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![]() "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 10:06:04 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. What's the situation with the existing CC? Do all London residents get the discount, or only those living inside the rather small zone itself you have to live inside the zone the reason is that the charge is raised on all cars parked on street in the zone, even if you don't drive anywhere that day |
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![]() "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 21:11:51 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020, tim... remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020, tim... remarked: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...haun-bailey-ra lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html Other media available As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously suggesting this The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to whatever service that they need. People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car. and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous That's only if you use it every day. or if it's parked on-street If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at the next election It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically This will be seen as the Mayor's fault, will it? Not convinced so Labour will get the flack. but it's still a bag of nonsense socially. It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit. we know that but why should car owners in this zone pay for it? One reason is that they are (like it or not) under Tfl's umbrella, and so are one of the more direct sources of income. that's a because we can, not because we should the original question remains. Rather than for example imposing a council tax surcharge on everyone in London. Another is that if TfL has to drastically cut services it'll force more vehicles onto the roads, inconveniencing existing motorists. you may think that I may think that Non-users of PT asked to subsidise PT, don't think that |
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In message , at 14:17:16 on
Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 13:59:08 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:06:04 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. What's the situation with the existing CC? Do all London residents get the discount, or only those living inside the rather small zone itself Your main home has to be in the zone to qualify, and the vehicle must be registered with the DVLA in your name and at the address you are using to apply for the discount. Otherwise it wouldn't be a *residents'* discount. OK, so the same issue applies today for people living just outside the existing zone, as for an extended zone. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 14:51:54 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, tim... remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 10:06:04 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. What's the situation with the existing CC? Do all London residents get the discount, or only those living inside the rather small zone itself you have to live inside the zone the reason is that the charge is raised on all cars parked on street in the zone, even if you don't drive anywhere that day Will they be doing patrols for such static cars if the zone is extended? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 14:56:41 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, tim... remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 21:11:51 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020, tim... remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020, tim... remarked: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...haun-bailey-ra lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html Other media available As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously suggesting this The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to whatever service that they need. People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car. and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous That's only if you use it every day. or if it's parked on-street If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at the next election It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically This will be seen as the Mayor's fault, will it? Not convinced so Labour will get the flack. but it's still a bag of nonsense socially. It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit. we know that but why should car owners in this zone pay for it? One reason is that they are (like it or not) under Tfl's umbrella, and so are one of the more direct sources of income. that's a because we can, not because we should the original question remains. Rather than for example imposing a council tax surcharge on everyone in London. Another is that if TfL has to drastically cut services it'll force more vehicles onto the roads, inconveniencing existing motorists. you may think that I may think that Non-users of PT asked to subsidise PT, don't think that I note your disagreement on pretty much anything. Perhaps we can agree that by default we disagree, and save a lot of typing? -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:17:16 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 13:59:08 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:06:04 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. What's the situation with the existing CC? Do all London residents get the discount, or only those living inside the rather small zone itself Your main home has to be in the zone to qualify, and the vehicle must be registered with the DVLA in your name and at the address you are using to apply for the discount. Otherwise it wouldn't be a *residents'* discount. OK, so the same issue applies today for people living just outside the existing zone, as for an extended zone. No, as a glance at a map should explain to you. |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:36:03 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, tim... remarked: "As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents' discount is closed to new applicants" ...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered. but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that they have clean hands Which will be difficult when the mayor responsible for agreeing to the charge is from their party. Shaun Bailey isn't mayor, and in any case, hasn't agreed to it. Sadiq Khan certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the TfL services (apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days. |
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In message , at 14:49:46 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:17:16 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 13:59:08 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:06:04 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. What's the situation with the existing CC? Do all London residents get the discount, or only those living inside the rather small zone itself Your main home has to be in the zone to qualify, and the vehicle must be registered with the DVLA in your name and at the address you are using to apply for the discount. Otherwise it wouldn't be a *residents'* discount. OK, so the same issue applies today for people living just outside the existing zone, as for an extended zone. No, as a glance at a map should explain to you. Why does it make a difference to the inconvenience of a zone on your doorstep if you are living just the wrong side of Euston Road, or just the wrong side of the North Circular? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 14:52:18 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:36:03 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, tim... remarked: "As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents' discount is closed to new applicants" ...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered. but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that they have clean hands Which will be difficult when the mayor responsible for agreeing to the charge is from their party. Shaun Bailey isn't mayor, and in any case, hasn't agreed to it. He won't be the one implementing it. Sadiq Khan certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the TfL services (apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days. That'll be fun. -- Roland Perry |
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![]() "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 14:51:54 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, tim... remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 10:06:04 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Recliner remarked: I'd imagine that it would also severely impact people living or working just outside the Circular Roads, and they wouldn't even have the option of a resident's discount. What's the situation with the existing CC? Do all London residents get the discount, or only those living inside the rather small zone itself you have to live inside the zone the reason is that the charge is raised on all cars parked on street in the zone, even if you don't drive anywhere that day Will they be doing patrols for such static cars if the zone is extended? that's what they do inside now but the huge increase in scale makes that enforcement impractical which is what Recliner said earlier |
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