For a typical LU Driver's shift what would be the approx amount of duty time
for the following components of the days work?
Time between signing on and taking over train.
Time driving before break.
Time allotted for break. (Is this time paid or unpaid?)
Time driving after break.
Time between leaving train and signing off.

Obviously the shift make-up will vary depending on loads of factors but just
want an idea of what would be typical.
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gordon

"Sharon & Gordon Thomson" wrote in
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For a typical LU Driver's shift what would be the approx amount of duty
time
for the following components of the days work?
Time between signing on and taking over train.
7mins to sign on, checking notice boards and such, including 2mins walking
(to train time) plus say another 2 or 3 walking time average.
So anything from 7-10mins. Doesn't include train prep. which would add
another 10-15 Or even travelling to a depot that's remote from the booking
on point. Could be shortest 7mins - longest 55mins in my duty book.

Time driving before break.
In my duty book anything from 45mins- upto 4hours 15mins

Time allotted for break. (Is this time paid or unpaid?)
at least 30mins plus traveling time to canteen upto 1hour 40mins Average
50mins of which 30mins is unpaid

Time driving after break.
Same as above

Time between leaving train and signing off.
can be 0mins usually 4mins and then extra if stabling train in depot. So 0
to 45mins


Obviously the shift make-up will vary depending on loads of factors but
just
want an idea of what would be typical.
ok
book on 1432,
travel to depot and prep train leaving 1527
meal relief 1803-1907
finish 2222
book off 2226

--
gordon


of course each line has different ways of doing things but its always at
least 7mins booking on
minium 30mins break at canteen
no more than 4hours 15 driving each half (except in emergencies) but could
be upto 5hours 15before or after break including travelling/sitting spare
0mins booking off

Colin

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writes

For a typical LU Driver's shift what would be the approx amount of duty time
for the following components of the days work?

I can only speak for the Piccadilly line but most of these are the
agreed parameters for the Underground...

Time between signing on and taking over train.

19 minutes (includes 7 mins walking time to Arnos Grove platform)

Time driving before break.

Maximum of 4 hours 15 mins.

Time allotted for break. (Is this time paid or unpaid?)

30 minutes unpaid break.

Time driving after break.

Maximum of 4 hours 15 minutes

Time between leaving train and signing off.

Generally nil (typically duties book off on the platform, although some
do have up to 7 minutes at the end).

Obviously the shift make-up will vary depending on loads of factors but just
want an idea of what would be typical.

Minimum duty length is 4 hours, maximum is 8 hours - plus your meal
break so maximum rostered time can be 8 1/2 hours.
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"Sharon & Gordon Thomson" wrote in
message ...
For a typical LU Driver's shift what would be the approx amount of
duty
time
for the following components of the days work?
Time between signing on and taking over train.
7mins to sign on, checking notice boards and such, including 2mins
walking
(to train time) plus say another 2 or 3 walking time average.
So anything from 7-10mins. Doesn't include train prep. which would add
another 10-15 Or even travelling to a depot that's remote from the
booking
on point. Could be shortest 7mins - longest 55mins in my duty book.

Time driving before break.
In my duty book anything from 45mins- upto 4hours 15mins

Time allotted for break. (Is this time paid or unpaid?)
at least 30mins plus traveling time to canteen upto 1hour 40mins Average
50mins of which 30mins is unpaid

Time driving after break.
Same as above

Time between leaving train and signing off.
can be 0mins usually 4mins and then extra if stabling train in depot.
So 0
to 45mins


Obviously the shift make-up will vary depending on loads of factors
but
just
want an idea of what would be typical.
ok
book on 1432,
travel to depot and prep train leaving 1527
meal relief 1803-1907
finish 2222
book off 2226

--
gordon


of course each line has different ways of doing things but its always at
least 7mins booking on
minium 30mins break at canteen
no more than 4hours 15 driving each half (except in emergencies) but
could
be upto 5hours 15before or after break including travelling/sitting
spare
0mins booking off

Colin




Couple of Morden examples
Book on 1540 and go to depot
Out of depot at 1609
Off train at 1947½ Pick up again at 2038
Actual (unpaid) meal relief is 2000-2030
Of train 2353 in depot
Book off 0010
Duty length = 8 hours + 30 mins unpaid meal relief = 8½ hours

Book on 2051
Pick up train and leave at 2105
Off train at 0036 in depot
Meal relief (unpaid) 0054-0124
Book off 0124
Duty length = 4hrs 3 mins + 30 mins unpaid M/R = 4 hrs 33 mins

Drivers work a 36 hour week and get paid for 35 hours (the unpaid hour is
made up by 6 days "banked rest days" which are taken at the annual leave
time).
The 36 hour week is an average spread over the roster, the actual hours
can vary from week to week. The duties are different lengths to
accommodate this. The 4h03 turn above is an exception.

"Sharon & Gordon Thomson" wrote in
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For a typical LU Driver's shift what would be the approx amount of duty
time
for the following components of the days work?

Gordon,

Check out District Dave's website: http://www.trainweb.org/districtdave/ and
TubePrune's website: http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/

There's more information there than you could ever need to know!


HTH,
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Thanks folks for providing the gen in such detail - much appreciated.
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gordon

"Colin" wrote in message
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Time allotted for break. (Is this time paid or unpaid?)
at least 30mins plus traveling time to canteen up to 1hour 40mins
Average 50mins of which 30mins is unpaid

Will the unpaid break always be at/near the sign-on/sign-off point or could
you potentially sign-on at/near one end of a line and have an unpaid break
at/near the other extremity of the line? Also will there always be a maximum
of one unpaid break per shift?
--
gordon

Sharon & Gordon Thomson wrote:
"Colin" wrote in message
...
Time allotted for break. (Is this time paid or unpaid?)
at least 30mins plus traveling time to canteen up to 1hour 40mins
Average 50mins of which 30mins is unpaid

Will the unpaid break always be at/near the sign-on/sign-off point

No.

or
could you potentially sign-on at/near one end of a line and have an
unpaid break at/near the other extremity of the line? Also will there
always be a maximum of one unpaid break per shift?

Yes.

"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message
...
Sharon & Gordon Thomson wrote:
"Colin" wrote in message
...
Time allotted for break. (Is this time paid or unpaid?)
at least 30mins plus traveling time to canteen up to 1hour 40mins
Average 50mins of which 30mins is unpaid

Will the unpaid break always be at/near the sign-on/sign-off point

No.
It can be anywhere on the line that has crew facilities - not a canteen. But
hot cold/drinks, toilets and somewhere to sit!
But that doesn't mean that after 4hrs 15 you just leave the train where it
is and go upstairs in to MacDs

or
could you potentially sign-on at/near one end of a line and have an
unpaid break at/near the other extremity of the line? Also will there
always be a maximum of one unpaid break per shift?

Yes.

But that doesn't mean that the duty would have only one break. You always
get 30mins unpaid.
Regardless of the length or amount of breaks it has. Saying that it's only a
couple of duties on my
line that have more than one break/step back in excess of 30mins as well as
the proper meal relief.

In message , Sharon & Gordon Thomson
writes

Time allotted for break. (Is this time paid or unpaid?)
at least 30mins plus traveling time to canteen up to 1hour 40mins
Average 50mins of which 30mins is unpaid

Will the unpaid break always be at/near the sign-on/sign-off point or could
you potentially sign-on at/near one end of a line and have an unpaid break
at/near the other extremity of the line? Also will there always be a maximum
of one unpaid break per shift?

In the case on the Piccadilly, it's usually where you book on (we only
have the choice of Arnos Grove or Acton Town). As an Arnos driver I
sometimes have my break at Acton. It will always be at a train crew
depot though.

And, yes, there's only one break per shift, although on a 'snip' turn
it's frequently tagged onto the end of the duty.
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