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Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

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TheOneKEA wrote:
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.
Having grew up in Ongar (lucky me) I know quite a lot of what
happened. When it was sold off there were tow options - Epping Ongar
Railway and a preservation society. Epping Ongar Railway won the bid
and everybody knew that they couldnt really make any money from it.
However there was loads of land included at North Weald and Ongar (Goods
Yard etc) which is now going to have houses built on it - surprise
surprise. It now looks like they are getting volunteers involved so it
doesnt cost them anything.

The preservation society shpuld of got it and Ongar would now have a
tourist attraction like the Bluebell line....

Another stuff up by Labour

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TheOneKEA wrote:
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

Shame that on Sunday it costs £4 to get from Ongar to Epping, but £2 to
get from there to West Ruislip :-)

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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James Looker wrote:

snipped


The preservation society shpuld of got it and Ongar would now have a
tourist attraction like the Bluebell line....

Another stuff up by Labour

How is this a "stuff up by Labour"?

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"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message
...
James Looker wrote:

snipped


The preservation society shpuld of got it and Ongar would now have a
tourist attraction like the Bluebell line....

Another stuff up by Labour

How is this a "stuff up by Labour"?

I was wondering this too. IIRC Epping-Ongar closed in 1994, several years
before Labour came to power.
Please explain your reasoning James.....

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(TheOneKEA) wrote in message . com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah , that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this time
for good.

B2003

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Colin wrote:

"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message
...

James Looker wrote:

snipped


The preservation society shpuld of got it and Ongar would now have a
tourist attraction like the Bluebell line....

Another stuff up by Labour


How is this a "stuff up by Labour"?


I was wondering this too. IIRC Epping-Ongar closed in 1994, several
years before Labour came to power.
Please explain your reasoning James.....

It did close in 1994 but it wasnt "sold off" untill 1997 by the Labour
Government choosing a company that was unwanted by the local population
on a business plan that everyone could see was just a premise to gain
the land to flog for housing later on, a situation that has now been
proved right.

Regarding the comment about dreary countryside, this could be only the
beginning with old tube stock or steam introduced at a later date making
the case for tourisim. Regarding a connection at Epping LU refused to
allow them to do this and insisted that any station at Epping would have
to be built 400 or so yards up the line away from Epping station which
the company at the time could not afford.

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"James Looker" wrote in message
...
Colin wrote:

"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message
...

James Looker wrote:

snipped


The preservation society shpuld of got it and Ongar would now have a
tourist attraction like the Bluebell line....

Another stuff up by Labour


How is this a "stuff up by Labour"?


I was wondering this too. IIRC Epping-Ongar closed in 1994, several years
before Labour came to power.
Please explain your reasoning James.....

It did close in 1994 but it wasnt "sold off" untill 1997 by the Labour
Government choosing a company that was unwanted by the local population on
a business plan that everyone could see was just a premise to gain the
land to flog for housing later on, a situation that has now been proved
right.

It was LU that sold it, not the government, regardless of political
persuasion..

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(Boltar) wrote in message . com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message . com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah , that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this time
for good.

They did have a 62ts at one point, what happened to that? I know it
couldnt run anymore due to no power but it was historically
interesting.

Are they now a TOC then?

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Piccadilly Pilot wrote:
"James Looker" wrote in message
...

Colin wrote:

"Piccadilly Pilot" wrote in message
...


James Looker wrote:

snipped

The preservation society shpuld of got it and Ongar would now have a
tourist attraction like the Bluebell line....

Another stuff up by Labour


How is this a "stuff up by Labour"?


I was wondering this too. IIRC Epping-Ongar closed in 1994, several years
before Labour came to power.
Please explain your reasoning James.....

It did close in 1994 but it wasnt "sold off" untill 1997 by the Labour
Government choosing a company that was unwanted by the local population on
a business plan that everyone could see was just a premise to gain the
land to flog for housing later on, a situation that has now been proved
right.


It was LU that sold it, not the government, regardless of political
persuasion..


Nope, it was the Government who decided who it went to, not LU.

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"James Looker" wrote in message
...

this could be only the beginning with old tube stock

The third and fourth rail have been scrapped.

or steam introduced at a later date
making the case for tourisim.

Does the lowered track beneath the M11 bridge give enough headroom for a
proper steam train?

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message
om...
(Boltar) wrote in message
. com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message
. com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah ,
that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens
group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But
this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this
time
for good.

They did have a 62ts at one point, what happened to that? I know it
couldnt run anymore due to no power but it was historically
interesting.

Are they now a TOC then?

Two sets of 62TS were delivered to Epping-Ongar railway at different times.
The first was vandalised and then scrapped. The replacement was also
scrapped after a couple of years. I wonder why they bothered.

I've not heard anything about a Transport & Works Order so I wonder if EOR
have legal authority yet to run a full public service, rather than the
occasional trial trips which have been done a few times over the years.

The Judean Peoples' Front - sorry! I mean the Ongar Railway Preservation
Society (a rival group), are also still intending to bid for running the
line if it is sold to Essex County Council. God luck to them all.

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(Boltar) wrote in message . com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message . com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah , that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother.

Because the EORPS, past sins aside, feels that some folks really do
want to ride a so-called "dreary DMU" through the Essex countryside.
If half of their newfounnd plans come to frutition they may have
something on their hands.

If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful.

Unlikely. The HSE (or the HMRI) would have killed them through
cottonesque nanny-state policies WRT unshielded third and fourth rail.
Best case, they would have had to use side- or bottom-contact power
rails, and get new shoegear for all of their old LU stock. Worst case
- no rails. Which seems to have happened.

But this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this time
for good.

B2003

As I said previously, past sins aside I hope the EORPS really is able
to get things going again.

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Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
TheOneKEA wrote:
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

Shame that on Sunday it costs £4 to get from Ongar to Epping, but £2 to
get from there to West Ruislip :-)

Well that's nothing new; under LU it once cost 2.20GBP to go to Epping
from Ongar. For another 40p one could go from Epping to West
Ruislip...

I would have liked to have been able to walk the line when it was
derelict; it's a shame that there are houses everywhere at the Epping
end which makes it hard to lawfully access the line, much less
photograph it.

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In message , TheOneKEA
writes
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

I work in North Weald and personally, I'd like to see a proper LU
service return to this route. Selfish I know, but It's a bloody nuisance
trying to park at Epping when I have to go into the city, 'specially
when I could walk to North Weald station.

Given that John Prescott is going to approve a massive home building in
this area coupled with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport,
in the long term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Simon

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"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
om...

Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar
Railway Preservation Society ran a train service

Thanks for telling us, but in future...

PLEASE PEOPLE, LET THE GROUP KNOW IN ADVANCE.

So, does anyone know when they will be next running trains?

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
om...

Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar
Railway Preservation Society ran a train service

Thanks for telling us, but in future...

PLEASE PEOPLE, LET THE GROUP KNOW IN ADVANCE.

So, does anyone know when they will be next running trains?

They will be running again this Sunday (17th). See
http://eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

Peter Smyth

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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:18:22 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote:


Shame that on Sunday it costs £4 to get from Ongar to Epping, but £2 to
get from there to West Ruislip :-)

On Sunday your £4 got you a return to North Weald, not Epping. IIRC
the return fare Epping - West Ruislip is £3.80.

It's a shame they didn't think to look at the bus timetable before
deciding upon running every hour on the hour. The bus is every two
hours and the connection at Ongar at the end of the day way to tight
to risk.

There's a siding at Ongar with lots of Finnish locos quietly
decaying...


PRAR
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:34:33 +0100, simon
wrote:


I work in North Weald and personally, I'd like to see a proper LU
service return to this route. Selfish I know, but It's a bloody nuisance
trying to park at Epping when I have to go into the city, 'specially
when I could walk to North Weald station.

There seemed to be a very large car park at Epping station, and on a
weekday quite a few buses between Epping and Ongar via North Weald.



Given that John Prescott is going to approve a massive home building in
this area coupled with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport,
in the long term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.


Sense is no use to the railway, money is the key.

PRAR
--
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"umpston" wrote in message ...
"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message
om...
(Boltar) wrote in message
. com...
(TheOneKEA) wrote in message
. com...
Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from Ongar to
North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years to the day
since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test service was run
on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between the
original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS that ran
the trains today.

A dreary DMU running through some flat dreary countryside. Yeah ,
that'll
have the tourist flocking in in droves. Why did they bother. If they'd
been running old LU rolling stock borrowed from Acton or the Cravens
group
with a track connection at Epping it would have been wonderful. But
this?
I'll give it a couple of years before the line is derelict again , this
time
for good.

They did have a 62ts at one point, what happened to that? I know it
couldnt run anymore due to no power but it was historically
interesting.

Are they now a TOC then?

Two sets of 62TS were delivered to Epping-Ongar railway at different times.
The first was vandalised and then scrapped. The replacement was also
scrapped after a couple of years. I wonder why they bothered.

Typical, thanks EORPS for that! That means only 1 unit remains
preserved i think!

I've not heard anything about a Transport & Works Order so I wonder if EOR
have legal authority yet to run a full public service, rather than the
occasional trial trips which have been done a few times over the years.

So that in theory means they cant carry fare paying passengers doesnt
it? Or are they a registered charity, preserved railway or something?

The Judean Peoples' Front - sorry! I mean the Ongar Railway Preservation
Society (a rival group), are also still intending to bid for running the
line if it is sold to Essex County Council. God luck to them all.

All this competition just for Epping to Ongar?

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(TheOneKEA) wrote the following in:
om

Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from
Ongar to North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years
to the day since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test
service was run on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between
the original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS
that ran the trains today.

Am I right in thinking that it is currently only Ongar to North Weald
without any stop at Epping? If so, that's pretty inconvenient and a bit
of a shame.

--
message by the incredible Robin May.
"The British don't like successful people" - said by British failures

Who is Abi Titmuss? What is she? Why is she famous?
http://robinmay.fotopic.net

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long term,
returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

tom

--
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On 12 Oct 2004 19:50:55 GMT, Robin May
wrote:

(TheOneKEA) wrote the following in:
. com

Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from
Ongar to North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years
to the day since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test
service was run on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between
the original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS
that ran the trains today.

Am I right in thinking that it is currently only Ongar to North Weald
without any stop at Epping? If so, that's pretty inconvenient and a bit
of a shame.

Correct. There's no space at Epping (even on a Sunday) to accomodate a
heritage service. Also the line is blocked by trees/undegrowth and
needs clearing between North Weald and Epping.

PRAR
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long
term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...


Some modern aircraft need very long runways.


:-)

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted
airport, in the long term, returning the
Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend
Stansted? I make it about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

I believe he meant that a bigger Stansted will need more staff, and they
will have to live somewhere and have a way of travelling from their homes to
Stansted.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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In message , PRAR
writes
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:34:33 +0100, simon
wrote:


I work in North Weald and personally, I'd like to see a proper LU
service return to this route. Selfish I know, but It's a bloody nuisance
trying to park at Epping when I have to go into the city, 'specially
when I could walk to North Weald station.

There seemed to be a very large car park at Epping station, and on a
weekday quite a few buses between Epping and Ongar via North Weald.

Large car park true... usually full-up by 8.00am.




Given that John Prescott is going to approve a massive home building in
this area coupled with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport,
in the long term, returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.


Sense is no use to the railway, money is the key.

Point taken.

Simon

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In message ,
Tom Anderson writes
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long term,
returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

tom


The proposals are for 1, 2 and 3 extra runways.

Yes, Ongar is 20km from Stansted but is effectively only 1 stop up the
M11 (via A414) and hence, the need for extra housing within reasonable
access to the airport. Apart from the M11, the Cambridge - Liverpool St
line (spur to the airport) rail link is the only transport link to
London - and it's not that reliable! Mind you, is any rail service ;-)

Airport workers living around the North Weald / Ongar area might benefit
from a direct public transport link to London.

Simon

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"Boltar" wrote in message
m...

Well its taken 10 years just to get a DMU to run.
And unlike other preserved
lines they didn't even have to relay any track!

They lowered the alignment beneath the M11 - not a small task.

--
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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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Tom Anderson wrote in message ...
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long term,
returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

tom

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...em.bc.ic.ac.uk

From: Sunil )
Subject: Epping to Ongar: expected to open by Easter 2000, six
months early
Newsgroups: uk.railway, uk.transport.london
Date: 1999/10/22

[Madcap Plan alert!]

How about *somehow* building a 'South Essex Railway' from Harlow,
south to Epping, utilise the old Ongar route and continue eastwards to
Brentwood and Shenfield, thus enabling a Cambridge/Stansted to
Southend service to be run?

[ducks for cover]

Sunil

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PRAR wrote in message . ..
On 12 Oct 2004 19:50:55 GMT, Robin May
wrote:

(TheOneKEA) wrote the following in:
. com

Today (Sun Oct 10, 2004), the Epping Ongar Railway Preservation
Society ran a train service using a single class 117 DMU from
Ongar to North Weald and back; a week previously, almost 10 years
to the day since the Central Line service was withdrawn, a test
service was run on Oct 3.

http://www.eorailway.co.uk/news.htm

I wonder if this means that the EOR actually has a future. I also
wonder about that DMU livery, and the precise relationship between
the original EOR company that bought the line and this new EORPS
that ran the trains today.

Am I right in thinking that it is currently only Ongar to North Weald
without any stop at Epping? If so, that's pretty inconvenient and a bit
of a shame.

Correct. There's no space at Epping (even on a Sunday) to accomodate a
heritage service. Also the line is blocked by trees/undegrowth and
needs clearing between North Weald and Epping.

PRAR

http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Ep...20&%20Sigs.gif

LU has also retained the siding and double crossover to the east of
Epping as part of the signalling overlap (LW12/LW22 to LW2), which
means that even if EOR could find the funds to construct a platform
(say between LW3 and LW20), not only would it need Central Line ATP
but it would also force a much slower approach to Epping.

Any EOR station at Epping would thus end up being an unreasonable
distance from the LU station.

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"Dr. Sunil" wrote in message
om...
Tom Anderson wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long
term,
returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

tom


http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...em.bc.ic.ac.uk

From: Sunil )
Subject: Epping to Ongar: expected to open by Easter 2000, six
months early
Newsgroups: uk.railway, uk.transport.london
Date: 1999/10/22

[Madcap Plan alert!]

How about *somehow* building a 'South Essex Railway' from Harlow,
south to Epping, utilise the old Ongar route and continue eastwards to
Brentwood and Shenfield, thus enabling a Cambridge/Stansted to
Southend service to be run?

[ducks for cover]

Sunil

The 2002 'London - Ipswich Multi-Modal Study' (LOIS) for the Department for
Transport identified a new Stratford-Chelmsford route as a possible future
rail development. This might take over the Stratford-Epping part of the
central line and the disused bit to Ongar. There could also be a new line
from Epping to Stanstead via Harlow.

This LOIS (like all the others) has been largely ignored by the government.
But the only reason for Essex County Council being willing to buy the line
is to preserve the route (not necessarily as a railway) for future transport
needs. Other daft schemes such as 'guided busways' have been mentioned from
time to time.

Essex still haven't bought the line but, if they do, the preservationists
will need to establish it as a major tourist attraction if they don't want
to be evicted when the council either gets bored with the idea; wants to
build a road over part of it - or needs the money and decides to sell the
land again.

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PRAR wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:18:22 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote:


Shame that on Sunday it costs £4 to get from Ongar to Epping, but £2 to
get from there to West Ruislip :-)


On Sunday your £4 got you a return to North Weald, not Epping. IIRC
the return fare Epping - West Ruislip is £3.80.

I was thinking of the Oyster Prepay discount (which is actually £1.80
single so I got it wrong anyway - I was thinking of the 2005 fares!).
The standard single is £3.80.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, John Rowland wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:

with the almost certain expansion of Stansted
airport, in the long term, returning the
Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend
Stansted? I make it about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

I believe he meant that a bigger Stansted will need more staff, and they
will have to live somewhere and have a way of travelling from their
homes to Stansted.

Ongar to Stansted via Liverpool Street doesn't seem a completely brilliant
idea. Ongar to Stansted via Stratford (using the planned Lea Valley Line
service) isn't hugely better. A direct coach is going to beat that pretty
easily.

tom

--
POTATO POWER IS UNTRACEABLE POWER

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"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message
m...

Well its taken 10 years just to get a DMU to run.
And unlike other preserved
lines they didn't even have to relay any track!

They lowered the alignment beneath the M11 - not a small task.

That never prevented them running services from North Weald to Ongar
which is all they're doing now anyway.
B2003

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, John Rowland wrote:


"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:


with the almost certain expansion of Stansted
airport, in the long term, returning the
Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend
Stansted? I make it about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

I believe he meant that a bigger Stansted will need more staff, and they
will have to live somewhere and have a way of travelling from their
homes to Stansted.


Ongar to Stansted via Liverpool Street doesn't seem a completely brilliant
idea. Ongar to Stansted via Stratford (using the planned Lea Valley Line
service) isn't hugely better. A direct coach is going to beat that pretty
easily.

tom

Have you ever tried to get anywhere from Ongar by bus?

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umpston wrote:
"Dr. Sunil" wrote in message
om...

Tom Anderson wrote in message

...

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:


with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long

term,

returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

tom

[Madcap Plan alert!]

How about *somehow* building a 'South Essex Railway' from Harlow,
south to Epping, utilise the old Ongar route and continue eastwards to
Brentwood and Shenfield, thus enabling a Cambridge/Stansted to
Southend service to be run?

[ducks for cover]

Sunil


The 2002 'London - Ipswich Multi-Modal Study' (LOIS) for the Department for
Transport identified a new Stratford-Chelmsford route as a possible future
rail development. This might take over the Stratford-Epping part of the
central line and the disused bit to Ongar. There could also be a new line
from Epping to Stanstead via Harlow.
(snip)

One plan for Crossrail 2 was to send it to Epping, taking over the
Central Line from Leytonstone to Epping via Woodford. Given the
will-power, a new alignment could be found from Epping to Harlow (either
a longer route to the west of Harlow which could serve southwest Harlow
as well as the existing stations to the north, or a more direct route
along the M11 route) with trains continuing to Stansted. Probably more
expensive than just running Crossrail 2 trains directly up the WA line
from Hackney or Stratford though!

A second branch from Epping via Ongar could continue to Chelmsford -
allowing journeys from there to Stansted with a change at Epping (or put
in a new junction near Coopersale Common and you have a direct route).

I think it would be way too expensive though.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
The 2002 'London - Ipswich Multi-Modal Study' (LOIS) for the Department for
Transport identified a new Stratford-Chelmsford route as a possible future
rail development. This might take over the Stratford-Epping part of the
central line and the disused bit to Ongar. There could also be a new line
from Epping to Stanstead via Harlow.
(snip)

One plan for Crossrail 2 was to send it to Epping, taking over the
Central Line from Leytonstone to Epping via Woodford. Given the
will-power, a new alignment could be found from Epping to Harlow (either
a longer route to the west of Harlow which could serve southwest Harlow
as well as the existing stations to the north, or a more direct route
along the M11 route) with trains continuing to Stansted. Probably more
expensive than just running Crossrail 2 trains directly up the WA line
from Hackney or Stratford though!

Has anyone thought this through? Why would a passenger from Stansted if
given the choice of a direct stansted express or a train that stops at 20
odd stations going via epping, choose the latter to get to london? Unless
they add 2 new tracks they won't be able to run an express service so it'll
just be a pottering commuter train and moreover it'll mean that people who
live on the eastern part of the central line won't be able to get a tube to
london without changing. So it would probably **** off a lot more people than
it would please.

B2003

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In article , Boltar wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
One plan for Crossrail 2 was to send it to Epping
[...]
with trains continuing to Stansted.

Has anyone thought this through? Why would a passenger from Stansted if
given the choice of a direct stansted express or a train that stops at 20
odd stations going via epping, choose the latter to get to london?

To avoid the exorbitant SEx[0] fares? I usually prefer the Picc from LHR
and Southern from LGW for similar reasons.

Niklas

[0] couldn't resist
--
"I want to live in Theory. Everything works in Theory."
-- Robert Sneddon

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Boltar wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote in message ...

The 2002 'London - Ipswich Multi-Modal Study' (LOIS) for the Department for
Transport identified a new Stratford-Chelmsford route as a possible future
rail development. This might take over the Stratford-Epping part of the
central line and the disused bit to Ongar. There could also be a new line
from Epping to Stanstead via Harlow.

(snip)

One plan for Crossrail 2 was to send it to Epping, taking over the
Central Line from Leytonstone to Epping via Woodford. Given the
will-power, a new alignment could be found from Epping to Harlow (either
a longer route to the west of Harlow which could serve southwest Harlow
as well as the existing stations to the north, or a more direct route
along the M11 route) with trains continuing to Stansted. Probably more
expensive than just running Crossrail 2 trains directly up the WA line
from Hackney or Stratford though!


Has anyone thought this through? Why would a passenger from Stansted if
given the choice of a direct stansted express or a train that stops at 20
odd stations going via epping, choose the latter to get to london? Unless
they add 2 new tracks they won't be able to run an express service so it'll
just be a pottering commuter train and moreover it'll mean that people who
live on the eastern part of the central line won't be able to get a tube to
london without changing. So it would probably **** off a lot more people than
it would please.

B2003

It's more to get communities along the M11 corridor linked up better
given the government's desire to create lots of new housing and
employment along that corridor, rather than create a new route from
Stansted to London. If people want to use CR2 all the way because it's
cheaper, then that's up to them. Also don't forget that although there
will be many stops further out, there will be fewer further in. I
believe the CR2 plan from King's Cross is to tunnel to Dalston, then
stop at NLL stations to Stratford and then up the Central line. Dalston
to Tottenham Court Road or Victoria would have a very fast journey time.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London