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Hi,

I hope this is not too much off-topic, but here goes:
Someone told me that the Toyota Prius owners do not pay the Ken
Livingstone tax, due to the hybrid nature of its motor.
Could anyone tell me if this is true or not?

TIA


Gus

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In article , Agustin wrote:
I hope this is not too much off-topic, but here goes:
Someone told me that the Toyota Prius owners do not pay the Ken
Livingstone tax, due to the hybrid nature of its motor.
Could anyone tell me if this is true or not?

Yes. According to ww.tfl.gov.uk you just have to pay a £10 per year
exemption registration charge

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Agustin wrote:

Hi,

I hope this is not too much off-topic, but here goes:
Someone told me that the Toyota Prius owners do not pay the Ken
Livingstone tax, due to the hybrid nature of its motor.
Could anyone tell me if this is true or not?

TIA


Gus
Yup...and you qualify for a 1000 pound government grant too....

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Paul Williams wrote:

I hope this is not too much off-topic, but here goes:
Someone told me that the Toyota Prius owners do not pay the Ken
Livingstone tax, due to the hybrid nature of its motor.
Could anyone tell me if this is true or not?

Yup...and you qualify for a 1000 pound government grant too....

....but you then have to drive a Prius

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"Stimpy" wrote in message
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Paul Williams wrote:



Yup...and you qualify for a 1000 pound government grant too....

...but you then have to drive a Prius




The grant is now £700 and the Prius II drives very, very well. (I'm talking
as someone who is thinking of getting one and not someone who's already
stuck with it!).

The only disadvantage I can think of is there's a waiting list until January
next year to get one.

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"Agustin" wrote in message ...
I hope this is not too much off-topic, but here goes:
Someone told me that the Toyota Prius owners do not pay the Ken
Livingstone tax, due to the hybrid nature of its motor.
Could anyone tell me if this is true or not?

I believe that, as an alternatively fuelled vehicle, it's exempt from the CC.

Also, I believe that City of Westminster give concessions on parking charges
to such vehicles.


Robin

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"Robin Cox" wrote in message
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"Agustin" wrote in message
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Also, I believe that City of Westminster give concessions on parking
charges
to such vehicles.


Robin



Wow, I didn't know that. Another good reason to consider one.

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"JB" wrote in message ...
"Stimpy" wrote in message
...
Paul Williams wrote:



Yup...and you qualify for a 1000 pound government grant too....

...but you then have to drive a Prius




The grant is now £700 and the Prius II drives very, very well. (I'm talking
as someone who is thinking of getting one and not someone who's already
stuck with it!).

Very enviromentally sound, looks niceish from the outside but very plasticy
and nasty interior IMO which is a shame as it spoils would could otherwise be
a superb car.

B2003

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"Boltar" wrote in message
om...


The grant is now £700 and the Prius II drives very, very well. (I'm
talking
as someone who is thinking of getting one and not someone who's already
stuck with it!).

Very enviromentally sound, looks niceish from the outside but very
plasticy
and nasty interior IMO which is a shame as it spoils would could otherwise
be
a superb car.

B2003


I guess you pay your money and make your choices but I actually like the
driving area. All the features in the 7" touch screen and a completely
empty dash board. I think it looks cool - although I'm sure it's been done
so they can swing the steering wheel onto the other side for Europe and the
USA!

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In message , at
09:24:19 on Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Boltar remarked:
The grant is now £700 and the Prius II drives very, very well. (I'm talking
as someone who is thinking of getting one and not someone who's already
stuck with it!).

Very enviromentally sound

In the same sense that a coke-float made with Diet Coke (but normal
ice-cream) is dietetically sound?
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Roland Perry wrote in message o.uk...
In message , at
09:24:19 on Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Boltar remarked:
The grant is now £700 and the Prius II drives very, very well. (I'm talking
as someone who is thinking of getting one and not someone who's already
stuck with it!).

Very enviromentally sound

In the same sense that a coke-float made with Diet Coke (but normal
ice-cream) is dietetically sound?

No not really. Theres no wool over the eyes with it as far as I can see. It
gets a genuine 50mpg in town traffic. Whats wrong with that? Plus it uses
a petrol engine rather than some PM10 belching diesel so it doesn't have to
poison the lungs of everyone just to get a low C02 figure either.

B2003

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"JB" wrote in message
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"Robin Cox" wrote in message
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"Agustin" wrote in message
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Also, I believe that City of Westminster give concessions on parking
charges
to such vehicles.


Robin



Wow, I didn't know that. Another good reason to consider one.


http://www.westminster.gov.uk/roadsa...icvehicles.cfm

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The City of Westminster is committed to a cleaner environment and therefore
allows electric vehicles to park free of charge during controlled hours on Meter
and Pay & Display bays throughout the City.
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Robin

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Wow, I didn't know that. Another good reason to consider one.



http://www.westminster.gov.uk/roadsa...icvehicles.cfm

=====
The City of Westminster is committed to a cleaner environment and
therefore
allows electric vehicles to park free of charge during controlled hours on
Meter
and Pay & Display bays throughout the City.
=====



Thanks for that. I had a look at their web site but didn't see anything
straight away. Is a Hybrid car the same as an electric I wonder? TfL
doesn't think so (although they discount both).

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JB wrote:

Thanks for that. I had a look at their web site but didn't see
anything straight away. Is a Hybrid car the same as an electric I
wonder?

No, a Hybrid car is a petrol engined car with electric assistance.

You can easily get similar fuel consumption out of a Golf PD Diesel although
some would prefer the Prius for it's alleged environmental benefits.

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"Stimpy" wrote in message
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JB wrote:

Thanks for that. I had a look at their web site but didn't see
anything straight away. Is a Hybrid car the same as an electric I
wonder?

No, a Hybrid car is a petrol engined car with electric assistance.

You can easily get similar fuel consumption out of a Golf PD Diesel
although
some would prefer the Prius for it's alleged environmental benefits.




There are undoubtedly cars that have better CO2 or fuel figures but they are
usually a) small cramp cars b) tiny slow engines with terrible performance
or more usually c) a+b

Besides which I reckon Diesel will be the next big crack down since 4* is
gone.

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"Stimpy" wrote in message ...
JB wrote:

Thanks for that. I had a look at their web site but didn't see
anything straight away. Is a Hybrid car the same as an electric I
wonder?

No, a Hybrid car is a petrol engined car with electric assistance.

You can easily get similar fuel consumption out of a Golf PD Diesel although
some would prefer the Prius for it's alleged environmental benefits.

Even the most efficient diesel does zero mpg while idling in a stationary
traffic jam. The prius solves that issue in a nice way. Yes you could keep
starting and stopping the engine of a normal car everytime you have to move
but it won't be long before you kill the starter motor and the engine gets
clogged up with gunk from constantly restarting. With hybrid cars the engine
is only run in traffic when the battery is too low to adequately move the car.

B2003

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Boltar wrote:
"Stimpy" wrote in message
...
JB wrote:

Thanks for that. I had a look at their web site but didn't see
anything straight away. Is a Hybrid car the same as an electric I
wonder?

No, a Hybrid car is a petrol engined car with electric assistance.

You can easily get similar fuel consumption out of a Golf PD Diesel
although
some would prefer the Prius for it's alleged environmental benefits.

Even the most efficient diesel does zero mpg while idling in a
stationary
traffic jam. The prius solves that issue in a nice way. Yes you could
keep
starting and stopping the engine of a normal car everytime you have
to move
but it won't be long before you kill the starter motor and the engine
gets
clogged up with gunk from constantly restarting. With hybrid cars the
engine
is only run in traffic when the battery is too low to adequately move
the car.

For comparison, official figures are

Prius (all 1.5 models) - 65.7 mpg, 104 CO2, £17495
Polo (1.4 TDI) - 62.8 mpg, 120 CO2, £11035

There's a difference but not THAT great a difference, especially when you
factor in the purchase price

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"Stimpy" wrote in message ...
For comparison, official figures are

Prius (all 1.5 models) - 65.7 mpg, 104 CO2, £17495
Polo (1.4 TDI) - 62.8 mpg, 120 CO2, £11035

There's a difference but not THAT great a difference, especially when you
factor in the purchase price

Yes but don't forget the prius is a much bigger car than a polo. If it
were the same size as a polo you'd probably find the prius figures were even
better.

B2003

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Boltar wrote:
"Stimpy" wrote in message
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For comparison, official figures are

Prius (all 1.5 models) - 65.7 mpg, 104 CO2, £17495
Polo (1.4 TDI) - 62.8 mpg, 120 CO2, £11035

There's a difference but not THAT great a difference, especially
when you factor in the purchase price

Yes but don't forget the prius is a much bigger car than a polo. If it
were the same size as a polo you'd probably find the prius figures
were even
better.

Not THAT much bigger though. Here's the best Golf figures by comparison

Prius (all 1.5 models) - 65.7 mpg, 104 CO2, £17495
Polo (1.4 TDI) - 62.8 mpg, 120 CO2, £11035
Golf (1.9 TDI) - 53.3 mpg, 143 CO2, £15680

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"Stimpy" wrote the following in:


Boltar wrote:

Yes but don't forget the prius is a much bigger car than a polo.
If it were the same size as a polo you'd probably find the prius
figures were even
better.

Not THAT much bigger though. Here's the best Golf figures by
comparison

Prius (all 1.5 models) - 65.7 mpg, 104 CO2, £17495
Polo (1.4 TDI) - 62.8 mpg, 120 CO2, £11035
Golf (1.9 TDI) - 53.3 mpg, 143 CO2, £15680

Are those the combined figures? If so, what are the urban figures like?

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"Stimpy" wrote in message ...
Not THAT much bigger though. Here's the best Golf figures by comparison

Prius (all 1.5 models) - 65.7 mpg, 104 CO2, £17495
Polo (1.4 TDI) - 62.8 mpg, 120 CO2, £11035
Golf (1.9 TDI) - 53.3 mpg, 143 CO2, £15680

Well I'd say that a prius and golf were roughly the same size and an extra 12
mpg and 39g CO2 less seems pretty good to me.

B2003

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"Stimpy" wrote in message ...
For comparison, official figures are

Prius (all 1.5 models) - 65.7 mpg, 104 CO2, £17495
Polo (1.4 TDI) - 62.8 mpg, 120 CO2, £11035

There's a difference but not THAT great a difference, especially when you
factor in the purchase price


But figure in a few years CC exemption, and the maths begin to tip
back the other way.

And *if* Westminster gives free parking to the Prius........

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"JB" wrote in message ...


Wow, I didn't know that. Another good reason to consider one.



http://www.westminster.gov.uk/roadsa...icvehicles.cfm

=====
The City of Westminster is committed to a cleaner environment and
therefore
allows electric vehicles to park free of charge during controlled hours on
Meter
and Pay & Display bays throughout the City.
=====



Thanks for that. I had a look at their web site but didn't see anything
straight away. Is a Hybrid car the same as an electric I wonder? TfL
doesn't think so (although they discount both).

"Please note that the above concessions do not apply to hybrid vehicles."

That's that one bugger then...........

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Boltar wrote:
"Stimpy" wrote in message
...
Not THAT much bigger though. Here's the best Golf figures by
comparison

Prius (all 1.5 models) - 65.7 mpg, 104 CO2, £17495
Polo (1.4 TDI) - 62.8 mpg, 120 CO2, £11035
Golf (1.9 TDI) - 53.3 mpg, 143 CO2, £15680

Well I'd say that a prius and golf were roughly the same size and an
extra 12 mpg and 39g CO2 less seems pretty good to me.

Anone got any figures for Prius resale values?