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A13: Why the new speed limit?
If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking
and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? -- message by the incredible Robin May. "The British don't like successful people" - said by British failures Who is Abi Titmuss? What is she? Why is she famous? http://robinmay.fotopic.net |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
In article , Robin May
writes If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? Because it increases the camera revenue?? -- John Alexander, |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
"John" wrote in message
... In article , Robin May writes If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? Because it increases the camera revenue?? Correct. The only way that upgrading roads to 70mph quality can be justified financially is if the new road has cameras busting everyone going over 40. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:47:04 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote: "John" wrote in message ... In article , Robin May writes If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? Because it increases the camera revenue?? Correct. The only way that upgrading roads to 70mph quality can be justified financially is if the new road has cameras busting everyone going over 40. Are you saying that there are gatsos all over the place now? Sounds like a cash grab and ripoff. Lots of corruption out of control. |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
"John Rowland" wrote the
following in: "John" wrote in message ... In article , Robin May writes If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? Because it increases the camera revenue?? Correct. The only way that upgrading roads to 70mph quality can be justified financially is if the new road has cameras busting everyone going over 40. Problem with this is that everyone knows where the cameras are and they slow down accordingly! There's one between Prince Regent lane and Beckton (eastbound), and another at the foot of the flyover just before the exit for the A406 and Sainsbury's (eastbound). Between Sainsbury's and Canning Town there are as far as I can tell none on the westbound carriageway, although there may be one just before Canning Town. Most people travel at 50-60 mph along this stretch and slow down for the speed cameras, i.e. they act as if it's a 50mph road. I do it too because why should I obey a speed limit which is so strangely low? -- message by the incredible Robin May. "The British don't like successful people" - said by British failures Who is Abi Titmuss? What is she? Why is she famous? http://robinmay.fotopic.net |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
On 16 Oct 2004 15:09:56 GMT, Robin May wrote:
If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? To improve conditions for local residents? The quieter road surface may be a clue. It's not so you can hear the "Today" program in your already-soundproofed car on your way to work. It's so people who LIVE near the A13 (they exist, you know) can hear themselves think. The lower speed limit also helps buses when they need to pull out into traffic, and makes cycling safer. The difference between 50mph and 40mph across the whole 14-mile stretch of the A13 improvements is the difference between a 17-minute journey and a 21 minute journey (assuming you treat the speed limit as a target and hit it perfectly). That's an extra FOUR MINUTES on your commute. What's the problem in setting your alarm clock 4 minutes earlier in the morning and just sticking to the speed limit? You'll save wear-and tear on your car by not braking for GATSOs, you'll save money by not paying speeding fines, you'll arrive less stressed at work, and you'll probably have fewer accidents. If EVERYBODY did it, there'd be less congestion caused by the GATSO-shy jackrabbits bunching up the traffic, and the journey times for everyone would be quicker. And, of course, the nearby residents would be able to hear themselves think. |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
"Marc Brett" wrote in message
... On 16 Oct 2004 15:09:56 GMT, Robin May wrote: If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? To improve conditions for local residents? The quieter road surface may be a clue. It's not so you can hear the "Today" program in your already-soundproofed car on your way to work. It's so people who LIVE near the A13 (they exist, you know) can hear themselves think. The lower speed limit also helps buses when they need to pull out into traffic, and makes cycling safer. The difference between 50mph and 40mph across the whole 14-mile stretch of the A13 improvements is the difference between a 17-minute journey and a 21 minute journey (assuming you treat the speed limit as a target and hit it perfectly). That's an extra FOUR MINUTES on your commute. What's the problem in setting your alarm clock 4 minutes earlier in the morning and just sticking to the speed limit? You'll save wear-and tear on your car by not braking for GATSOs, you'll save money by not paying speeding fines, you'll arrive less stressed at work, and you'll probably have fewer accidents. If EVERYBODY did it, there'd be less congestion caused by the GATSO-shy jackrabbits bunching up the traffic, and the journey times for everyone would be quicker. And, of course, the nearby residents would be able to hear themselves think. Most of the nearby residents directly affected by the road have probably already been paid a share of our taxes to have double glazing installed, if they don't already have it. Perhaps the limit should be 70mph as the road designed for. That would mean motorists could save nearly a quarter of an hour using your figures. Mikael |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
Mikael Armstrong wrote:
"Marc Brett" wrote in message ... On 16 Oct 2004 15:09:56 GMT, Robin May wrote: If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? To improve conditions for local residents? The quieter road surface may be a clue. It's not so you can hear the "Today" program in your already-soundproofed car on your way to work. It's so people who LIVE near the A13 (they exist, you know) can hear themselves think. The lower speed limit also helps buses when they need to pull out into traffic, and makes cycling safer. The difference between 50mph and 40mph across the whole 14-mile stretch of the A13 improvements is the difference between a 17-minute journey and a 21 minute journey (assuming you treat the speed limit as a target and hit it perfectly). That's an extra FOUR MINUTES on your commute. What's the problem in setting your alarm clock 4 minutes earlier in the morning and just sticking to the speed limit? You'll save wear-and tear on your car by not braking for GATSOs, you'll save money by not paying speeding fines, you'll arrive less stressed at work, and you'll probably have fewer accidents. If EVERYBODY did it, there'd be less congestion caused by the GATSO-shy jackrabbits bunching up the traffic, and the journey times for everyone would be quicker. And, of course, the nearby residents would be able to hear themselves think. Most of the nearby residents directly affected by the road have probably already been paid a share of our taxes to have double glazing installed, if they don't already have it. Perhaps the limit should be 70mph as the road designed for. That would mean motorists could save nearly a quarter of an hour using your figures. Do you seriously think that double glazing solves all these residents' problems? What if it's hot and they want to open the window? What if they ever want to spend time in their garden? Have you any idea how noisy a 70mph road is, especially in wet weather? -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
"Mikael Armstrong" wrote in message
... "Marc Brett" wrote in message ... On 16 Oct 2004 15:09:56 GMT, Robin May wrote: If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? To improve conditions for local residents? The quieter road surface may be a clue. It's not so you can hear the "Today" program in your already-soundproofed car on your way to work. It's so people who LIVE near the A13 (they exist, you know) can hear themselves think. The lower speed limit also helps buses when they need to pull out into traffic, and makes cycling safer. The difference between 50mph and 40mph across the whole 14-mile stretch of the A13 improvements is the difference between a 17-minute journey and a 21 minute journey (assuming you treat the speed limit as a target and hit it perfectly). That's an extra FOUR MINUTES on your commute. What's the problem in setting your alarm clock 4 minutes earlier in the morning and just sticking to the speed limit? You'll save wear-and tear on your car by not braking for GATSOs, you'll save money by not paying speeding fines, you'll arrive less stressed at work, and you'll probably have fewer accidents. If EVERYBODY did it, there'd be less congestion caused by the GATSO-shy jackrabbits bunching up the traffic, and the journey times for everyone would be quicker. And, of course, the nearby residents would be able to hear themselves think. Most of the nearby residents directly affected by the road have probably already been paid a share of our taxes to have double glazing installed, if they don't already have it. Perhaps the limit should be 70mph as the road designed for. That would mean motorists could save nearly a quarter of an hour using your figures. What on earthe makes you think it was designed for 70mph? It is effectively a new road, so I expect it was in fact designed for the new speed limit. |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... Mikael Armstrong wrote: "Marc Brett" wrote in message ... Most of the nearby residents directly affected by the road have probably already been paid a share of our taxes to have double glazing installed, if they don't already have it. Perhaps the limit should be 70mph as the road designed for. That would mean motorists could save nearly a quarter of an hour using your figures. Do you seriously think that double glazing solves all these residents' problems? What if it's hot and they want to open the window? What if they ever want to spend time in their garden? Have you any idea how noisy a 70mph road is, especially in wet weather? A large amount of money was spent installing a new improved sound barrier along the A34 where it passes to the west of Oxford. I remember the disruption when Lane 1 was out of use while the work was being carried out. However it still carries a 50 limit, even though the noise is negligible behind the barrier: I pulled off the road and drove down the residential road parallel to the barrier and immediately behind it, and with my car window open and the engine turned off, I could see HGVs going past but they were barely audible. Keeping down to 50 on a dual carriageway where it's safe to drive at 70 is very difficult, especially goinf south when the 50 limit carries on a good half a mile beyond the houses. Thankfully they'd recently installed flashing "50" signs that light up only if you are going over the limit that help to remind you. Apparently the police have said that they will not enforce the 50 limit because it is there only for the residents' benefit and not for road safety reasons. |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
Marc Brett wrote the following in:
On 16 Oct 2004 15:09:56 GMT, Robin May wrote: If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? To improve conditions for local residents? The quieter road surface may be a clue. It's not so you can hear the "Today" program in your already-soundproofed car on your way to work. I don't drive to work, I take the tube to university. I use the A13 occasionally for getting to Sainsbury's, the A406 or a friend's house in Barking. I'm not saying this from the point of view of an angry commuter but simply as someone who doesn't understand the purpose of this seemingly unnecessarily slow speed limit. It's so people who LIVE near the A13 (they exist, you know) can hear themselves think. But aren't there hardly any of them (people who LIVE near the A13)? Most of the houses between Canning Town and Prince Regent lane were either demolished during the improvements or are unoccupied. There are some houses between Beckton and Prince Regent lane, and they're behind a noise reducing fence. There's a housing estate a distance off to the side of the A13 there as well but it's very recently built so they knew what to expect when they moved in, and anyway the distance is probably enough that the noise isn't too terrible. The lower speed limit also helps buses when they need to pull out into traffic, and makes cycling safer. No one cycles on the A13 itself (they would be mad to, even with a limit of 40!) and buses don't stop on it. There is a cycle path along the side of the A13 but there was a cycle path there before when the limit was 50. -- message by the incredible Robin May. "The British don't like successful people" - said by British failures Who is Abi Titmuss? What is she? Why is she famous? http://robinmay.fotopic.net |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
"umpston" wrote the following in:
"Mikael Armstrong" wrote in message ... Most of the nearby residents directly affected by the road have probably already been paid a share of our taxes to have double glazing installed, if they don't already have it. Perhaps the limit should be 70mph as the road designed for. That would mean motorists could save nearly a quarter of an hour using your figures. What on earthe makes you think it was designed for 70mph? It is effectively a new road, so I expect it was in fact designed for the new speed limit. It seems very much to me like a road designed for at least 50mph. It's very similar to 50mph sections of the A406. In fact I would even say it's better suited to 50mph than some of those sections of the A406. I'd also say it's better suited to speeds of 50mph than it used to be when the speed limit was 50! Compare this to some 40mph roads like the A1020 going down from the junction with the A13 and A406 past the Royal Docks and I think it's clear that the A13 is suited to and designed for speeds much higher than 40mph. -- message by the incredible Robin May. "The British don't like successful people" - said by British failures Who is Abi Titmuss? What is she? Why is she famous? http://robinmay.fotopic.net |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:39:00 GMT, "Mikael Armstrong"
wrote: "Marc Brett" wrote in message .. . The difference between 50mph and 40mph across the whole 14-mile stretch of the A13 improvements is the difference between a 17-minute journey and a 21 minute journey (assuming you treat the speed limit as a target and hit it perfectly). That's an extra FOUR MINUTES on your commute. Perhaps the limit should be 70mph as the road designed for. That would mean motorists could save nearly a quarter of an hour using your figures. Not sure about your maths, there. At 70mph, you'd cover the 14 miles in 12 minutes. That's a 5 minute saving compared to 50mph, and a 9 minute saving compared to 40mph. Where are you getting "nearly a quarter of an hour" from? If you feel that strongly, reply to TfL's survey about the A13. I'm sure they'd like to hear your views, and it has a better chance of getting acted upon than sounding off on Usenet. A13 Thames Gateway Road Improvements Questionnaire http://www.tfl.gov.uk/streets/a13-questionnaire.shtml |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
Marc Brett wrote in message . ..
journey (assuming you treat the speed limit as a target and hit it perfectly). That's an extra FOUR MINUTES on your commute. What's the problem in setting your alarm clock 4 minutes earlier in the morning and just sticking to the speed limit? You'll save wear-and tear on your car by not braking for GATSOs, You could use that old argument to slow cars down to any speed you choose. People seem to forget however that the whole purpose of cars is to get you from A to B as quick as possible. If that wasn't the case you might as well just turn the clock back 200 years and walk. IMO speed limits should be as high as is safe on the given stretch of road. If this means 150mph on a straight section of motorway or 20mph outside a school so be it. Also if you are late for other reasons 4 minutes could be the difference between having an easy day or getting a formal warning from your boss. B2003 |
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A13: Why the new speed limit?
Robin May wrote in message ...
If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? Doesn't stop you getting from Ilford to Tower Hill in ~20 mins! Speed limits: Wennington - Dagenham - 70 (temporarily reduced for communications installation) Dagenham - Barking - 50 (despite Renwick Road lights westbound and Gale Street access eastbound) Barking - Canning Town - 40 (several side roads still access the main-line) Canning Town Flyover - 30 westbound (approach to A13 TOTSO and tunnel) East India Dock Link - 30 (tunnel) Aspen Way - 40 (one set of lights) Limehouse Link - 30 (tunnel) A13 pics: http://groups.msn.com/TheSABRERoadsW...astlondon.msnw |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
"Mikael Armstrong" wrote in message ...
"Marc Brett" wrote in message ... On 16 Oct 2004 15:09:56 GMT, Robin May wrote: If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? To improve conditions for local residents? The quieter road surface may be a clue. It's not so you can hear the "Today" program in your already-soundproofed car on your way to work. It's so people who LIVE near the A13 (they exist, you know) can hear themselves think. The lower speed limit also helps buses when they need to pull out into traffic, and makes cycling safer. The difference between 50mph and 40mph across the whole 14-mile stretch of the A13 improvements is the difference between a 17-minute journey and a 21 minute journey (assuming you treat the speed limit as a target and hit it perfectly). That's an extra FOUR MINUTES on your commute. What's the problem in setting your alarm clock 4 minutes earlier in the morning and just sticking to the speed limit? You'll save wear-and tear on your car by not braking for GATSOs, you'll save money by not paying speeding fines, you'll arrive less stressed at work, and you'll probably have fewer accidents. If EVERYBODY did it, there'd be less congestion caused by the GATSO-shy jackrabbits bunching up the traffic, and the journey times for everyone would be quicker. And, of course, the nearby residents would be able to hear themselves think. Most of the nearby residents directly affected by the road have probably already been paid a share of our taxes to have double glazing installed, if they don't already have it. Perhaps the limit should be 70mph as the road designed for. And the side roads? Would you turn right angles into a 70mph road? That would mean motorists could save nearly a quarter of an hour using your figures. Mikael |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
Robin May wrote in message ...
Marc Brett wrote the following in: On 16 Oct 2004 15:09:56 GMT, Robin May wrote: If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? To improve conditions for local residents? The quieter road surface may be a clue. It's not so you can hear the "Today" program in your already-soundproofed car on your way to work. I don't drive to work, I take the tube to university. I use the A13 occasionally for getting to Sainsbury's, the A406 or a friend's house in Barking. I'm not saying this from the point of view of an angry commuter but simply as someone who doesn't understand the purpose of this seemingly unnecessarily slow speed limit. It's so people who LIVE near the A13 (they exist, you know) can hear themselves think. But aren't there hardly any of them (people who LIVE near the A13)? There are a number of houses DIRECTLY facing the eastbound near New Barn Street. Most of the houses between Canning Town and Prince Regent lane were either demolished during the improvements or are unoccupied. There are some houses between Beckton and Prince Regent lane, and they're behind a noise reducing fence. There's a housing estate a distance off to the side of the A13 there as well but it's very recently built so they knew what to expect when they moved in, and anyway the distance is probably enough that the noise isn't too terrible. The lower speed limit also helps buses when they need to pull out into traffic, and makes cycling safer. No one cycles on the A13 itself (they would be mad to, even with a limit of 40!) and buses don't stop on it. There is a cycle path along the side of the A13 but there was a cycle path there before when the limit was 50. |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
I had the misfortune of travelling on this stretch not realising it was 50
and 40 in places. I have to say the one near the A406 is a bit suttle. "Robin May" wrote in message ... "John Rowland" wrote the following in: "John" wrote in message ... In article , Robin May writes If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? Because it increases the camera revenue?? Correct. The only way that upgrading roads to 70mph quality can be justified financially is if the new road has cameras busting everyone going over 40. Problem with this is that everyone knows where the cameras are and they slow down accordingly! There's one between Prince Regent lane and Beckton (eastbound), and another at the foot of the flyover just before the exit for the A406 and Sainsbury's (eastbound). Between Sainsbury's and Canning Town there are as far as I can tell none on the westbound carriageway, although there may be one just before Canning Town. Most people travel at 50-60 mph along this stretch and slow down for the speed cameras, i.e. they act as if it's a 50mph road. I do it too because why should I obey a speed limit which is so strangely low? -- message by the incredible Robin May. "The British don't like successful people" - said by British failures Who is Abi Titmuss? What is she? Why is she famous? http://robinmay.fotopic.net |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
"Dr. Sunil" wrote in message om... Robin May wrote in message ... If I remember correctly, the A13 from between Canning Town and Barking and beyond used to have a speed limit of 50mph. Why is it that after extensive improvements to the road this has gone down to 40? Doesn't stop you getting from Ilford to Tower Hill in ~20 mins! Speed limits: Wennington - Dagenham - 70 (temporarily reduced for communications installation) Dagenham - Barking - 50 (despite Renwick Road lights westbound and Gale Street access eastbound) Barking - Canning Town - 40 (several side roads still access the main-line) Canning Town Flyover - 30 westbound (approach to A13 TOTSO and tunnel) East India Dock Link - 30 (tunnel) Aspen Way - 40 (one set of lights) Limehouse Link - 30 (tunnel) A13 pics: http://groups.msn.com/TheSABRERoadsW...astlondon.msnw For some reason though the city is still signed via East India Dock Road/Commercial Road and not Aspen Way/Limehouse Link. |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
Dave Arquati wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 17 Oct 2004:
Do you seriously think that double glazing solves all these residents' problems? What if it's hot and they want to open the window? What if they ever want to spend time in their garden? Have you any idea how noisy a 70mph road is, especially in wet weather? How is that different for urban residents from country residents? If you live in the country, near a main road, you just have to put up with the noise..... -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 26 September 2004 |
A13: Why the new speed limit?
Annabel Smyth wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 17 Oct 2004: Do you seriously think that double glazing solves all these residents' problems? What if it's hot and they want to open the window? What if they ever want to spend time in their garden? Have you any idea how noisy a 70mph road is, especially in wet weather? How is that different for urban residents from country residents? If you live in the country, near a main road, you just have to put up with the noise..... I didn't say there was any difference. I lived in the country about 100m from a motorway for 18 years; we had double glazing from compensation payments, so I was pointing out that double glazing only "solves" the problem if you keep every door and window shut and don't go outside. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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