wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:23:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
to central london and canary wharf. Whether it would be quicker than taking
a train to cannoan street or wherever they go on that line and then tube/walk

I don't know, but having more than 1 option always helps make a place more
popular.

No, they change to Crossrail at Custom House, which is designed as a
convenient interchange station. That gets them to Canary Wharf and the City
much faster than the DLR. It also gets them quickly to the West End, HS2
(which will be open before this extension) and Heathrow.

IME people rarely get off one train to go and wait for another going to the
same destination especially if they have a seat. By the time they've walked
down to the crossrail platforms and waited for a train the DLR train would
probably already be at or near canary wharf or poplar (which is a 5 min walk).

No way. The lines are right alongside each other on the surface, and it
would only take a couple of minutes to cross over. They're then only three
minutes away from Canary Wharf and 10 from Liverpool St.

If they're going to Bank maybe they would depending whether Liverpool Street
is close enough to where they're going.

The Crossrail station also serves Moorgate, and then Barbican/Farringdon.
That's effectively four stations in the City.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 05/08/2020 09:23, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 12:48:58 +0100
Recliner wrote:

Why would future Thamesmead commuters take the DLR all the way to
Bank, even if there were direct trains?

City workers. If the DLR went out that way it would become a commuter hotspot
to central london and canary wharf. Whether it would be quicker than taking
a train to cannoan street or wherever they go on that line and then tube/walk
I don't know, but having more than 1 option always helps make a place more
popular.

No, they change to Crossrail at Custom House, which is designed as a
convenient interchange station.

It's not a cross-platform interchange, even though it would not have
taken much effort to make it one, so I don't think interchange there is
viewed as that important.


Yes, it's a pity it's not cross-platform (ditto at Abbey Wood, where the
interchange *is* important and was originally planned to be
cross-platform). It's probably not important while the DLR only gets as far
as Beckton, but that could change if the DLR gets a further eastern
extension.

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On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 12:48:58 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 07:49:13 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 17:26:36 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 03/08/2020 16:00, wrote:

Quite possibly, however that doesn't change the fact that the DLR is
the
tubes poor relation and adding yet another branch to it would be a
disaster.

I don't see how you can say that. There are parts of the tube where an
extra branch would be great, there are parts where it would not. The
same is true of the DLR. It's just a network of lines, like the tube.

Well I suppose it depends where it connects, but if the trains run to
Bank
which they'll need to to be any use it'll clog up an already clogged up
route
(covid notwithstanding).

Why would future Thamesmead commuters take the DLR all the way to
Bank, even if there were direct trains?

City workers. If the DLR went out that way it would become a commuter
hotspot
to central london and canary wharf.

only if you want to live in one of London's most deprived areas

not something the average city worker aspires to

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 11:44:00 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



wrote in message ...
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 12:48:58 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 07:49:13 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 17:26:36 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 03/08/2020 16:00, wrote:

Quite possibly, however that doesn't change the fact that the DLR is
the
tubes poor relation and adding yet another branch to it would be a
disaster.

I don't see how you can say that. There are parts of the tube where an
extra branch would be great, there are parts where it would not. The
same is true of the DLR. It's just a network of lines, like the tube.

Well I suppose it depends where it connects, but if the trains run to
Bank
which they'll need to to be any use it'll clog up an already clogged up
route
(covid notwithstanding).

Why would future Thamesmead commuters take the DLR all the way to
Bank, even if there were direct trains?

City workers. If the DLR went out that way it would become a commuter
hotspot
to central london and canary wharf.

only if you want to live in one of London's most deprived areas

How do you know? The aim is to build a new town.


not something the average city worker aspires to

It'll appeal to people who can afford properties in the new town, and
work somewhere in London (not just the City).

On 05/08/2020 13:02, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 11:44:00 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:

only if you want to live in one of London's most deprived areas

How do you know? The aim is to build a new town.

not something the average city worker aspires to

It'll appeal to people who can afford properties in the new town, and
work somewhere in London (not just the City).

And Clockwork Orange fans!

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
The Legendary Pink Dots - 1984 - Faces In The Fire

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 13:30:28 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 05/08/2020 13:02, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 11:44:00 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:

only if you want to live in one of London's most deprived areas

How do you know? The aim is to build a new town.

not something the average city worker aspires to

It'll appeal to people who can afford properties in the new town, and
work somewhere in London (not just the City).

And Clockwork Orange fans!

Yes, though I suspect that the backdrops from that film will have been
demolished by then (if they haven't already?).

The impression I have is that they basically plan to knock down the
ugly concrete towers and start again.

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 09:24:51 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:23:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
to central london and canary wharf. Whether it would be quicker than taking

a train to cannoan street or wherever they go on that line and then
tube/walk

I don't know, but having more than 1 option always helps make a place more
popular.

No, they change to Crossrail at Custom House, which is designed as a
convenient interchange station. That gets them to Canary Wharf and the City
much faster than the DLR. It also gets them quickly to the West End, HS2
(which will be open before this extension) and Heathrow.

IME people rarely get off one train to go and wait for another going to the
same destination especially if they have a seat. By the time they've walked
down to the crossrail platforms and waited for a train the DLR train would
probably already be at or near canary wharf or poplar (which is a 5 min
walk).

No way. The lines are right alongside each other on the surface, and it
would only take a couple of minutes to cross over. They're then only three
minutes away from Canary Wharf and 10 from Liverpool St.

3 minutes once a train bothers to show up (service frequencies are a nice
work of fiction whenever NR is involved which is why the Overground can't be
relied on) which may be packed anyway. I really doubt many people would bother.

On 05/08/2020 11:44, tim... wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 12:48:58 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 07:49:13 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 17:26:36 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 03/08/2020 16:00, wrote:

Quite possibly, however that doesn't change the fact that the DLR
is the
tubes poor relation and adding yet another branch to it would be a
disaster.

I don't see how you can say that. There are parts of the tube where an
extra branch would be great, there are parts where it would not. The
same is true of the DLR. It's just a network of lines, like the tube.

Well I suppose it depends where it connects, but if the trains run
to Bank
which they'll need to to be any use it'll clog up an already clogged
up route
(covid notwithstanding).

Why would future Thamesmead commuters take the DLR all the way to
Bank, even if there were direct trains?

City workers. If the DLR went out that way it would become a commuter
hotspot
to central london and canary wharf.

only if you want to live in one of London's most deprived areas

not something the average city worker aspires to




Not heard of gentrification?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall wrote:
On 05/08/2020 11:44, tim... wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 12:48:58 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 07:49:13 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 17:26:36 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 03/08/2020 16:00, wrote:

Quite possibly, however that doesn't change the fact that the DLR
is the
tubes poor relation and adding yet another branch to it would be a
disaster.

I don't see how you can say that. There are parts of the tube where an
extra branch would be great, there are parts where it would not. The
same is true of the DLR. It's just a network of lines, like the tube.

Well I suppose it depends where it connects, but if the trains run
to Bank
which they'll need to to be any use it'll clog up an already clogged
up route
(covid notwithstanding).

Why would future Thamesmead commuters take the DLR all the way to
Bank, even if there were direct trains?

City workers. If the DLR went out that way it would become a commuter
hotspot
to central london and canary wharf.

only if you want to live in one of London's most deprived areas

not something the average city worker aspires to




Not heard of gentrification?


I think the concrete wastelands of Thamesmead would be immune from that.
But if they're replaced by smart riverside apartment blocks and leafy low
rise 'executive housing' with 'water festures', they could become quite
desirable.

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 20:25:36 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
Not heard of gentrification?


I think the concrete wastelands of Thamesmead would be immune from that.
But if they're replaced by smart riverside apartment blocks and leafy low
rise 'executive housing' with 'water festures', they could become quite
desirable.

Compare Canary Wharf in the 80s to now, albeit for a certain meaning of
"desirable". Living in an overpriced box 20 floors up looking at skyscrapers
is not my idea of it but it certainly works for some people.