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Cheeky wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:21:43 -0400, Stephen Farrow wrote: Agreed. Although even half-decent DMUs would improve services on the Oldham loop.... Though they would not, in themselves, solve the location problems at Mumps and Werneth stations. True... they are not ideally located for the centre. However it is debatable whether a slower, more expensive service from Manchester to Oldham would be an improvement either.... Well, the frequency (10 trams per hour into Manchester from Oldham) would certainly be an improvement. There's a lot of support for Metrolink in Oldham. -- Stephen How about a movie? They're showing them in theatres now. I hear it's like watching a video with a bunch of strangers and a sticky floor. |
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(Boltar) wrote in message . com...
(Neil Williams) wrote in message ... IMO, the best solution for the Oldham Loop, for example, is not trams, but 25kV overhead line and new, high-acceleration heavy rail EMUs to form a German-style S-Bahn. The trams have their place, but it is not in taking over a perfectly good heavy rail system, increasing fares and slowing journeys. It is also not (in the case of Eccles) in operating routes that are substantially faster by bus! We seem to have a very strange attitude to city mass transport in this country. In most other western countries (and the old USSR) a city the size of manchester would have had its own proper underground system, never mind some cut price tram system. The fact that it doesn't and neither do huge connabations such as Birmingham is frankly laughable. Somehow Newcastle managed to get one when the bean counters weren't concentrating for a moment back in the 70s but other than that , the tinpot system in glasgow and of course LU, this country is a joke for heavy mass transit in cities. No doubt the usual cost excuses would be wheeled out if this was brought up with the D.O.T but if they can afford to build a new lines in Uzbekistan: http://www.urbanrail.net/as/tosh/tashkent.htm for example I'm damn sure we can too. While I broadly agree with your sentiments, it ought to be pointed out that land prices in Uzbekistan are not readily comparable to those in any British city. I would guess that the balance of state power vs private landowners' rights is probably more in favour of the state there, too (Sufficiently delicately phrased, I hope :)). -- Larry Lard Replies to group please |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:39:30 -0400, Stephen Farrow
wrote: Cheeky wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:21:43 -0400, Stephen Farrow wrote: Agreed. Although even half-decent DMUs would improve services on the Oldham loop.... Though they would not, in themselves, solve the location problems at Mumps and Werneth stations. True... they are not ideally located for the centre. However it is debatable whether a slower, more expensive service from Manchester to Oldham would be an improvement either.... Well, the frequency (10 trams per hour into Manchester from Oldham) would certainly be an improvement. There's a lot of support for Metrolink in Oldham. Even those who currently use the train with an integrated bus/rail season ticket which won't be valid on Metrolink....? Seriously - I leave near the Altrincham line and rarely use it as it's so bloody expensive (even compared to Stagecoach!) and not integrated into the other PT modes. -- ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Please reply to the group Replies to this address will bounce! ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø |
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Cheeky wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:39:30 -0400, Stephen Farrow wrote: Cheeky wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:21:43 -0400, Stephen Farrow wrote: Agreed. Although even half-decent DMUs would improve services on the Oldham loop.... Though they would not, in themselves, solve the location problems at Mumps and Werneth stations. True... they are not ideally located for the centre. However it is debatable whether a slower, more expensive service from Manchester to Oldham would be an improvement either.... Well, the frequency (10 trams per hour into Manchester from Oldham) would certainly be an improvement. There's a lot of support for Metrolink in Oldham. Even those who currently use the train with an integrated bus/rail season ticket which won't be valid on Metrolink....? There's not all that much traffic interchanging between buses and trains at Mumps, partly because pedestrian access to the railway station is so poor. Stephen |
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