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Scott · August 11th 20, 10:03 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:58:30 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:04:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

No idea.

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

I'm not fussed enough, but thats not the point. Why is the cash option being
dropped? Any covid excuses are BS since the staff never need to physically
touch it, they just empty the bucket into something Securicor (or whoever)
take away.

A trader I knew said that once handling costs and pay-in charges are
taken into account, cash is more expensive to process than a debit
card.

Roland Perry · August 11th 20, 10:09 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

In message , at 07:48:39 on Tue, 11 Aug
2020, remarked:

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.

Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Is that all forms of cash, or only over-the-counter cash? Specifically,
have they disabled the coinslots and note-readers on the TVMs.
--
Roland Perry

Graeme Wall · August 11th 20, 10:24 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:39:31 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.

Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

[email protected] · August 11th 20, 10:54 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:09:39 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:48:39 on Tue, 11 Aug
2020, remarked:

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.

Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very
difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Is that all forms of cash, or only over-the-counter cash? Specifically,
have they disabled the coinslots and note-readers on the TVMs.

What counters? Certainly the coinslots on the ticket machines I saw were
closed and the "Pay other amount" option in the on screen menu had gone.

[email protected] · August 11th 20, 10:54 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first

place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

So is anything touched by people though copper coins tend to kill most
pathogens. I dread to think what is on the keypad button of card readers.

Graeme Wall · August 11th 20, 11:52 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

On 11/08/2020 10:54, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first

place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

So is anything touched by people though copper coins tend to kill most
pathogens. I dread to think what is on the keypad button of card readers.

When did you last see a copper coin?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

[email protected] · August 11th 20, 12:43 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:52:08 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 10:54, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the
first

place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

So is anything touched by people though copper coins tend to kill most
pathogens. I dread to think what is on the keypad button of card readers.

When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn
your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know
that.

Graeme Wall · August 11th 20, 01:11 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

On 11/08/2020 12:43, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:52:08 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 10:54, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the
first

place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

So is anything touched by people though copper coins tend to kill most
pathogens. I dread to think what is on the keypad button of card readers.

When did you last see a copper coin?

Last time I handled a 2p piece which was only recently. And before you turn
your pedant mode to up 11 I know its copper plated but the germs don't know
that.

How many TfL ticket machines still accept 2p pieces?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Scott · August 11th 20, 01:46 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:24:40 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 11/08/2020 08:48, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:39:31 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 10/08/2020 10:22, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:02:08 +0100
MikeS wrote:
On 10/08/2020 08:40, wrote:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash. I asked one of the staff
about this apparently "temporary" measure and he said he doubts the
facility
will ever come back and I tend to believe him. So thats another avenue of
anonymity out the window. How long before Oyster cards themselves are
consigned to history and we have to use a bank card everywhere so we can
be nicely tracked not only by TfL but by the banks too?

TfL's website lists 69 tube stations which it says still accept cash,
plus DLR and Overground.

Oyster cards can be bought and topped up at newsagents and other shops
all over the TfL area. I doubt they all refuse cash either.

Common sense says that the OP cannot be correct because it would be
impossible for anyone without a bank account to use London's buses.

Plenty of shops and cafes are not accepting cash or making it very difficult
to pay with it by making self serve machines card only and having to queue
for
the single assistant at the till, so what makes you think TfL give a damn?

Because TfL are required by the politicians to give a damn, and consider
the edge cases and goat herders.

It was politicians (I'm not sure whether it was Sadiq Squirt or Number 10)
that told them to stop accepting cash in imost of their stations in the first
place according to the member of staff I spoke to.

Cash is a known vector in the transmission of various diseases.

At least notes can be washed nowadays through the process known as
money-laundering. Would 60 degrees be sufficient :-)

Roland Perry · August 11th 20, 02:36 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london

In message , at 10:03:44 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Scott remarked:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:58:30 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:04:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:40:56 on Mon, 10 Aug
2020, remarked:
I took the tube for the first time in months yesterday and it seems you
can no longer update your oyster card with cash.

Is that a subset of the TVMs perhaps not accepting cash for *any*
transaction?

No idea.

I asked one of the staff about this apparently "temporary" measure and
he said he doubts the facility will ever come back and I tend to
believe him. So thats another avenue of anonymity out the window.

Get yourself a pre-pay credit card, for example from a bureau
-de-change. That'll break the chain of traceability unless you are a
suspected terrorist on the run.

I'm not fussed enough, but thats not the point. Why is the cash option being
dropped? Any covid excuses are BS since the staff never need to physically
touch it, they just empty the bucket into something Securicor (or whoever)
take away.

A trader I knew said that once handling costs and pay-in charges are
taken into account, cash is more expensive to process than a debit
card.

It depends a lot on what sector the business is in. For example,
traditionally the card companies gave petrol stations very low
commission rates, because it accustomed the public to using cards.

If you are in the pub trade and need to pay your wholesale grocer in
cash when they deliver every morning (because your trade-credit rating
is pants), it might well make sense not to discourage cash.
--
Roland Perry

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