Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

They can delay me (and the rest of the queue) once, no problem. But
having delayed us, and having finally been passed, going to the front
of the queue at the next stop, particularly by breaking the law, is
downright ignorant.


So you are against ASLs for cyclists then? Having been passed they
should wait their place in the queue at the next lights.

Tony

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:22:36 +0100, Tony Raven
wrote in message :

They can delay me (and the rest of the queue) once, no problem. But
having delayed us, and having finally been passed, going to the front
of the queue at the next stop, particularly by breaking the law, is
downright ignorant.

So you are against ASLs for cyclists then? Having been passed they
should wait their place in the queue at the next lights.

Actually I usually wait my turn at lights, but it is rarely difficult
for a car to pass a cyclist.

Guy
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"Ian F." wrote in
:

"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
...

Fact is, the "cyclists don't pay" argument is a
cager troll, whoever posts it :-)

smiley noted

Still don't know what a cager is.

Someone who sits in a cage.

To me, it's a fair and just observation.

You missed off irrelevant.

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Chris

in message , Keith Willoughby
') wrote:

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:58:25 +0100, Keith Willoughby
wrote in message
:

, only to have him wobble straight past, across a red light and
into the next section ahead of the line.

This bit was the only thing he did wrong.

It was the thing he did wrong.

You made a point of noting he was doing 8 mph on a "gas-pipe Raleigh".
I think it would be a shame if we gave the impression that people who
do 8 MPH on gas-pipe Raleighs somehow didn't belong on the road just
because they delay your journey.

People who jump lights don't belong on the road whether with a gas pipe
Raleigh of an all-carbon Colnago.

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Ian F. ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

I've learned, today, the difference between Real Cyclists and People On
Bikes. I knew nothing about that before. Thanks.

It's very similar to the difference between people who know how to drive,
and those who just have a driving licence and a car.

People on bikes are "real cyclists" just different to us "bike freaks"

SW


"Adrian" wrote in message
. 1.4...
Ian F. ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were
saying :

I've learned, today, the difference between Real Cyclists and People On
Bikes. I knew nothing about that before. Thanks.

It's very similar to the difference between people who know how to drive,
and those who just have a driving licence and a car.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:00:39 +0100, "Paul Weaver"
wrote:

Riding my rather groovy OYbike (details to follow) up wood lane at 18:20
this evening, passed dozens of cars, vans, lorries, no problem, then, just
south of TVC, a double decker bus was blocking the lane. I peers arround the
right but there was no way I was going to chance riding on the outside of
the traffic facing those vehicles. Had to get off and walk past the bus on
the pavement. The bus was a 220, W reg, possibly W9#XXX. When confronted his
response was "**** you". Who can I complain to to ensure he loses his job,
or at the bery least is forced to ride a bike for 50 miles arround London.

Alternatively, who can I complain to about all the ****s on bikes who
think that red lights - particularly those at pedestrian crossing -
somehow don't count for them? Especially annoying are the ones who
think they're entitled to shout abuse at the pedestrians they have to
swerve round them because they're already half way across the road.
Funny, that, isn't it? Pedestrians having the temerity to cross a
road when the lights are in their favour, just because to
knobend-in-lycra is too impatient to obey the red and wait a few
seconds.
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:41:27 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote in
message :

who can I complain to about all the ****s on bikes who
think that red lights - particularly those at pedestrian crossing -
somehow don't count for them?

You can complain to uk.tosspot, who will greet you as a long-lost
brother. They think the fact that "yoofs" on bikes commit offences
justifies whatever behaviour they see fit to inflict on those unlucky
enough to have to share the road with them, and the disparity in
danger posed by cyclists and motorists is of no relevance.

Alternatively you could consider to what extent the relative
seriousness of your pet hate and the homicidal bus driver might be
informed by the fact the fact that the bus driver is trained to a
higher standard than most road users, is entrusted with the safety of
multiple occupants of his vehicle, is driving a large and heavy
vehicle and is notionally a professional driver paid to drive. His
company has a duty of care to those with whom their drivers share the
roads.

Guy
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:40:27 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:41:27 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote in
message :

who can I complain to about all the ****s on bikes who
think that red lights - particularly those at pedestrian crossing -
somehow don't count for them?

You can complain to uk.tosspot, who will greet you as a long-lost
brother. They think the fact that "yoofs" on bikes commit offences
justifies

I don't recall putting the sort of cyclist I was complaining about
into any particular age bracket. In fact, my own observations tell me
that the most "serious"-looking of cyclists are - if anything - worse.

whatever behaviour they see fit to inflict on those unlucky
enough to have to share the road with them, and the disparity in
danger posed by cyclists and motorists is of no relevance.

I could ask you to elaborate on the huge supposition you seem to have
made here, but you've already dug yourself into too deep a hole as it
is.

Alternatively you could consider to what extent the relative
seriousness of your pet hate

Please justify use of phrase "pet hate".

and the homicidal bus driver might be informed by the fact the fact
that the bus driver is trained to a higher standard than most road
users, is entrusted with the safety of multiple occupants of his
vehicle, is driving a large and heavy vehicle and is notionally a
professional driver paid to drive. His company has a duty of care to
those with whom their drivers share the roads.

So that excuses crap cyclists, does it?

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But clearly not much coherency....
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(Nick Cooper) wrote in
:

snip

Alternatively, who can I complain to about all the ****s on bikes who
think that red lights - particularly those at pedestrian crossing -
somehow don't count for them?

You could try the police?

Especially annoying are the ones who think they're entitled to shout
abuse at the pedestrians they have to swerve round them because they're
already half way across the road. Funny, that, isn't it? Pedestrians
having the temerity to cross a road when the lights are in their favour,
just because to knobend-in-lycra is too impatient to obey the red and
wait a few seconds.

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that uk.rec.cycling exists
to defend these idiots. It doesn't. Most cyclists on this group deplore that
kind of behaviour.

Maybe some of the denizens of uk.transport.london could comment on whether or
not they think this behaviour is defensible?

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Chris