In article , MissRiaElaine
writes
Allowing individuals to decide for themselves means they are forcing
their decisions on other people.* I'm fed up with the lycras around here
who've decided social distancing is unnecessary.

But it's ok for you, the government and every other Tom, Dick or Harry
to force their decisions on us.

In the case of the government, that's what we elected them to do.

--
Clive D.W. Feather

In article , writes
Frankly I'm surprised retailers haven't just
given the goverment the finger and just ignore it since if I owned a business
that was on the verge of going bust if I didn't then whats to lose.

All your money. Not the company's - yours. All officers of the business
are subject to an unlimited fine.

--
Clive D.W. Feather

wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:43:11 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:25:32 on Wed, 3 Jun
2020, remarked:
If you mean parcel them back up, go queue in the post office for hours behind
some pensioners, hand over money for delivery then yes, its simples.

No, print a pre-paid label and drop it off in a couple of minutes at the
local One-Stop (or similar).

If by local one-stop you mean the post office

A chain of convenience stores https://www.onestop.co.uk "One Stop is a
retail convenience
business with over 900 shops". Other similar retail chains exist.


Huh? The point you and others are missing is that with clothes, shoes and
a number of other products , eg cars, its a very VERY good idea to try before
you buy. Or risk serious disappointment.


Catalogue shopping (order lots, return those which don't fit/suit) was a
thing for many decades before the internet. I don't see why the
introduction of a computer screen into the process should make it any less
achievable.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:24:20 on Wed, 3 Jun
2020, remarked:


Thats unfortunate, but you're clearly a special case. Most people can buy
shoes that fit in shops.

You'd think, wouldn't you, but I know several people (men and women)
with smaller feet, and it's a significant issue. I also really need a
half-size, which are even rarer.

Those with large feet also suffer the same problem.

It does sometimes make choosing shoes easier when there are only three
pairs in the shop which fit.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Sam Wilson wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 23:08:30 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
At the end of the day it boils down to the simple fact that people are
not going to sit back and put up with lockdown indefinitely. Sooner or
later, people will say enough is enough.

My other half needs new shoes. The high street still looks like Sunday
in the sixties, will she have to go barefoot before she can get any..?


Surely shoes are available to purchase online?

Buying shoes without trying them on first? Really?


I would expect any online shoe retailer to have a system for sending back
things which don't fit, just as online and catalogue retailers of other
clothing items do.

Anyone else seen adverts from Pearlfeet? They have attractive shoes, a
deeply misleading size chart and suggest that if you want to return
something it’ll be to China at your own cost. I have yet to point out to
them at that that’s not a legal way to deal with the customer in the UK.



Maybe I should have added the word 'reputable'


Anna Noyd-Dryver

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:17:14 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:43:11 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:25:32 on Wed, 3 Jun
2020, remarked:
If you mean parcel them back up, go queue in the post office for hours
behind
some pensioners, hand over money for delivery then yes, its simples.

No, print a pre-paid label and drop it off in a couple of minutes at the
local One-Stop (or similar).

If by local one-stop you mean the post office

A chain of convenience stores https://www.onestop.co.uk "One Stop is a
retail convenience
business with over 900 shops". Other similar retail chains exist.

Probably found in chavvy areas which even Budgen thought was too downmarket to
bother with. No doubt a branch of Bargain Booze is nearby.

Catalogue shopping (order lots, return those which don't fit/suit) was a
thing for many decades before the internet. I don't see why the
introduction of a computer screen into the process should make it any less
achievable.

It was a think for a tiny minority of people. Usually the elderly who couldn't
get out much.

Am 03.06.2020 um 16:14 schrieb Anna Noyd-Dryver:
There was a thing on the news the other day about bookshops reopening, the
suggestion being that any item touched by a customer would need to be wiped
down and also quarantined for 72 hours. Presumably the same would apply to
shoes? (Genuine question: presumably large supermarkets still have their
clothing departments open, how are they managing?)

In Germany where all shops are open again, H&M have a "try on at home"
policy, so what's advantage is left compared to mail order?

The bike shops indeed have to wipe down and quarantaine a bike that has
been out on a test ride (even the saddle).

wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:17:14 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:43:11 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:25:32 on Wed, 3 Jun
2020, remarked:
If you mean parcel them back up, go queue in the post office for hours
behind
some pensioners, hand over money for delivery then yes, its simples.

No, print a pre-paid label and drop it off in a couple of minutes at the
local One-Stop (or similar).

If by local one-stop you mean the post office

A chain of convenience stores https://www.onestop.co.uk "One Stop is a
retail convenience
business with over 900 shops". Other similar retail chains exist.

Probably found in chavvy areas which even Budgen thought was too downmarket to
bother with. No doubt a branch of Bargain Booze is nearby.

Catalogue shopping (order lots, return those which don't fit/suit) was a
thing for many decades before the internet. I don't see why the
introduction of a computer screen into the process should make it any less
achievable.

It was a think for a tiny minority of people. Usually the elderly who couldn't
get out much.



Also, a lot of catalogue shopping was on (expensive) credit, in the days
before credit cards.

Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 03.06.2020 um 16:14 schrieb Anna Noyd-Dryver:
There was a thing on the news the other day about bookshops reopening, the
suggestion being that any item touched by a customer would need to be wiped
down and also quarantined for 72 hours. Presumably the same would apply to
shoes? (Genuine question: presumably large supermarkets still have their
clothing departments open, how are they managing?)

In Germany where all shops are open again, H&M have a "try on at home"
policy, so what's advantage is left compared to mail order?


I remember when I was younger, being surprised that M&S in Bolton didn't
have rooms to try on clothes (because you were expected to take things home
to try them on) but M&S in Llandudno did (because people generally
travelled further to get there).


Anna Noyd-Dryver

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:19:52 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:33:40 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:24:20 on Wed, 3 Jun
2020, remarked:
If by local one-stop

It's a popular chain of convenience stores M'Lud. Other brands are
available.

Never heard of them.

Huh? The point you and others are missing is that with clothes, shoes and
a number of other products , eg cars, its a very VERY good idea to try before
you buy. Or risk serious disappointment.

You buy (hanks to the EU) in effect "on approval", and send things back
which don't fit.

The EU has nothing to do with being able to return goods not fit for purpose.

Thats been british law for decades and I wouldn't be surprised if we gave them
the idea.

Goods which are supplied in accordance with a description and your
order are not "not fit for purpose". The more recent laws allowing
goods bought at a distance to be returned do not care if they are in
perfect condition; simply taking a dislike to them is sufficient
reason to return them. Unlike defective goods, you have to pay the
return cost unless the supplier has decided to bear that expense.

Nor were they involved in credit card companies refunding customers
for dodgy goods.

Thats up to you. I only order online when I don't have a choice because
shops
don't sell it - eg gym equipment. Otherwise going to a physical shop is a
lot
simpler.

Physical shops have a very limited selection in my size.

Thats unfortunate, but you're clearly a special case. Most people can buy
shoes that fit in shops.

You'd think, wouldn't you, but I know several people (men and women)
with smaller feet, and it's a significant issue. I also really need a
half-size, which are even rarer.

Just wear the next size up and put in a thick insole. Simples.

Not a podiatrist, are you ?