On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:12:51 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of
maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just
laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the
area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around
there.


Are the people in the motor vehicles all going to the same place as the
train would take them?

Don't know tbh, but there are a lot of buses that go to tube and railway
stations nearby and given its a london suburb you can bet a lot of people
work in town. Or did before covid.

wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:39:05 +0100
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.


Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.

Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.

Yes, all TfL projects that weren't already under way are on hold.

So, the new Piccadilly line train order is going ahead, but the extension
of the order to replace the even-older Bakerloo line trains is on hold.
That delay will become expensive if it leads to a break in production in
Goole. And, of course, the Bakerloo extension, also on hold, will depend on
the new train order going ahead. The Piccadilly resignalling, needed for a
higher frequency service, is also on hold. So they can't order the extra
trains that the Piccadilly would need for that higher frequency service. It
really is a logjam.

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:34:16 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:39:05 +0100
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.


Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.

Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.

I thought Battersea was external funding.

Scott wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:34:16 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:39:05 +0100
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.


Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.

Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.

I thought Battersea was external funding.


I think only partly. But it does mean there are external contractual
commitments to get it finished and open.

There was also supposed to be an order for extra trains for the Northern
line, but that was quietly dropped a while ago.

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:58:34 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
I think only partly. But it does mean there are external contractual
commitments to get it finished and open.

There was also supposed to be an order for extra trains for the Northern
line, but that was quietly dropped a while ago.

I wonder if they could tack a few onto the back of the picc order or whether
the trains would be too different to be able to run on the northern without
serious modifications. The northern line at 1 point had 3 different train
types running on it - 38,59,72 so it wouldn't be unprecedented.