In article ,
eurostardriver writes
Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL,
but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call
at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding.
Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be
forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding
there 3 times worse.

I quite agree: it seems quite crazy. Only a proportion of Thameslink
commuters would surely want to use one of these, if they have a sensible
onward route via the Northern (Kentish Town) or Jubilee (West Hampstead)
lines, the others will continue to St.Pancras as it serves several other
lines, thus diluting the otherwise inevitable overload at Kings Cross LT
station. Both KT and WH stations seemed to cope quite well during the
periods when they acted as termini with *all* services stopping short of
Kings Cross/St.Pancras. Kentish Town has a good connection with quite
wide passageways and staircases; West Hampstead LT station is over 100
metres from the Thameslink station, which means that any rush when a
Thameslink train arrives will thin out as people walk along and across
the main road.

Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure?

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"Jock Mackirdy" wrote in message
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Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric
at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform.

I thought the brakes would immediately apply when the power failed.

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In message , John Rowland
writes
"Jock Mackirdy" wrote in message
...

Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric
at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform.

I thought the brakes would immediately apply when the power failed.

Might cause a bit of a problem in neutral sections.
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Clive Page wrote:

In article ,
eurostardriver writes

Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL,
but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call
at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding.
Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be
forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding
there 3 times worse.

I quite agree: it seems quite crazy.

It does, but ...

Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure?

.... TfL claim they've done traffic modelling, and the loads on those
stations would be too high. I suspect they know more about the flows than
we do, and so are in a position to make this judgement.

tom

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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:46:46 +0100, Clive Page
wrote:

In article ,
eurostardriver writes
Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL,
but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call
at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding.
Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be
forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding
there 3 times worse.

I quite agree: it seems quite crazy.......

Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure?

It was an LU ploy to get a larger proportion of the fares??


--
Peter Lawrence

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
"Jock Mackirdy" wrote in message
...

Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric
at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform.

I thought the brakes would immediately apply when the power failed.

Would be a bit annoying at neutral sections, where the OLE is deliberately
dead...

Peter Lawrence wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:46:46 +0100, Clive Page
wrote:


In article ,
eurostardriver writes

Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL,
but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call
at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding.
Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be
forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding
there 3 times worse.

I quite agree: it seems quite crazy.......

Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure?

It was an LU ploy to get a larger proportion of the fares??

Hardly. Regular commuters travelling onwards from St Pancras by tube
will have a Travelcard anyway; people travelling to West Hampstead &
Kentish Town are permitted to travel in to St Pancras and return by a
northbound train during the closure.

Irregular users travelling between Thameslink and LU stations would have
to pay a higher proportion of their fare to LU by using West Hampstead
or Kentish Town as these are both in Zone 2.

I don't think LU would get a noticeably higher proportion of fares
whether West Hampstead and Kentish Town were open to southbound TL pax
or not!

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

In article ,
John Rowland wrote:
Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric
at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform.

I thought the brakes would immediately apply when the power failed.

No, they are not. I have been on a 321 which coasted from Harrow and
Wealdstone to near Primrose Hill when the power failed.

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In article ,
John Rowland wrote:
Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric
at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform.

I thought the brakes would immediately apply when the power failed.

No, they are not. I have been on a 321 which coasted from Harrow and
Wealdstone to near Primrose Hill when the power failed.


I have also experienced a power failure after departing Highbury &
Islington in the Drayton Park to Moorgate 'underground section' whilst
on a WAGN 313. The driver announced on the PA that we were in fact
coasting downhill and therefore should reach Essex Road without any
problems, apart from the fact that all the lights had gone out.

Even this was a bit overly pessimistic as I noticed that the lights over
the entry/exit sliding doors were still alight, even if the remaining
carriage lights had indeed been extinguished. (I found that quite
comforting.) As it happened, just as we arrived at Essex Rd, the power
came back on and so our journey to Moorgate continued without further
interruptions.

Bob.
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"David H Wild" wrote in message
...

I have been on a 321 which coasted from Harrow and
Wealdstone to near Primrose Hill when the power failed.

Wow. I wonder why he didn't stop at a station - surely this would have been
more useful than leaving you all sitting near Primrose Hill for an
unspecified time.

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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes