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During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was
advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? |
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Gary Jenkins wrote:
During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. As far as I can recall, they have been suggesting this since the incident a couple of years ago when a very hot and crowded Victoria Line train was stuck near Highbury and Islington for quite some time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2686441.stm Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? dave |
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Gary Jenkins wrote: During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. another link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/re...res/tube.shtml |
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Gary Jenkins wrote:
During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? Might be a good idea if they put vending machins selling bottled water on the tube rather than the endless chocolate and sugary fizzy drink. |
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"Stuart" wrote in message ... Gary Jenkins wrote: During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? Might be a good idea if they put vending machins selling bottled water on the tube rather than the endless chocolate and sugary fizzy drink. Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each platform. |
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JB wrote:
Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each platform. Ah, you mean urinals? ;-) (They will most likely be used as such......) -- Lars Elmvang ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Min mailadresse finder du ved kun at skrive det overeksponerede domænenavn én gang |
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"JB" wrote in message ... Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each platform. It wouldn't be allowed by H&S. Water would have to be in sealed containers. |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:05:28 +0100, Jack Taylor wrote:
"JB" wrote in message ... Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each platform. It wouldn't be allowed by H&S. Why not? One of the things I like about The US is in most public places their will be a water fountain. If they can handle it why can't we? Water would have to be in sealed containers. Why is it different from the tap in the corner of my office? David |
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Gary Jenkins wrote: During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? Might be a good idea if they put vending machins selling bottled water on the tube rather than the endless chocolate and sugary fizzy drink. The Coca-Cola machine I last tried (Harrow-on-the-Hill I think but could have been Preston Road) did sell water but it was empty... -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message . .. "JB" wrote in message ... Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each platform. It wouldn't be allowed by H&S. Water would have to be in sealed containers. Is that motivated purely by H&S considerations or (being cynical) could it be that bottled water can be charged for (and therefore someone can make a profit out of those sales) whereas a water fountain cannot easily be made profitable? What is the perceived hazard from having water coming out of a tap, the way it has done for many decades and the way that it still does in private houses? As long as the water comes from the rising main and not from a storage tank, I don't see what the problem is. |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message ...
"JB" wrote in message ... Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each platform. It wouldn't be allowed by H&S. Water would have to be in sealed containers. How would you drink it then ? ;-) |
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Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each
platform. It wouldn't be allowed by H&S. Water would have to be in sealed containers. The sooner HSC/HSE are banned from the railways the better! |
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"Martin Underwood" wrote
Is that motivated purely by H&S considerations or (being cynical) could it be that bottled water can be charged for (and therefore someone can make a profit out of those sales) whereas a water fountain cannot easily be made profitable? As a side thought, I think I am right in saying that in restaurants in France, a bottle of water has to be paid for, but if you ask for a jugful they are prohibited by law from charging. |
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"Henry" wrote the following in:
"Martin Underwood" wrote Is that motivated purely by H&S considerations or (being cynical) could it be that bottled water can be charged for (and therefore someone can make a profit out of those sales) whereas a water fountain cannot easily be made profitable? As a side thought, I think I am right in saying that in restaurants in France, a bottle of water has to be paid for, but if you ask for a jugful they are prohibited by law from charging. I'm pretty sure that in the UK you can ask for tap water and they have to give you it free. -- message by Robin May, but I would say that, wouldn't I? "GIVE IN! IT'S TIME TO GO!" - The NHS offers a high standard of care. "You MUST NOT drive dangerously" - the Highway Code Spelling lesson: then and than are different words. |
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Stuart wrote:
Gary Jenkins wrote: During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? Might be a good idea if they put vending machins selling bottled water on the tube rather than the endless chocolate and sugary fizzy drink. They already do - almost all of the machines I have seen (notably the ones at KxSTP/Gloucester Road WB) all sell Coke, Diet Coke and bottled water. Whether or not there is anything in the machine is another matter. Brad |
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Robin May wrote:
"Henry" wrote the following in: "Martin Underwood" wrote Is that motivated purely by H&S considerations or (being cynical) could it be that bottled water can be charged for (and therefore someone can make a profit out of those sales) whereas a water fountain cannot easily be made profitable? As a side thought, I think I am right in saying that in restaurants in France, a bottle of water has to be paid for, but if you ask for a jugful they are prohibited by law from charging. I'm pretty sure that in the UK you can ask for tap water and they have to give you it free. Not unless it has changed recently. A publican or restaurateur is entitled to charge for the labour ,use of the glass etc. Since they are also paying for the water on a commercial basis they are surely entitled to pass that charge on? |
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Henry wrote:
"Martin Underwood" wrote Is that motivated purely by H&S considerations or (being cynical) could it be that bottled water can be charged for (and therefore someone can make a profit out of those sales) whereas a water fountain cannot easily be made profitable? As a side thought, I think I am right in saying that in restaurants in France, a bottle of water has to be paid for, but if you ask for a jugful they are prohibited by law from charging. I believe so, and I find that a request for "une carafe d'eau" is accepted more willingly in France than asking for tap water in an English restaurant. I have never been charged for tap water in either country, though I once found a restaurant (Old Siam in Reading) that refused to serve it. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Stuart" wrote in message ... Gary Jenkins wrote: During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? Might be a good idea if they put vending machins selling bottled water on the tube rather than the endless chocolate and sugary fizzy drink. They have... -- Cheers, Steve. If The Good Lord had meant for us to be fiscally prudent, He would not have given us the platinum credit card... Change colour to PC Plod's lights to reply. |
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"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message ... Not unless it has changed recently. A publican or restaurateur is entitled to charge for the labour ,use of the glass etc. Since they are also paying for the water on a commercial basis they are surely entitled to pass that charge on? There was recently a case in Devon (IIRC) where a customer was charged for tap water. The restaurateur made exactly the above case. However, South West Water pointed out that the cost of the water, delivering it to the table and the cost of water used in washing the glass would be something like 0.00001p. The customer did the most sensible thing in such circumstances and referred the details to the local press, who had a field day with the case and utterly humiliated the restaurateur. Even the national press picked up on it. The restaurateur might have salvaged some pride with a bit of humility but made himself look an even bigger fool by adamantly standing by his position. Whilst there is nothing in law to stop anyone charging for tap water in their own establishment, the majority of places regard it as a negligible cost and that the goodwill is worth significantly more. |
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"Gary Jenkins" wrote in message om... During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? For the last two summers, bottled water was being handed out at many central tube stations free of charge in the mornings, although I strongly suspect that this gesture was entirely at the expense of Volvic/Evian/Whoever, rather than being a LU or TFL-sponsored thing .... Matt |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:05:28 +0100, "Jack Taylor"
wrote: "JB" wrote in message ... Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each platform. It wouldn't be allowed by H&S. Water would have to be in sealed containers. I remember that when I was a sprog Barons Court had a fountain on at least one platform. Fountains in parks etc were more common than now. One I remember still stood six months ago in the entrance to the park near Turnhan Green station.Not the park directly opposite,the one other side of the bridge. ISTR that it and others like it (big brown things) had metal cups attached by chains as well. And I also remember being admonished for taking a drink from a horse trough of which there were still working examples around. Despite availing myselfs of these facilities which have been withdrawn now because of Health concerns I seem to have not suffered. Needed a visit to a GP last year due to a broken ankle. Found since my last visit which was to register back in 1974 that the practise had closed and flats built on the site. G.Harman |
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Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on
with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone know whether any progress has been made? John In article , M J Forbes writes "Gary Jenkins" wrote in message . com... During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? For the last two summers, bottled water was being handed out at many central tube stations free of charge in the mornings, although I strongly suspect that this gesture was entirely at the expense of Volvic/Evian/Whoever, rather than being a LU or TFL-sponsored thing .... Matt -- John Alexander, |
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What is the perceived hazard from having water coming out of a tap, the way it has done for many decades and the way that it still does in private houses? As long as the water comes from the rising main and not from a storage tank, I don't see what the problem is. Especially considering some stations appear to have water continually leaking from unknown sources onto/into the trackbed. Andrew |
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In message , Richard J.
writes I believe so, and I find that a request for "une carafe d'eau" is accepted more willingly in France than asking for tap water in an English restaurant. I have never been charged for tap water in either country, though I once found a restaurant (Old Siam in Reading) that refused to serve it. I've often asked for, and got, a jug of water in London restaurants. I've not been refused yet, though I have to be quick before someone in the group pipes up for 'mineral water, please'. -- congokid Good restaurants in London? Number one on Google http://congokid.com |
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J.B.:
Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each platform. Jack Taylor: It wouldn't be allowed by H&S. David Walters: Why not? One of the things I like about The US is in most public places [there] will be a water fountain. True, but I can't think of any subway systems that have them on the platforms. Some cities prohibit eating and drinking on subway trains. There are two classes of problem. The first is that a drinking fountains aren't usually placed in environments frequented by those who would vandalize them, assault others with a spray of water, and so on. Okay, maybe "frequented" is too strong, but you know what I mean. Second is the possibility of the fountain causing an accident. If there is water then it will be spilled sometime, and someone will slip, fall the wrong way, and (choose the one you care more about) suffer a serious injury and/or file a lawsuit. Yeah, this is possible anyway where the platforms are exposed to rainwater, but water fountains would certainly increase the probability. In addition, one could imagine the case where a defective fountain produced a continuous stream of water that flowed down to track level and, despite the third and fourth rails being raised on insulators, managed to contact something live. It seems unlikely to me that this presents a serious risk, but I could be wrong, and to safety Nazis, "unlikely a serious risk" is insufficient anyway. Besides all that, someone would have to pay for it. And that includes drainpipes as well as a water supply. -- Mark Brader | The last 10% of the performance sought contributes Toronto | one-third of the cost and two-thirds of the problems. | -- Norm Augustine My text in this article is in the public domain. |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
. .. there is nothing in law to stop anyone charging for tap water in their own establishment I've been informed that the difference between a pub and an inn is that inns are legally obliged to give free water. This sounds like an urban myth to me. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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Jack Taylor wrote:
"JB" wrote in message ... Might be an even better idea if they had some free water fountains on each platform. It wouldn't be allowed by H&S. Water would have to be in sealed containers. Presumably that doesn't include the water on platforms that was once rain? |
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In message , M J Forbes
writes "Gary Jenkins" wrote in message . com... During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? For the last two summers, bottled water was being handed out at many central tube stations free of charge in the mornings, although I strongly suspect that this gesture was entirely at the expense of Volvic/Evian/Whoever, rather than being a LU or TFL-sponsored thing .... Last summer we had crates of bottled water on the station for emergency use. Unfortunately when we thought we might need it a week or so ago, it was all past its Sell-By date. -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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John wrote:
In article , M J Forbes writes "Gary Jenkins" wrote in message .com... During the hot spell last week the announcer at Westminster Tube was advising passengers to carry bottled water with them. As far as I know the tube has been operating for over 100 yeras without any seriious incidents of dehydrated passengers. Have the operators now lost confidenc in their ability to get people to their destination within a reasonable time? For the last two summers, bottled water was being handed out at many central tube stations free of charge in the mornings, although I strongly suspect that this gesture was entirely at the expense of Volvic/Evian/Whoever, rather than being a LU or TFL-sponsored thing .... Matt Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone know whether any progress has been made? John One of his manifesto points is to have air-conditioning installed on the new subsurface fleet, thus bringing it to at least four lines (assuming the ELLX will use other, mainline stock - if it ever gets built). -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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In message , John
writes Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone know whether any progress has been made? Only mention I've seen recently on the posters about carrying water in hot weather refers to "new technologies" for cooling the tube. Maybe they are looking into geothermal heat pumps... -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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John Rowland wrote:
"Jack Taylor" wrote in message . .. there is nothing in law to stop anyone charging for tap water in their own establishment I've been informed that the difference between a pub and an inn is that inns are legally obliged to give free water. This sounds like an urban myth to me. I suspect you might be right abouth the urban myth bit. An Inn is supposed to provide accommodation at any time of the day or night; historically at least. Most of us can imagine the reaction is someone knocked on a pub door at 2 in the morning demanding a bed and stablng. |
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congokid typed
I've often asked for, and got, a jug of water in London restaurants. I've not been refused yet, though I have to be quick before someone in the group pipes up for 'mineral water, please'. I have noticed the waiters seem *really* slow with requests for tap water and fairly fast with everything else. Well, there goes their tip... -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
... I have noticed the waiters seem *really* slow with requests for tap water and fairly fast with everything else. Well, there goes their tip... Good Lord, woman, complaining that the free stuff doesn't come quickly enough? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... I have noticed the waiters seem *really* slow with requests for tap water and fairly fast with everything else. Well, there goes their tip... Good Lord, woman, complaining that the free stuff doesn't come quickly enough? Yup, when I spend £** on a meal, it looks like a deliberate ploy to encourage me to buy something pricier. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Kat wrote:
Last summer we had crates of bottled water on the station for emergency use. Unfortunately when we thought we might need it a week or so ago, it was all past its Sell-By date. Eh? how can water have a sell-by date. It's water, it doesn't go off. Presumably it had a serving suggestion too |
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John wrote in message ...
Last year our mate Ken made lots of noises about requiring TfL to get on with cooling the tube, etc. It all seems to have gone quiet - anyone know whether any progress has been made? Im sure around July/August when it gets really hot the idea will spring up again. London Underground want people to carry water with them incase a train breaks down and due to their pure inefficency and passing the buck it takes them two hours to move the train to somewhere people can get off. Here is an idea and far cheaper than handing out water to people. Fit all deep level trains with water in sealed bottles for use in emergencies such as trains being stuck underground during the summer. |
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