? I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that will make you happy. Has it occurred to you that the late delivery of the 710s probably saved TfL money? Think about it. The Goblin electrification was finished before they showed up so if you're thinking that not having them delivered on time didn't matter and getting a refund from Bombadier was a nice bonus I'm not convinced especially given they weren't just being built for the Goblin. |
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December 10th 19, 01:09 PM
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:51:28 +0000
Recliner wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:32:37 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:30:42 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote: On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice. How old are they? There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four. A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s. Why do you think that Aventras are expensive? Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything. So, you have no idea of what the trains cost? I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that will make you happy. Has it occurred to you that the late delivery of the 710s probably saved TfL money? Think about it. The Goblin electrification was finished before they showed up so if you're thinking that not having them delivered on time didn't matter and getting a refund from Bombadier was a nice bonus I'm not convinced especially given they weren't just being built for the Goblin. Think harder... Whatever. When you've actually thought of something let me know. |
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December 10th 19, 01:43 PM
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:09:51 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:51:28 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:32:37 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:30:42 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:27:01 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:17:23 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:12:37 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:01:42 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote: On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Seems like the Overground 378s are having a refresh. New seat moquettes and a slightly different external paint/vinyl job. Looks quite nice. How old are they? There were several orders, so the ages vary. The oldest carriages have been in service just over 10 years, the youngest only four. A rare example of a decent train - looks nice inside and out, comfortable and with decent acceleration (when the drivers can be bothered). Naturally this situration couldn't last so we now have the fugly, expensive and late 710s. Why do you think that Aventras are expensive? Lost revenue for TfL on the Goblin, having to pay to keep the diesels a bit longer and modify some 378s to run on it. I know Bombardier coughed up some cash but I bet it doesn't cover everything. So, you have no idea of what the trains cost? I was talking overall cost, but I can google the price per unit if that will make you happy. Has it occurred to you that the late delivery of the 710s probably saved TfL money? Think about it. The Goblin electrification was finished before they showed up so if you're thinking that not having them delivered on time didn't matter and getting a refund from Bombadier was a nice bonus I'm not convinced especially given they weren't just being built for the Goblin. Think harder... Whatever. When you've actually thought of something let me know. You really need to learn to think. I'm not going to give you the answer on a plate, but I'll give you one big hint: it would have been very embarrassing for TfL if the 710s had turned up on time. |
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December 10th 19, 03:28 PM
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:43:19 +0000
Recliner wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:09:51 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Whatever. When you've actually thought of something let me know. You really need to learn to think. I'm not going to give you the answer on a plate, but I'll give you one big hint: it would have been very embarrassing for TfL if the 710s had turned up on time. Would it? Oh ok, whatever you say. |
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#16
December 12th 19, 12:52 PM
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:43:19 +0000 Recliner wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:09:51 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Whatever. When you've actually thought of something let me know. You really need to learn to think. I'm not going to give you the answer on a plate, but I'll give you one big hint: it would have been very embarrassing for TfL if the 710s had turned up on time. Would it? Oh ok, whatever you say. Well, you did pretty well on that complaint: you complained of three things, one of which was actually true. 33% is a big improvement on your normal strike rate. |
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