Roland Perry wrote:

It's just a cultural thing, like many Europeans have names like Magnus
Magnus*son*, and innumerable similar Slavic suffices.

In Iceland, the “son� or “dottir� name isn’t a surname, it’s a patronymic.
It doesn’t follow down the generations like surnames do.

So the son of Magnus Sveinnson could be Óðinn Magnusson and his daughter
SigrÃ*ður Magnusdottir.
--
Jeremy Double

On 8 Jan 2021 08:08:51 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

It's just a cultural thing, like many Europeans have names like Magnus
Magnus*son*, and innumerable similar Slavic suffices.

In Iceland, the “son� or “dottir� name isn’t a surname, it’s a
patronymic.
It doesn’t follow down the generations like surnames do.

It must make doing family tree searches and census's fun. I wonder if its
a legal requirement? If someone named Smith moved there from the UK would
their son or daughter have to be smithson or smithdottir or could they just
be called smith?

Russians do something similar but sensibly the patronymic becomes a middle
name.

On 08/01/2021 10:07, wrote:
On 8 Jan 2021 08:08:51 GMT
Jeremy Double wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

It's just a cultural thing, like many Europeans have names like Magnus
Magnus*son*, and innumerable similar Slavic suffices.

In Iceland, the “son� or “dottir� name isn’t a surname, it’s a
patronymic.
It doesn’t follow down the generations like surnames do.

It must make doing family tree searches and census's fun. I wonder if its
a legal requirement? If someone named Smith moved there from the UK would
their son or daughter have to be smithson or smithdottir or could they just
be called smith?

They would be Johnson and Johnsdottir, not Smith.


Russians do something similar but sensibly the patronymic becomes a middle
name.




--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

wrote in message
...
On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this
year?

Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?

try using that term in the family homes of 30 something's who have died and
see where it gets you

On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 10:33:29 -0000
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this
year?

Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?

try using that term in the family homes of 30 something's who have died and
see where it gets you

Some young people die of dementia, cancer, flu, falling down the stairs etc.
But they're a tiny minority so whats your point?

Jeremy Double wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

It's just a cultural thing, like many Europeans have names like Magnus
Magnus*son*, and innumerable similar Slavic suffices.

In Iceland, the “son� or “dottir� name isn’t a surname, it’s a patronymic.
It doesn’t follow down the generations like surnames do.

So the son of Magnus Sveinnson could be Óðinn Magnusson and his daughter
SigrÃ*ður Magnusdottir.

I don’t see how that makes it less of a “surname�, as it is still a second
part to the name. What makes it different it it is not an inherited
surname, as was the Frankish and now near universal custom, or some other
sort of byname, another common alternative at one time.

Robin

On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 11:45:50 -0000 (UTC)
Bob wrote:
Jeremy Double wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

It's just a cultural thing, like many Europeans have names like Magnus
Magnus*son*, and innumerable similar Slavic suffices.

In Iceland, the “son� or “dottir� name isn’t a surname, it’s a
patronymic.
It doesn’t follow down the generations like surnames do.

So the son of Magnus Sveinnson could be Óðinn Magnusson and his daughter
SigrÃ*ður Magnusdottir.

I don’t see how that makes it less of a “surname�, as it is still a
second
part to the name. What makes it different it it is not an inherited
surname, as was the Frankish and now near universal custom, or some other

I doubt the Frankish approach had much affect on the far east or africa
where surnames AFAIK behave in the same way as in europe of their own
volition.

wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 11:45:50 -0000 (UTC)
Bob wrote:
Jeremy Double wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

It's just a cultural thing, like many Europeans have names like Magnus
Magnus*son*, and innumerable similar Slavic suffices.

In Iceland, the “son� or “dottir� name isn’t a surname, it’s a
patronymic.
It doesn’t follow down the generations like surnames do.

So the son of Magnus Sveinnson could be Óðinn Magnusson and his daughter
SigrÃ*ður Magnusdottir.

I don’t see how that makes it less of a “surname�, as it is still a
second
part to the name. What makes it different it it is not an inherited
surname, as was the Frankish and now near universal custom, or some other

I doubt the Frankish approach had much affect on the far east or africa
where surnames AFAIK behave in the same way as in europe of their own
volition.


I can’t speak for Africa, but in a lot of far eastern cultures the family
name comes first with the personal name second. There are a limited number
of options for names beyond personal ones though, and it’s pretty well
inevitable that there was parallel independent adoption. What did come from
the Franks in Europe is the idea of an immutable inherited surname (rather
than a byname that is only attached to the individual and not inherited, or
a patronymic name).

Robin

In message , tim...
writes


wrote in message
...
On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this
year?

Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?

try using that term in the family homes of 30 something's who have died
and see where it gets you




To a person with a mental age of 5 even someone of 30 is a geriatric
--
Bryan Morris

On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 13:40:49 +0000
Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , tim...
writes


wrote in message
...
On 5 Jan 2021 09:46:34 GMT
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote:
The official version is up:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Is the Northern line Battersea extension still due to open later this
year?

Have the contractors been packed off home to save them from the geriatrics
virus or are they still working?

try using that term in the family homes of 30 something's who have died
and see where it gets you




To a person with a mental age of 5 even someone of 30 is a geriatric

To the self absorbed boomer generation society must grind to a halt and
everyone be put under house arrest just so they can avoid covid and eake out
their last remaining years counting their money. Everything is about you
boomers.