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Michael Hoffman wrote in message news:Pine.WNT.4.58.0407190031400.1288@ZVAVZBB...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Paul Weaver wrote:

As we have one of the lowest fatality rates in the world it wouldn't
surprise me if Germany was higher. What if you compare Germany accident
rates to Italy or France though

There's some 2002 data he

http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen...glish/we2.html

Motorway is about 33% higher then the UK, yet lower then France,
Finland, Beligum, Ireland, Japan, etc. - which all have speed limits
not far removed from ours (typically 120kph or 75mph)

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Terry Harper wrote:

Somewhere I have a brochure produced in 1938-9 to promote
industrial estates in the Forest of Dean and Chepstow area, and
that shows a dual carriageway road tunnel under the Severn, running
almost on the alignment of the now A49 and the first Severn Road
Crossing.

The A49 route is Ross-on-Wye/Hereford/Shrewsbury/Warrington/Preston
(nearly). I assume you mean almost on the alignment of the original M4
Severn Bridge, now M48.
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In om,
Paul Weaver typed:
Michael Hoffman
wrote in message news:Pine.WNT.4.58.0407190031400.1288@ZVAVZBB...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Paul Weaver wrote:

As we have one of the lowest fatality rates in the world it wouldn't
surprise me if Germany was higher. What if you compare Germany
accident rates to Italy or France though

There's some 2002 data he

http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen...glish/we2.html

Motorway is about 33% higher then the UK, yet lower then France,
Finland, Beligum, Ireland, Japan, etc. - which all have speed limits
not far removed from ours (typically 120kph or 75mph)

All those countries have death rates higher than ours to start with (not
much higher in the case of Japan, and France's is plummetting towards our
levels).

I guess correlating those figures would give a better suggestion, but would
require getting the speed limit data as well. Might be interesting for
someone with the time.

A

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On 19 Jul 2004 12:41:27 -0700, (Paul Weaver) wrote
in message :

Motorway is about 33% higher then the UK, yet lower then France,
Finland, Beligum, Ireland, Japan, etc. - which all have speed limits
not far removed from ours (typically 120kph or 75mph)

Ever driven in Belgium?

Guy
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In ,
Just zis Guy, you know? typed:
On 19 Jul 2004 12:41:27 -0700, (Paul Weaver) wrote
in message :

Motorway is about 33% higher then the UK, yet lower then France,
Finland, Beligum, Ireland, Japan, etc. - which all have speed limits
not far removed from ours (typically 120kph or 75mph)

Ever driven in Belgium?

Been driven in Belgium twice. Seen very nasty crash scenes in Belgium twice.
Seen very nasty crash scenes in Britain, ... , well, I can think of one or
two. In 27 years.

A

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:14:21 +0100, "Ambrose Nankivell"
wrote in message
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Ever driven in Belgium?

Been driven in Belgium twice. Seen very nasty crash scenes in Belgium twice.

The idea that Belgian drivers are in some way constrained by speed
limits is an amusing one, though :-)

Guy
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, JNugent wrote:

And no, I am not referring temporary limit at a set of roadworks (even
though 40 is still extracting the urine a bit, even at roadworks).

If you haven't done so, can I suggest you spend some time the other
side of teh cones before announcing the appropriateness of speed
limits through roadworks?

I was in a coned-off area on an A-road once when an HGV chose to come
through teh cones. It actually clipped the side of a cone I was
standing with my heels against (and flung the cone a long way down teh
road, while I dived off perpendicularly).

Not pleasant. I was shaking so bad afterwards that I had to sit down
(rather suddenly, and not in the most controlled manner, as it
happens). HGV didn't stop, though if it had wandered much further
across it would have done, on account of being down teh hole I was
inspecting.

regards, Ian SMith
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Michael MacClancy of wrote:
As with many things, the situation with Autobahn speed limits is not as
simple as it first seems.

There are many stretches of Autobahn with speed limits.
snip
This means that even where there is not a statutory speed limit on German
Autobahns personal liability and insurance considerations apply downward
pressure on the top speeds.

Another consideration is that Autobahn speed limits are perceived to be
actively enforced. One of my German friends was caught by a camera
exceeding a limit, fined and is apparently at risk of losing her licence for
a repeat offence. Everyone else's view on her being caught was that it is a
totally routine event and caused no surprise. In contrast, although I have
UK acquaintances who have been caught speeding, I can't remember any caught
on a motorway, although I know a lot more UK motorists than German ones.
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Steph Peters wrote:
Another consideration is that Autobahn speed limits are perceived to
be actively enforced. One of my German friends was caught by a camera
exceeding a limit, fined and is apparently at risk of losing her
licence for a repeat offence. Everyone else's view on her being
caught was that it is a totally routine event and caused no surprise.
In contrast, although I have UK acquaintances who have been caught
speeding, I can't remember any caught on a motorway, although I know
a lot more UK motorists than German ones.

Me. Twice. 85 mph M1 and M50


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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

The idea that Belgian drivers are in some way constrained by speed
limits is an amusing one, though :-)

They don't have much truck with the notion of leaving clear space between
themselves and the vehicle in front either. Whenever I have cause to drive
there, I try to do so at night.

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