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In message , at
08:38:17 on Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Lance Lamboy remarked: Here is how it works. You go to the grocery store. You pick up your groceries. You take them to the checkout counter. You ask for delivery. Instead of bagging your groceries, they get boxed and they put a slip on the box with your address, phone number, etc. You go home without your groceries. The supermarket delivers your groceries. There is a small fee for the service which you pay at the checkout counter. Sounds useful (except perhaps fro frozen items). Where is "here", btw? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 14:08:20 on Sat, 14
Aug 2004, PeterE remarked: Assuming you have physically visited the store, in what way is that more convenient than taking the stuff home with you? Whatever the other disadvantages (and there are many) it means you don't have to carry the stuff home - or buy a trolley (sic) big enough to hold your entire shopping. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message .uk... In message , at 13:19:59 on Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Lance Lamboy remarked: Most grocery stores do deliveries so why would a huge family have a problem. There are several practical problems. You never get to see what's on special offer at the store that day, so always buy at "list price". You don't get a very good impression of what new products are coming on the market, so you get stuck in a rut buying the things you are familiar with. Substitutions can be a big problem, with many stores taking a sub-optimal approach to this. It means you can end up missing the one vital ingredient for a recipe. Occasionally you get things like "10kg of apples" instead of "10 apples". I can be sorted out, but is a pain. And, obviously, you have to book a slot for the delivery and make sure you are at home. If you are housebound, that's not an issue; but if you are travelling elsewhere that day (especially by bus) the times you can guarantee to be at home can be unpredictable. A friend of mine in New York City has great things to say about the Web Grocer service. I asked about delivery times. He said that he has to give a two hour window for delivery. He has delivery between 8:00 pm and 10:00 pm on a week night. He and his wife don't find it hard to be home at that time. John Mara |
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"Jack May" wrote in message
news:lNfTc.251797$%_6.197447@attbi_s01... "Brimstone" wrote in message ... Very true. The concept of "value for money" seems to have got lost. For most people. the value of time is most important not the monetary value. Transit people like to use the monetary value because they don't count the cost paid by tax payers. When you hide most of the cost and use only monetary value instead of time value , it is easier to make a favorable comparison for PT Whether transit or cars are faster for a given trip depends on many factors, in particular the level of road congestion at that time. Transit service can be faster for many trips during rush hour. You also need to consider the relative stress levels of each mode; even when it's slightly slower I often use transit because it permits me to do other things (like read or work) that I can't effectively do in the car. Also, whether time or money is more valuable to a given person varies. S -- Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything CCIE #3723 are a great annoyance to those of us who do." K5SSS --Isaac Asimov |
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In message , at 14:03:56 on
Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Stephen Sprunk remarked: Whether transit or cars are faster for a given trip depends on many factors, in particular the level of road congestion at that time. Transit service can be faster for many trips during rush hour. Very true. You also need to consider the relative stress levels of each mode; even when it's slightly slower I often use transit because it permits me to do other things (like read or work) that I can't effectively do in the car. However, working and reading often depends on being able to sit - many of my journeys on "transit" have been in such crowded conditions that the only place to sit has been on the floor. -- Roland Perry |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:37:45 +0100, Annabel Smyth wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 at 21:52:16, Greg Hennessy wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:27:35 +0100, Annabel Smyth wrote: Aren't Express/Compact/Meetro stores more expensive? Sainsbury's are, by miles. I don't go to them if I can help it. They are a veritable Lidl when compared to Waitrose. Well, that's true. But Waitrose is *always* expensive, and Sainsbury's only is in their "Local" format. But then is *spitefully* expensive. Say 20-25% more expensive than ASDA. Mind you, it's dearer than Tesco, Produce OK. ready meals poorer tha Sainsbury's which themselves are poorer than Marks's which in turn is dearer than Lidl (we have both in our street, so I go to Lidl unless I want stuff which Lidl doesn't sell, like cut flowers, in which case I go to Tesco. Lidl is nearer and its coleslaw & potato salad are much nicer!). Probably due to their German origin, there was a time for 15 years after the war, when the Germans could not afford to eat fresh meat so sausages and salads became the order of the day, as the years went by this morphed into high quality sausages and salads. AIRI There was no tradition for high quality salads in the UK. My mother did used to buy radishes and spring onions, but my wife has been known, whilst walking through the market to buy a lettuce and then say "Right, I've got me salad". Nowadays meat in Germany is just as affordable as in .UK .FR or .IT DG |
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In misc.transport.urban-transit Lance Lamboy wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:45:11 +0100, Annabel Smyth wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 at 14:02:28, Roland Perry wrote: Yes, it will be true for some people. But try taking a train from Atlanta to Orlando (rather than driving). Takes 2 days via Washington! I'm afraid those distances mean nothing to me - how long would it take if you drove? I loved Amtrak trains when I used them, so I wouldn't actually mind 2 days, but if it's a case of "going to Birmingham by way of Bethnal Green", then perhaps not! Atlanta-Washington 637 miles~1025km Washington-Orlando 850 miles~1368km Atlanta-Orlando 439 miles~ 706km Since there is no direct AMTRAK connection from Atlanta to Orlando, AMTRAK does not appear to be the optimal choice for that trip. Especially since the cops in SC, GA, and FL are usually fairly cool. I've been sopped doing 96 MPH when the double nickle was in effect... the cop said "go to court, I'll help out" and then we talked about Glocks for about half an hour. Cops have to meet their quotas, but are usually nice people if you are nice with them. I ended up with 2 points and a $50 fine for driving that fast there. :-) Public transportation just doesn't work in most non-urban locales. If I need to get to the grocery store, walking is faster than driving and taking a cab would cost a fortune -- mass transit is not an option. (OK, I lied, I can drive there faster, but I need the exercise...and I do walk very fast.) -- "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded." -- Unknown |
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In misc.transport.urban-transit Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:25:23 on Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked: My mother walked to and from the shops, about a mile each way, bringing the goods home in a shopping trolley. Why are so many people wimps these days? Probably for the same reason they have central heating and don't spend several hours a day setting and raking out coal fires, or have an inside loo rather than a bucket in an outhouse. Standards have changed. You'll also find that supermarkets dislike you removing their trolleys these days - they have deposit schemes, and clever wheels that lock up as you try to leave the premises. I figure if they charge me $1.00 to "lease" a shopping cart, I might as well keep it. The local Walmart doen't seem to care much when I roll a shopping cart to where I live across the street. They just send a cart person to pick them up every so often. Regards, Mark -- "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded." -- Unknown |
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In message , at 07:01:42 on Sun,
15 Aug 2004, Mark Gibson remarked: Since there is no direct AMTRAK connection from Atlanta to Orlando, AMTRAK does not appear to be the optimal choice for that trip. Especially since the cops in SC, GA, and FL are usually fairly cool. I've been sopped doing 96 MPH Chance would be a fine thing! The road is infested with repair work, and many sections have "sheer weight of traffic" issues making it bumper-to-bumper at 30mph. -- Roland Perry |
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In misc.transport.urban-transit Brimstone wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:24:09 on Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked: "I've got three siblings and when we were kids we usually had at least one dog. My mother walked to and from the shops, about a mile each way, bringing the goods home in a shopping trolley. Why are so many people wimps these days?" Where does it say "supermarket" in that quote? What other kinds of shopping trolley are there? Ones that you can buy and take home quite legititmately. I take it from that that you have someone else to do your shopping for you or you use the four-wheel motorised variety? I'm not British (I think) but I do recall seeing lots of people walking with what might be called shopping trolleys in London. I've even seen people using privately owned shopping carts in many places in the USA. London does not have the big box supermarkets that are like the four within walking distance of me. It is a nice place for pub crawling, though... -- "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded." -- Unknown |
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 02:58:09 +0100, Derek * wrote:
But then is *spitefully* expensive. Say 20-25% more expensive than ASDA. That's an understatement. One has opened locally replacing a Safeway, there is no way I'd do a weekly shop there. Their prices are wholly unacceptable. which in turn is dearer than Lidl (we have both in our street, so I go to Lidl unless I want stuff which Lidl doesn't sell, like cut flowers, in which case I go to Tesco. Lidl is nearer and its coleslaw & potato salad are much nicer!). Probably due to their German origin, there was a time for 15 years after the war, when the Germans could not afford to eat fresh meat so sausages and salads became the order of the day, as the years went by this morphed into high quality sausages and salads. Lidl's salads, cooked meats and cheeses are a revelation in terms of taste and quality. greg -- Es ist mein Teil - nein Mein Teil - nein Denn das ist mein Teil - nein Mein Teil - nein |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 at 10:47:37, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 18:25:23 on Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked: My mother walked to and from the shops, about a mile each way, bringing the goods home in a shopping trolley. Why are so many people wimps these days? Probably for the same reason they have central heating and don't spend several hours a day setting and raking out coal fires, or have an inside loo rather than a bucket in an outhouse. Standards have changed. You'll also find that supermarkets dislike you removing their trolleys these days - they have deposit schemes, and clever wheels that lock up as you try to leave the premises. Er - Brimstone didn't say a supermarket trolley, he said a shopping trolley. Which is different. -- Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" (trying out a new .sig to reflect the personality I use in online forums) |
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Roland Perry wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 14 Aug 2004:
In message , at 11:24:09 on Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked: "I've got three siblings and when we were kids we usually had at least one dog. My mother walked to and from the shops, about a mile each way, bringing the goods home in a shopping trolley. Why are so many people wimps these days?" Where does it say "supermarket" in that quote? What other kinds of shopping trolley are there? Well, shopping trolleys! The kind that are like a large shopping-bag on wheels. -- Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" (trying out a new .sig to reflect the personality I use in online forums) |
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Mark Gibson wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 15 Aug 2004:
I figure if they charge me $1.00 to "lease" a shopping cart, I might as well keep it. The local Walmart doen't seem to care much when I roll a shopping cart to where I live across the street. They just send a cart person to pick them up every so often. Don't you get your coin back when you return the trolley, as we do? I'd far rather have a coin-operated trolley than a wheel-lock one, as you can sometimes take them home, empty them, and then take them back (or bribe a passing child with the coin). -- Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" (trying out a new .sig to reflect the personality I use in online forums) |
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Annabel Smyth wrote:
Mark Gibson wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 15 Aug 2004: I figure if they charge me $1.00 to "lease" a shopping cart, I might as well keep it. The local Walmart doen't seem to care much when I roll a shopping cart to where I live across the street. They just send a cart person to pick them up every so often. Don't you get your coin back when you return the trolley, as we do? I'd far rather have a coin-operated trolley than a wheel-lock one, as you can sometimes take them home, empty them, and then take them back (or bribe a passing child with the coin). At Sainsburys on Cromwell Road, both schemes are in operation (coin-operated and wheel-lock). So if you try to take a trolley away with you, it locks and you can't wheel it back to get the money back! However, students are resourceful; when desperate a few of them will just lift the trolley high enough over the locking area so that it doesn't lock, et voila. I think some years ago Sainsburys used to employ students to go round the local area recovering trolleys that other students had nicked! -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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Dave Arquati wrote:
I think some years ago Sainsburys used to employ students to go round the local area recovering trolleys that other students had nicked! Sounds like an enterprisding job creation scheme, even if not totally legal.;) |
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"Brimstone" wrote in message ... Dave Arquati wrote: I think some years ago Sainsburys used to employ students to go round the local area recovering trolleys that other students had nicked! Sounds like an enterprisding job creation scheme, even if not totally legal.;) Shopping carts cost something like $70 from what I have seen in the paper. Stealing shopping carts of course means higher prices have to paid by other people. |
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"Jack May" wrote in message
news:QRMTc.315199$XM6.185579@attbi_s53... "Brimstone" wrote in message ... Dave Arquati wrote: I think some years ago Sainsburys used to employ students to go round the local area recovering trolleys that other students had nicked! Sounds like an enterprisding job creation scheme, even if not totally legal.;) Shopping carts cost something like $70 from what I have seen in the paper. Stealing shopping carts of course means higher prices have to paid by other people. And returning them saves everyone money -- Everything above is the personal opinion of the author, and nothing to do with where he works and all that lovely disclaimery stuff. Posted in his lunch hour too. |
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Jack May wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message ... Dave Arquati wrote: I think some years ago Sainsburys used to employ students to go round the local area recovering trolleys that other students had nicked! Sounds like an enterprisding job creation scheme, even if not totally legal.;) Shopping carts cost something like $70 from what I have seen in the paper. Stealing shopping carts of course means higher prices have to paid by other people. Quite so, which is why my comments were phrased in an ironic style. |
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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
... On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:44:52 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: So instead of getting the whatever that you carefully picked out in the shop, at home and useful that afternoon; you get to take a day off work, and wait in all of next Thursday, in the hope that the one they deliver from the warehouse doesn't have a big scratch on the side. Indeed. While I am very much part of the target demographic for things like supermarket delivery, I just can't guarantee to be in at any given point to receive delivery of an item, and I wouldn't want such things delivering to work. Somerfield specify their delivery down to a 2-hour slot. I normally get my shopping done at a time when I expect to be at home anyway for 2 hours on the same or following day. -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:31:31 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote (more or less): Paul Weaver wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:04:31 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote: Paul Weaver wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:20:39 -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Groceries would be tougher, since many of them need to be put in the refrigerator or freezer upon arrival; I doubt my landlord would go that far. Unfortunately there's no delivery service in my area, so I drive the 3 blocks to the store every other week. You'd have to go to the store every day or two if you were carrying food back. Some of us cope with that. It does, of course, depend on how close by your shops are, and how fit you are - but it's certainly not an insurmountable problem. The new Tesco Express/Metro and Sainsburys Local shops popping up all over the place help to meet this need very well in London. That's what I do at the moment, fortunatly my shifts and 24 hour stores allow it (except on Sundays), still annoying waste of an hour every two days though. Invovles the lovely walk along the A4 from North End road to Cromwell Street and back of course - or a walk from costsly safeway at shepherds bush with heavy bags Tesco Kensington I take it... yes, the A4 isn't particularly nice to walk along is it! One solution which I haven't tried out myself is the elderly person's shopping trolley thing which they wheel about like a suitcase. They should really make them in patterns other than tartan; they might get some custom from Imperial students! :-) John Lewis sell them in matt black, at £26 for the largest/most expensive. (I bought one a few weeks ago.) Aren't Express/Compact/Meetro stores more expensive? They certainly have less of a choice - although I'm used to supermarkets selling clothes, DVD's, TV's etc. Safeway at the bush is better in that regard, but not best. Looking forward to moving out in 40 days :D I had a choice between a Sainsburys Local practically next door and Sainsburys on Cromwell Road about 15 mins walk away. The prices were more expensive at the Local and the goods were more restricted - but having everyday items close at hand helped extend the periods between having to go to the larger store. -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:00:55 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote (more or less): In message , at 11:24:09 on Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Brimstone remarked: "I've got three siblings and when we were kids we usually had at least one dog. My mother walked to and from the shops, about a mile each way, bringing the goods home in a shopping trolley. Why are so many people wimps these days?" Where does it say "supermarket" in that quote? What other kinds of shopping trolley are there? The kind that you can buy for taking your shopping home in. e.g. at John Lewis for £26. -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:57:09 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote (more or less): Lance Lamboy wrote: Here is how it works. You go to the grocery store. You pick up your groceries. You take them to the checkout counter. You ask for delivery. Instead of bagging your groceries, they get boxed and they put a slip on the box with your address, phone number, etc. You go home without your groceries. The supermarket delivers your groceries. There is a small fee for the service which you pay at the checkout counter. Not sure that that system is prevalent in the UK, although it's possible that one or two places operate it. Somerfield do it. You choose a two hour slot for same or next day delivery, and they don't charge if you've spent £25 or more. -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:08:20 +0100, "PeterE"
wrote (more or less): Lance Lamboy wrote: Here is how it works. You go to the grocery store. You pick up your groceries. You take them to the checkout counter. You ask for delivery. Instead of bagging your groceries, they get boxed and they put a slip on the box with your address, phone number, etc. You go home without your groceries. The supermarket delivers your groceries. There is a small fee for the service which you pay at the checkout counter. Assuming you have physically visited the store, in what way is that more convenient than taking the stuff home with you? I can get 100 kilograms delivered. That's awkward and painful to carry! -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:49:09 +0100,
wrote (more or less): Roland Perry wrote: If forced to choose, I'd be crazy to choose the car. Depends on what journey you are doing. I meant only ever using PT, or only ever using a car. Like everyone who occasiuonally shifts a sofa has to buy their own van for day-to-day transport? -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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Gawnsoft typed
One solution which I haven't tried out myself is the elderly person's shopping trolley thing which they wheel about like a suitcase. They should really make them in patterns other than tartan; they might get some custom from Imperial students! :-) John Lewis sell them in matt black, at £26 for the largest/most expensive. (I bought one a few weeks ago.) I think Tchibo have them on sale at the moment, for less ;-) -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:08:20 +0100, "PeterE" wrote (more or less): Lance Lamboy wrote: Here is how it works. You go to the grocery store. You pick up your groceries. You take them to the checkout counter. You ask for delivery. Instead of bagging your groceries, they get boxed and they put a slip on the box with your address, phone number, etc. You go home without your groceries. The supermarket delivers your groceries. There is a small fee for the service which you pay at the checkout counter. Assuming you have physically visited the store, in what way is that more convenient than taking the stuff home with you? I can get 100 kilograms delivered. That's awkward and painful to carry! Can you really eat 100kg of groceries? My, these cyclists do have big appetites! ;-) -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Gawnsoft wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 16 Aug 2004:
Somerfield specify their delivery down to a 2-hour slot. So do Tesco's and, I believe, Iceland.com I normally get my shopping done at a time when I expect to be at home anyway for 2 hours on the same or following day. I tried getting our shopping delivered from Tesco, but husband said he'd rather see what we were buying, thank you very much, so he goes. But I do get it delivered if it's stuff like a lot of water (still or sparkling) or fruit juice that neither of us could carry, and we aren't going past in the car at an appropriate time. -- Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" (trying out a new .sig to reflect the personality I use in online forums) |
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"Annabel Smyth" wrote ...
I tried getting our shopping delivered from Tesco, We regularly use Sainsburys to You for most things. The only drawback as far as I'm concerned is the web site which seems rather slow and touchy. Often wait ages for a page to appear (even with 512 broadband), and often get a message "Error on Page" which prevents me going any further. May just be my PC doing something odd, but try as we might, neither Sainsburys nor I have managed to find the reason. Anyone else experienced this? |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:05:25 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote (more or less): Gawnsoft typed On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:08:20 +0100, "PeterE" wrote (more or less): Lance Lamboy wrote: Here is how it works. You go to the grocery store. You pick up your groceries. You take them to the checkout counter. You ask for delivery. Instead of bagging your groceries, they get boxed and they put a slip on the box with your address, phone number, etc. You go home without your groceries. The supermarket delivers your groceries. There is a small fee for the service which you pay at the checkout counter. Assuming you have physically visited the store, in what way is that more convenient than taking the stuff home with you? I can get 100 kilograms delivered. That's awkward and painful to carry! Can you really eat 100kg of groceries? My, these cyclists do have big appetites! ;-) Sometimes I have to spread it over two courses... -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... Paul Weaver wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:20:39 -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Groceries would be tougher, since many of them need to be put in the refrigerator or freezer upon arrival; I doubt my landlord would go that far. Unfortunately there's no delivery service in my area, so I drive the 3 blocks to the store every other week. You'd have to go to the store every day or two if you were carrying food back. Some of us cope with that. It does, of course, depend on how close by your shops are, and how fit you are - but it's certainly not an insurmountable problem. The new Tesco Express/Metro and Sainsburys Local shops popping up all over the place help to meet this need very well in London. I manage to pick up many things at a fairly basic local coop within easy walking and get more exotic fare at a convenient town centre sainsburys on my way home from the station, before catching the bus. Better shops around interchanges make the transit journey more useful, sometimes substituting for separate journeys to the supermarket later on. No different to chained car trips really. -- Mark |
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