New Freedom pass peak hour restriction
 

I've now received official notification from TfL of the new rule:

From Monday 15 June, we are making temporary changes to the 60+ London
Oyster card and the Older Person's Freedom Pass during morning peak
hours. These changes are being introduced following TfL's funding
agreement with Government which required temporary restrictions for
customers with these concession cards.

Passengers with a 60+ Oyster card, Older Person's Freedom Pass, or
English National Concessionary Scheme pass will not be able to use
these cards before 09:00 on weekday mornings. This is to enable social
distancing on the public transport network and help control the spread
of coronavirus. Your card will continue to be valid at all other times
on weekdays and all day on weekends and Bank Holidays. Disabled
Freedom Pass holders are not affected by these changes and can
continue to use their card at all times.

Where possible, we ask you to avoid travelling immediately after 09:00
to help reduce crowding in buses and trains, where the available space
has effectively been reduced to allow for social distancing. If you
have no option other than to use public transport during the morning
peak period, we recommend that you travel using pay as you go with a
contactless card or device or an Oyster card. For more information,
please visit www.tfl.gov.uk/fares.

We thank you again for all your help as we work together to keep
everyone safe.

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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
I've now received official notification from TfL of the new rule:

From Monday 15 June, we are making temporary changes to the 60+ London
Oyster card and the Older Person's Freedom Pass during morning peak
hours. These changes are being introduced following TfL's funding
agreement with Government which required temporary restrictions for
customers with these concession cards.

Passengers with a 60+ Oyster card, Older Person's Freedom Pass, or
English National Concessionary Scheme pass will not be able to use
these cards before 09:00 on weekday mornings.

I didn't realise that National card holders could travel before 9:30 anyway

All in all, not a restriction I will notice (unless I have to make a trip to
the airport)

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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
I've now received official notification from TfL of the new rule:

From Monday 15 June, we are making temporary changes to the 60+ London
Oyster card and the Older Person's Freedom Pass during morning peak
hours. These changes are being introduced following TfL's funding
agreement with Government which required temporary restrictions for
customers with these concession cards.

Passengers with a 60+ Oyster card, Older Person's Freedom Pass, or
English National Concessionary Scheme pass will not be able to use
these cards before 09:00 on weekday mornings.

I didn't realise that National card holders could travel before 9:30 anyway

I think they get exactly the same free use of London buses as Londoners do
(except, of course, that the Croydon Tram has bus fares, but isn't included
for national bus pass holders).


All in all, not a restriction I will notice (unless I have to make a trip to
the airport)

Yes, pretty much the same here.

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On 04/06/2020 16:13, Recliner wrote:
I've now received official notification from TfL of the new rule:

From Monday 15 June, we are making temporary changes to the 60+ London
Oyster card and the Older Person's Freedom Pass during morning peak
hours. These changes are being introduced following TfL's funding
agreement with Government which required temporary restrictions for
customers with these concession cards.

Passengers with a 60+ Oyster card, Older Person's Freedom Pass, or
English National Concessionary Scheme pass will not be able to use
these cards before 09:00 on weekday mornings. This is to enable social
distancing on the public transport network and help control the spread
of coronavirus. Your card will continue to be valid at all other times
on weekdays and all day on weekends and Bank Holidays. Disabled
Freedom Pass holders are not affected by these changes and can
continue to use their card at all times.

Where possible, we ask you to avoid travelling immediately after 09:00
to help reduce crowding in buses and trains, where the available space
has effectively been reduced to allow for social distancing. If you
have no option other than to use public transport during the morning
peak period, we recommend that you travel using pay as you go with a
contactless card or device or an Oyster card. For more information,
please visit www.tfl.gov.uk/fares.

We thank you again for all your help as we work together to keep
everyone safe.

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

New Freedom pass peak hour restriction
 

On 04/06/2020 16:13, Recliner wrote:
I've now received official notification from TfL of the new rule:

From Monday 15 June, we are making temporary changes to the 60+ London
Oyster card and the Older Person's Freedom Pass during morning peak
hours. These changes are being introduced following TfL's funding
agreement with Government which required temporary restrictions for
customers with these concession cards.

Passengers with a 60+ Oyster card, Older Person's Freedom Pass, or
English National Concessionary Scheme pass will not be able to use
these cards before 09:00 on weekday mornings. This is to enable social
distancing on the public transport network and help control the spread
of coronavirus. Your card will continue to be valid at all other times
on weekdays and all day on weekends and Bank Holidays. Disabled
Freedom Pass holders are not affected by these changes and can
continue to use their card at all times.

Where possible, we ask you to avoid travelling immediately after 09:00
to help reduce crowding in buses and trains, where the available space
has effectively been reduced to allow for social distancing. If you
have no option other than to use public transport during the morning
peak period, we recommend that you travel using pay as you go with a
contactless card or device or an Oyster card. For more information,
please visit www.tfl.gov.uk/fares.

We thank you again for all your help as we work together to keep
everyone safe.



What does this mean, exactly? For example, is travelling at half past
midnight after 0900 or before it?

And what about the first train in the morning at around 0500? Is that okay?

Why don't they say that it can't be used from 0700 to 0900, say? And
similarly for the evening peak.

And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?

It's wonderful that the link provided gives even less information than
the OP. :)

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On 04/06/2020 17:55, GB wrote:
On 04/06/2020 16:13, Recliner wrote:
I've now received official notification from TfL of the new rule:

Â*From Monday 15 June, we are making temporary changes to the 60+ London
Oyster card and the Older Person's Freedom Pass during morning peak
hours. These changes are being introduced following TfL's funding
agreement with Government which required temporary restrictions for
customers with these concession cards.

Passengers with a 60+ Oyster card, Older Person's Freedom Pass, or
English National Concessionary Scheme pass will not be able to use
these cards before 09:00 on weekday mornings. This is to enable social
distancing on the public transport network and help control the spread
of coronavirus. Your card will continue to be valid at all other times
on weekdays and all day on weekends and Bank Holidays. Disabled
Freedom Pass holders are not affected by these changes and can
continue to use their card at all times.

Where possible, we ask you to avoid travelling immediately after 09:00
to help reduce crowding in buses and trains, where the available space
has effectively been reduced to allow for social distancing. If you
have no option other than to use public transport during the morning
peak period, we recommend that you travel using pay as you go with a
contactless card or device or an Oyster card. For more information,
please visit www.tfl.gov.uk/fares.

We thank you again for all your help as we work together to keep
everyone safe.



What does this mean, exactly? For example, is travelling at half past
midnight after 0900 or before it?

And what about the first train in the morning at around 0500? Is that okay?

Why don't they say that it can't be used from 0700 to 0900, say? And
similarly for the evening peak.

And, I thought the trains were going to run all night?

It's wonderful that the link provided gives even less information than
the OP. :)


Ah, sorry. That's all been answered by Tim's second post.

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On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

--
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On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 16:25:56 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
I've now received official notification from TfL of the new rule:

From Monday 15 June, we are making temporary changes to the 60+ London
Oyster card and the Older Person's Freedom Pass during morning peak
hours. These changes are being introduced following TfL's funding
agreement with Government which required temporary restrictions for
customers with these concession cards.

Passengers with a 60+ Oyster card, Older Person's Freedom Pass, or
English National Concessionary Scheme pass will not be able to use
these cards before 09:00 on weekday mornings.

I didn't realise that National card holders could travel before 9:30 anyway

I think they get exactly the same free use of London buses as Londoners do
(except, of course, that the Croydon Tram has bus fares, but isn't included
for national bus pass holders).

It is reciprocal, the FP holder gets whatever applies to the locals
holding an ENCTS card so if e.g. someone from Greater London visits
Merseyside then they can also (relative to the above) use the bus up
to 06.30.


All in all, not a restriction I will notice (unless I have to make a trip to
the airport)

Yes, pretty much the same here.

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On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

New Freedom pass peak hour restriction
 

On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:54:49 +0100,
wrote:

On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

They will need to teach some people how to wear them. I have seen
plenty walking around with the top of their mask below their nostrils.

New Freedom pass peak hour restriction
 

"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:54:49 +0100,
wrote:

On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

They will need to teach some people how to wear them. I have seen
plenty walking around with the top of their mask below their nostrils.

It doesn't need to be a mask, just a face covering

if it weren't so hot I'd be covering my face with a scarf

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On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 19:46:20 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:54:49 +0100,
wrote:

On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

They will need to teach some people how to wear them. I have seen
plenty walking around with the top of their mask below their nostrils.

It doesn't need to be a mask, just a face covering

if it weren't so hot I'd be covering my face with a scarf

A light-coloured shemagh, thus keeping some of the sun off your head ?

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tim... wrote:


"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:54:49 +0100,
wrote:

On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

They will need to teach some people how to wear them. I have seen
plenty walking around with the top of their mask below their nostrils.

It doesn't need to be a mask, just a face covering

if it weren't so hot I'd be covering my face with a scarf

Did you see the Ukrainian shop CCTV video of a woman shopper coming up with
an ingenious solution to the demand that she wear face covering to be
served? And, no, she didn't have a scarf.

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On 04/06/2020 19:46, tim... wrote:


"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:54:49 +0100,
wrote:

On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

They will need to teach some people how to wear them. I have seen
plenty walking around with the top of their mask below their nostrils.

It doesn't need to be a mask, just a face covering


I cannot properly relate to someone whose face I cannot clearly see*.
This is no joke, nor am I making it up. If I can't see your face, it
makes me extremely uneasy.

*Before anyone jumps on it, this does not apply to telephone
conversations, where I do not expect to be able to see someone's face.
If I am meeting them in person, then I do.



--
Ria in Aberdeen

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On 04/06/2020 18:54, wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public
transport from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

Haven't you got those names in the wrong order ? To me, it sometimes
seems as if "C" pulls the strings and "B" opens his mouth.

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Bevan Price wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:54, wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public
transport from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

Haven't you got those names in the wrong order ? To me, it sometimes
seems as if "C" pulls the strings and "B" opens his mouth.


Yup, which is why Cummings was indispensable in the short term. But Boris
now knows he needs a new head for the Downing Street operation. It looks
like Simon Case may be that person. Cummings may keep Boris's ear on policy
matters, perhaps in the employ of a think tank.

Boris has been a journo for most of his working life, so he probably does
understand the damage that Cummings' continuing presence does.

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On 04/06/2020 23:35, Bevan Price wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:54, wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public
transport from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

Haven't you got those names in the wrong order ? To me, it sometimes
seems as if "C" pulls the strings and "B" opens his mouth.

Since that was debatable I decided to put the nominal leader first.

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wrote:
On 04/06/2020 23:35, Bevan Price wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:54, wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public
transport from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

Haven't you got those names in the wrong order ? To me, it sometimes
seems as if "C" pulls the strings and "B" opens his mouth.

Since that was debatable I decided to put the nominal leader first.


I'm not sure who now has the role of leaking to the press, but it's been
reported that Boris has taken control, and effectively put Cummings on a
final warning. The Rose Garden event was supposed to be when he cleared
things up, but he blew it. Cummings is now on borrowed time, but Boris
would lose too much face if he fired him before the summer break.

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On 05/06/2020 00:21, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 04/06/2020 23:35, Bevan Price wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:54, wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public
transport from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

Haven't you got those names in the wrong order ? To me, it sometimes
seems as if "C" pulls the strings and "B" opens his mouth.

Since that was debatable I decided to put the nominal leader first.


I'm not sure who now has the role of leaking to the press, but it's been
reported that Boris has taken control, and effectively put Cummings on a
final warning. The Rose Garden event was supposed to be when he cleared
things up, but he blew it. Cummings is now on borrowed time, but Boris
would lose too much face if he fired him before the summer break.

I have no time for these petty political games and never have done.
Johnson has little face left as he's shown himself to be so feeble and
not doing the correct thing so he would actually gain more face by being
strong and getting rid of him now rather than later.

Has he resigned or been sacked from SAGE yet? I've not heard anything
about that.

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wrote:
On 05/06/2020 00:21, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 04/06/2020 23:35, Bevan Price wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:54, wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public
transport from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

Haven't you got those names in the wrong order ? To me, it sometimes
seems as if "C" pulls the strings and "B" opens his mouth.

Since that was debatable I decided to put the nominal leader first.


I'm not sure who now has the role of leaking to the press, but it's been
reported that Boris has taken control, and effectively put Cummings on a
final warning. The Rose Garden event was supposed to be when he cleared
things up, but he blew it. Cummings is now on borrowed time, but Boris
would lose too much face if he fired him before the summer break.

I have no time for these petty political games and never have done.
Johnson has little face left as he's shown himself to be so feeble and
not doing the correct thing so he would actually gain more face by being
strong and getting rid of him now rather than later.

He should have got rid of him immediately. Both of them should have
realised that his continuing official presence was damaging to the PM and
the government. But, having backed him so strongly, Boris now needs to wait
before getting rid of him; to do so too soon would just compound the
damage. My guess is that he'll be gone by September.

I suspect that Cummings isn't much enjoying the job any more. He's lost a
lot of his power, is viewed as a comic figure rather than one of the great
intellects of his day, is being harassed by the press (which won't stop
until he's gone), and his family are also under scrutiny (eg, his father's
apparently illegal conversion of a swimming pool into a house, his wife's
porkies in the Spectator). She was all set to be the next editor of the
magazine, but that now looks unlikely — not that telling porkies
disqualifies one from that job, as a former editor could attest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#The_Spectator_and_MP_for_Henley:_199 9–2008

So Cummings will probably be happy to depart, once he knows that there
won't be an extension to the transition period.


Has he resigned or been sacked from SAGE yet? I've not heard anything
about that.

He was never officially a member of SAGE, not that the government has been
open about either its membership or its advice. He just invited himself to
the (presumably virtual) meetings. We don't know if he was there just to
listen, or to try and influence the advice SAGE delivered to the
government. I have to suspect the latter.

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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.


As they want as small a number of travellers as practical so that people
who have to make a journey
can have a better opportunity to maintain the 2m distance rule then the
loss of people like you who object to any further restrictions will just be
a welcome side benefit.

GH

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On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 22:22:13 +0100, MissRiaElaine
wrote:

On 04/06/2020 19:46, tim... wrote:


"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:54:49 +0100,
wrote:

On 04/06/2020 18:31, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.

Johnson and Cummings only run England so it's only there so far but I
suspect the other countries will follow their lead.

They will need to teach some people how to wear them. I have seen
plenty walking around with the top of their mask below their nostrils.

It doesn't need to be a mask, just a face covering


I cannot properly relate to someone whose face I cannot clearly see*.
This is no joke, nor am I making it up. If I can't see your face, it
makes me extremely uneasy.

Is it also an invitation to shoplift if the perpetrator cannot be
identified?

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Marland wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.


As they want as small a number of travellers as practical so that people
who have to make a journey
can have a better opportunity to maintain the 2m distance rule then the
loss of people like you who object to any further restrictions will just be
a welcome side benefit.


They probably also prefer that those limited number be workers, not retired
people, particularly if they are travelling on their bus passes.

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On 04/06/2020 18:43, Charles Ellson wrote:
It is reciprocal, the FP holder gets whatever applies to the locals
holding an ENCTS card so if e.g. someone from Greater London visits
Merseyside then they can also (relative to the above) use the bus up
to 06.30.

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies to
any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

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"Ross Kavanagh" wrote in message
...
On 04/06/2020 18:43, Charles Ellson wrote:
It is reciprocal, the FP holder gets whatever applies to the locals
holding an ENCTS card so if e.g. someone from Greater London visits
Merseyside then they can also (relative to the above) use the bus up
to 06.30.

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can.

yup

TfL are too generous to National Card holders ;-)

tim

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On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:
On 04/06/2020 18:43, Charles Ellson wrote:
It is reciprocal, the FP holder gets whatever applies to the locals
holding an ENCTS card so if e.g. someone from Greater London visits
Merseyside then they can also (relative to the above) use the bus up
to 06.30.

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies to
any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.


The Senior ENCTS passes conditions are that they are valid on buses
(only) Monday to Friday 09:30 to 23:00, all day at weekends or on Bank
Holidays.

But within their own areas, some authorities (e.g. Greater Manchester,
Merseytravel, West Yorkshire Metro) can extend the validity hours of
their local passes , e.g. to Midnight (or "end of service")

The authorities can (if they wish) provide funds to make passes valid on
trains, trams, etc., but they are free to charge users for such
additional provisions.

In West Yorkshire Metro area, holders of ENCTS Senior passes do not get
free rail travel, but are allowed to purchase half-price rail tickets
for use outside peak hours (for travel within the local area only. )

The South Yorkshire area holders do not get the bus extension to
midnight, but like West Yorkshire, they can get half price off-peak
local rail travel. Bus passes can also be used on trams.

Numerous counties choose not to fund use of senior passes for rail
travel.

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On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:16:53 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



Passengers with a 60+ Oyster card, Older Person's Freedom Pass, or
English National Concessionary Scheme pass will not be able to use
these cards before 09:00 on weekday mornings.

I didn't realise that National card holders could travel before 9:30 anyway


They can on payment of a reduced fare.

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"Peter Johnson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:16:53 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



Passengers with a 60+ Oyster card, Older Person's Freedom Pass, or
English National Concessionary Scheme pass will not be able to use
these cards before 09:00 on weekday mornings.

I didn't realise that National card holders could travel before 9:30
anyway


They can on payment of a reduced fare.

In London!

ITYF that's there no mechanism for that, with busses only accepting
contactless forms of "payment" and National Concession Cards not having an
"attached" wallet (if indeed they are even contactless)

HTH

tim

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On 05/06/2020 10:51, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 22:22:13 +0100, MissRiaElaine

I cannot properly relate to someone whose face I cannot clearly see*.
This is no joke, nor am I making it up. If I can't see your face, it
makes me extremely uneasy.

Is it also an invitation to shoplift if the perpetrator cannot be
identified?

I wonder what the figures are for attempted shop thefts since all this
started. Robbers have worn face coverings since time immemorial. Now
everyone can have a go..!



--
Ria in Aberdeen

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On 05/06/2020 10:47, Marland wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.


As they want as small a number of travellers as practical so that people
who have to make a journey
can have a better opportunity to maintain the 2m distance rule then the
loss of people like you who object to any further restrictions will just be
a welcome side benefit.

No passengers = no revenue. How many businesses can stand that for long..?


--
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In message , at 15:30:37 on Fri, 5 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:

National Concession Cards not having an "attached" wallet (if indeed
they are even contactless)

Of course they are (ITSO).
--
Roland Perry

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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 05/06/2020 10:47, Marland wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.


As they want as small a number of travellers as practical so that people
who have to make a journey
can have a better opportunity to maintain the 2m distance rule then the
loss of people like you who object to any further restrictions will just be
a welcome side benefit.

No passengers = no revenue. How many businesses can stand that for long..?

None, but them's the rules for public transport for the moment.

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On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday with no time restrictions).

--
Clive Page

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On 05/06/2020 18:16, Clive Page wrote:
On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies
to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not
valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday
with no time restrictions).

....whilst presumably you have to be home by midnight on a Sunday? I
wonder whether the "day" used by the checking driver or machine really
changes at 24:00 or at end of service/transition to night buses.

New Freedom pass peak hour restriction
 

MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 05/06/2020 10:47, Marland wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.


As they want as small a number of travellers as practical so that people
who have to make a journey
can have a better opportunity to maintain the 2m distance rule then the
loss of people like you who object to any further restrictions will just be
a welcome side benefit.

No passengers = no revenue. How many businesses can stand that for long..?



Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets or some form thereof
who are allocated a service and have to stick to it.

Okay that is only a what could happen but in the scheme of things whether
you decide to travel or not because of new restrictions such as wearing a
face covering the loss of your subsidised fare isn’t going to have much
bearing on the situation.

GH

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"Marland" wrote in message
...
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 05/06/2020 10:47, Marland wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.


As they want as small a number of travellers as practical so that people
who have to make a journey
can have a better opportunity to maintain the 2m distance rule then the
loss of people like you who object to any further restrictions will just
be
a welcome side benefit.

No passengers = no revenue. How many businesses can stand that for
long..?



Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets

It's not right to conflated workers with season ticket holders

many workers (who use PT to get to work) don't buy season tickets

New Freedom pass peak hour restriction
 

"Clive Page" wrote in message
...
On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies to
any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not
valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday
with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the morning
restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time, and
those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the "oldies have
to pay" rule

tim

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In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
after 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also
applies to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is
not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's
Saturday with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time,
and those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the
"oldies have to pay" rule

There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully paid
ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.
--
Roland Perry

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tim... wrote:


"Marland" wrote in message


Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets

It's not right to conflated workers with season ticket holders

many workers (who use PT to get to work) don't buy season tickets





Which was the reason for the words tacked on the end

“or some form thereof� which you have snipped.

Regular travellers that are used to turn up an go may have to adapt their
habits should space allocation schemes be introduced, what the tickets
would be called I have no idea hence the
some form thereof. It could be just an electronic reservation system but
any thing like that will have to be controlled to make sure those who book
actually make use of it and are not booking just in case and then not
turning up leaving empty space that others could have used.
Personally I can see this will be an opportunity for the train operators to
severely restrict the availability of walk up and go tickets for long
distance services even after the plaque has passed*
but for commuter traffic moving from the situation where even when trains
packed like sardines were not enough to satisfy demand moving to a scenario
where people have to be spaced apart will be such a change as to be
unworkable.

* passing could be it just gets accepted that some people will get it and
some will die.


GH

New Freedom pass peak hour restriction
 

Marland wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Marland" wrote in message


Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets

It's not right to conflated workers with season ticket holders

many workers (who use PT to get to work) don't buy season tickets





Which was the reason for the words tacked on the end

“or some form thereof� which you have snipped.

Regular travellers that are used to turn up an go may have to adapt their
habits should space allocation schemes be introduced, what the tickets
would be called I have no idea hence the
some form thereof. It could be just an electronic reservation system but
any thing like that will have to be controlled to make sure those who book
actually make use of it and are not booking just in case and then not
turning up leaving empty space that others could have used.
Personally I can see this will be an opportunity for the train operators to
severely restrict the availability of walk up and go tickets for long
distance services even after the plaque has passed*
but for commuter traffic moving from the situation where even when trains
packed like sardines were not enough to satisfy demand moving to a scenario
where people have to be spaced apart will be such a change as to be
unworkable.

* passing could be it just gets accepted that some people will get it and
some will die.


There was a recent interesting article by (Lord) Matt Ridley in the
Spectator on how previous pandemics have passed. He makes the point that
there have been many pandemics in history, and vaccines are seldom found
(or, at least, not quickly enough to stop them). It's very rarely possible
to completely eliminate a virus, but all pandemics end within a year or
two, with or without scientific intervention (which wasn't possible till
very recently).

One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.