"James Looker" wrote in message
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this could be only the beginning with old tube stock

The third and fourth rail have been scrapped.

or steam introduced at a later date
making the case for tourisim.

Does the lowered track beneath the M11 bridge give enough headroom for a
proper steam train?

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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
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"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message
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(Boltar) wrote in message
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(TheOneKEA) wrote in message
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Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah ,
that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens
group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But
this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this
time
for good.

They did have a 62ts at one point, what happened to that? I know it
couldnt run anymore due to no power but it was historically
interesting.

Are they now a TOC then?

Two sets of 62TS were delivered to Epping-Ongar railway at different times.
The first was vandalised and then scrapped. The replacement was also
scrapped after a couple of years. I wonder why they bothered.

I've not heard anything about a Transport & Works Order so I wonder if EOR
have legal authority yet to run a full public service, rather than the
occasional trial trips which have been done a few times over the years.

The Judean Peoples' Front - sorry! I mean the Ongar Railway Preservation
Society (a rival group), are also still intending to bid for running the
line if it is sold to Essex County Council. God luck to them all.

(Boltar) wrote in message . com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message . com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah , that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother.

Because the EORPS, past sins aside, feels that some folks really do
want to ride a so-called "dreary DMU" through the Essex countryside.
If half of their newfounnd plans come to frutition they may have
something on their hands.

If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful.

Unlikely. The HSE (or the HMRI) would have killed them through
cottonesque nanny-state policies WRT unshielded third and fourth rail.
Best case, they would have had to use side- or bottom-contact power
rails, and get new shoegear for all of their old LU stock. Worst case
- no rails. Which seems to have happened.

But this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this time
for good.

B2003

As I said previously, past sins aside I hope the EORPS really is able
to get things going again.

Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
TheOneKEA wrote:
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

Shame that on Sunday it costs £4 to get from Ongar to Epping, but £2 to
get from there to West Ruislip :-)

Well that's nothing new; under LU it once cost 2.20GBP to go to Epping
from Ongar. For another 40p one could go from Epping to West
Ruislip...

I would have liked to have been able to walk the line when it was
derelict; it's a shame that there are houses everywhere at the Epping
end which makes it hard to lawfully access the line, much less
photograph it.

In message , TheOneKEA
writes
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

I work in North Weald and personally, I'd like to see a proper LU
service return to this route. Selfish I know, but It's a bloody nuisance
trying to park at Epping when I have to go into the city, 'specially
when I could walk to North Weald station.

Given that John Prescott is going to approve a massive home building in
this area coupled with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport,
in the long term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Simon

"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
om...

Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar
Railway Preservation Society ran a train service

Thanks for telling us, but in future...

PLEASE PEOPLE, LET THE GROUP KNOW IN ADVANCE.

So, does anyone know when they will be next running trains?

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
om...

Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar
Railway Preservation Society ran a train service

Thanks for telling us, but in future...

PLEASE PEOPLE, LET THE GROUP KNOW IN ADVANCE.

So, does anyone know when they will be next running trains?

They will be running again this Sunday (17th). See
http://eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

Peter Smyth

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:18:22 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote:


Shame that on Sunday it costs £4 to get from Ongar to Epping, but £2 to
get from there to West Ruislip :-)

On Sunday your £4 got you a return to North Weald, not Epping. IIRC
the return fare Epping - West Ruislip is £3.80.

It's a shame they didn't think to look at the bus timetable before
deciding upon running every hour on the hour. The bus is every two
hours and the connection at Ongar at the end of the day way to tight
to risk.

There's a siding at Ongar with lots of Finnish locos quietly
decaying...


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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:34:33 +0100, simon
wrote:


I work in North Weald and personally, I'd like to see a proper LU
service return to this route. Selfish I know, but It's a bloody nuisance
trying to park at Epping when I have to go into the city, 'specially
when I could walk to North Weald station.

There seemed to be a very large car park at Epping station, and on a
weekday quite a few buses between Epping and Ongar via North Weald.



Given that John Prescott is going to approve a massive home building in
this area coupled with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport,
in the long term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.


Sense is no use to the railway, money is the key.

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"umpston" wrote in message ...
"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message
om...
(Boltar) wrote in message
. com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message
. com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah ,
that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens
group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But
this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this
time
for good.

They did have a 62ts at one point, what happened to that? I know it
couldnt run anymore due to no power but it was historically
interesting.

Are they now a TOC then?

Two sets of 62TS were delivered to Epping-Ongar railway at different times.
The first was vandalised and then scrapped. The replacement was also
scrapped after a couple of years. I wonder why they bothered.

Typical, thanks EORPS for that! That means only 1 unit remains
preserved i think!

I've not heard anything about a Transport & Works Order so I wonder if EOR
have legal authority yet to run a full public service, rather than the
occasional trial trips which have been done a few times over the years.

So that in theory means they cant carry fare paying passengers doesnt
it? Or are they a registered charity, preserved railway or something?

The Judean Peoples' Front - sorry! I mean the Ongar Railway Preservation
Society (a rival group), are also still intending to bid for running the
line if it is sold to Essex County Council. God luck to them all.

All this competition just for Epping to Ongar?