On 12/10/2020 10:07, Sam Wilson wrote:
Certes wrote:
On 11/10/2020 17:19, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:02:42 on Sun, 11 Oct
2020, remarked:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 11:32:43 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
Or you could just use a different news server. Usenet is a
distributed system

and thankfully, Google does not control it, they just offer access.
I was
able
to add uk.railway from astraweb and downloaded over 1m headers.

Spam in unmoderated Usenet groups has been around since the
beginning of
time.
The traditional way of dealing with it is a newsreader than offers
reasonable

keyword and baysean filtering.


Unfortunately there are people who think that usenet groups are part of
Google Groups, and not something that existed long before Google was
invented. So when GG cuts off access to a usenet group, because of
all the
drug spam that was being injected via GG, those people think the
group is
dead and gone, hence the misleading title of this thread.

I'm curious as to which drug dealers are so dumb they think the
demographic
on usenet would be the slightest bit interested in their wares. They'd be
far better off spamming snapchat or tiktok in some way.

What's going on here is that the people purporting to sell the drugs
(let's assume for now they aren't actually trying to propagate
drive-by-malware) are sold a package of 'places/people we'll spam for
you' by a broker.

It's the broker who adds Usenet to that portfolio, and frankly the
spammers don't have much of an incentive to try to reduce the price by
asking them to desist from spamming Usenet.

Perhaps they have never heard of Usenet but target Google Groups, seeing
Google as a young trendy company with products attractive to drug users.
From their perspective, Google Groups used to run a forum called
uk.railway which has now been banned by Google and no longer exists.

Interestingly I’ve seen one Ketamine etc ad since the cut off, ostensibly
injected into Usenet from XSUsenet.com with no sign of Google in the Path:
header or elsewhere.

I don’t know who XSUsenet are and I’m not sure I want to poke too hard.

Sam

Much of the drug etc spam on Usenet seems to arrive via Google so it
would be best if they drop all Usenet groups.

Usenet was designed to use with clients and there are still plenty of
free PC ones. I cannot understand why anyone in this thread is lamenting
the loss of access from Google Groups except perhaps the dearth of free
Usenet clients to use on a phone.

On 12/10/2020 15:36, MikeS wrote:
On 12/10/2020 10:07, Sam Wilson wrote:
Certes wrote:
On 11/10/2020 17:19, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:02:42 on Sun, 11 Oct
2020, remarked:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 11:32:43 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
Or you could just use a different news server. Usenet is a
distributed system

and thankfully, Google does not control it, they just offer access.
I was
able
to add uk.railway from astraweb and downloaded over 1m headers.

Spam in unmoderated Usenet groups has been around since the
beginning of
time.
The traditional way of dealing with it is a newsreader than offers
reasonable

keyword and baysean filtering.


Unfortunately there are people who think that usenet groups are
part of
Google Groups, and not something that existed long before Google was
invented. So when GG cuts off access to a usenet group, because of
all the
drug spam that was being injected via GG, those people think the
group is
dead and gone, hence the misleading title of this thread.

I'm curious as to which drug dealers are so dumb they think the
demographic
on usenet would be the slightest bit interested in their wares.
They'd be
far better off spamming snapchat or tiktok in some way.

What's going on here is that the people purporting to sell the drugs
(let's assume for now they aren't actually trying to propagate
drive-by-malware) are sold a package of 'places/people we'll spam for
you' by a broker.

It's the broker who adds Usenet to that portfolio, and frankly the
spammers don't have much of an incentive to try to reduce the price by
asking them to desist from spamming Usenet.

Perhaps they have never heard of Usenet but target Google Groups, seeing
Google as a young trendy company with products attractive to drug users.
Â*From their perspective, Google Groups used to run a forum called
uk.railway which has now been banned by Google and no longer exists.

Interestingly I’ve seen one Ketamine etc ad since the cut off, ostensibly
injected into Usenet from XSUsenet.com with no sign of Google in the
Path:
header or elsewhere.

I don’t know who XSUsenet are and I’m not sure I want to poke too hard.

Sam

Much of the drug etc spam on Usenet seems to arrive via Google so it
would be best if they drop all Usenet groups.

Usenet was designed to use with clients and there are still plenty of
free PC ones. I cannot understand why anyone in this thread is lamenting
the loss of access from Google Groups except perhaps the dearth of free
Usenet clients to use on a phone.

Google Groups was as easy to search as any other website. Usenet isn't.

In message , at 15:36:04 on Mon, 12 Oct
2020, MikeS remarked:

I cannot understand why anyone in this thread is lamenting the loss of
access from Google Groups except perhaps the dearth of free Usenet
clients to use on a phone.

It's the archive search which is most important.
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:50:39 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:36:04 on Mon, 12 Oct
2020, MikeS remarked:

I cannot understand why anyone in this thread is lamenting the loss of
access from Google Groups except perhaps the dearth of free Usenet
clients to use on a phone.

It's the archive search which is most important.

If it leads to the end of "But 5 years ago you wrote this...","Yes but 7 years
ago you stated...." type threads that go on forever it can only be a good thing.

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:36:04 on Mon, 12 Oct
2020, MikeS remarked:

I cannot understand why anyone in this thread is lamenting the loss of
access from Google Groups except perhaps the dearth of free Usenet
clients to use on a phone.

It's the archive search which is most important.

Yes. I'd be happy if GG still actively hosted the group on a read-only,
searchable basis. We don't need posts from GG, but it would be nice if GG
users could read posts from elsewhere.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:50:39 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 15:36:04 on Mon, 12 Oct
2020, MikeS remarked:

I cannot understand why anyone in this thread is lamenting the loss of
access from Google Groups except perhaps the dearth of free Usenet
clients to use on a phone.

It's the archive search which is most important.

Which they broke many years ago.

On 12/10/2020 16:50, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:36:04 on Mon, 12 Oct
2020, MikeS remarked:

I cannot understand why anyone in this thread is lamenting the loss of
access from Google Groups except perhaps the dearth of free Usenet
clients to use on a phone.

It's the archive search which is most important.

TBH I cannot say I have ever wanted to search old Usenet posts but those
of you suffering withdrawal symptoms might like to take a look here
http://www.harley.com/usenet/usenet-...nzb-files.html
For anyone really desperate there is also the expensive Giganews archive.

In article , Sam Wilson
astmail.co.uk writes
big snip

I don’t know who XSUsenet are and I’m not sure I want to poke too hard.


XSUsenet.com is a news-reader (or do I mean "client"?) which (a) is free
and (b) carries binary groups like alt.binaries.pictures.rail.
--
Bill Borland

On 2020-10-12, Bill Borland wrote:
In article , Sam Wilson
astmail.co.uk writes
big snip

I don’t know who XSUsenet are and I’m not sure I want to poke too hard.


XSUsenet.com is a news-reader (or do I mean "client"?) which (a) is free
and (b) carries binary groups like alt.binaries.pictures.rail.

XSUsenet is not a news-reader (or any other sort of client), it is a
provider, which is why it can "carry" a binary group if it feels like it.
There is a free account type, but you can't post through it. I have
no direct experience, but it seems to live in the same market niche
as Giganews.

I have a suspicion that any usenet provider with paid accounts, binary
groups, and a VPN product is making most of its money from those who
want binary groups which are not at all like alt.binaries.pictures.rail .

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 11:32:43 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
Or you could just use a different news server. Usenet is a distributed system
and thankfully, Google does not control it, they just offer access. I was able
to add uk.railway from astraweb and downloaded over 1m headers.

Spam in unmoderated Usenet groups has been around since the beginning of time.
The traditional way of dealing with it is a newsreader than offers reasonable
keyword and baysean filtering.

Unfortunately there are people who think that usenet groups are part of
Google Groups, and not something that existed long before Google was
invented. So when GG cuts off access to a usenet group, because of all the
drug spam that was being injected via GG, those people think the group is
dead and gone, hence the misleading title of this thread.

My sense of history is that Usenet predated the Internet.