In message , Richard J.
writes

TfL journey planner maps

You have to devise a route that uses the tube line in question.

Ah, thanks. It is interesting to see the route of the Piccadilly at
South Ken if you enter something like Onslow Square to Knightsbridge.

Interesting! My Bartholemew's of 1956 (3" to the mile) shows a left
bend after South Ken, then a straight north-easterly run (not following
the road pattern) to a second left-hander to align with Brompton Road,
then a right-hander following the curve of Brompton Road by the Oratory.
If yours shows the correct left-right-left-right sequence, which roads
does it run under?

No, sorry, it doesn't. This has come up before, as I recall.

I think the second bend (following Brompton Road) is correct but the
section before that is wrong. I have had a look at numerous early
20th-century maps, and most follow Bartholomew. Some of the Bacon maps
show a tightly curved exit from the station, so that the line runs
beneath and across Thurloe Square - but I think that is also wrong,
since the position shown would produce tightly curved platforms.

I suspect the most likely route is that shown by the about Journey
Planner map, except that the Piccadilly lies directly beneath the
District line rather than a little to the south of it.

The reason is not only that the shape of the reverse curves seems right,
but also the fact that the triangular site above the first curve (i.e.
south of South Terrace) was a riding school at the end of the 19th
century. That would doubtless have made it much easier and cheaper to
obtain a wayleave for this one section of line that was not directly
beneath a road or railway, rather than having to pay owners for
tunnelling beneath multiple private properties. (The riding school is
marked as "works" on later maps, after the Piccadilly was built).

--
Paul Terry

You'd probably find that TfL's museum at Covent Garden has something in
their library of maps but you'd need some form of authorisation to look I
think.

J.G
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In message , Tom
Anderson writes

Perhaps if someone comes along and offers me a sabbatical (do grad
students get sabbaticals?), i'll take a year off to collate and digitise
every scrap of information available, then put together a definitive map.
Or persuade some geography student that it would make a good dissertation
project!

When the tube system is shown on a geometric map it is almost always done
in a way to assist users of the map to find routes. To do this it is
inevitable that a lot of fine detail has to be compromised in order to
maintain clarity.

--
Paul Terry

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Tom Anderson writes

We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry Salter
said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to excavate as
much of north London as was necessary to find out.
This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that
according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a little
way
south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to build a station with
interchange, though.
On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate information
about the routes of underground railways? Are there some sort of official
maps somewhere?

There is the map at the end of ...
http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf
... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing point
south of Green Lanes.
Paul Terry

Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document
marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses
definition.
Cheerz,
Baz

Marratxi wrote:
"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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In message
, Tom
Anderson writes

We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry
Salter said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to
excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out.
This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that
according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a
little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to
build a station with interchange, though.
On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate
information about the routes of underground railways? Are there
some sort of official maps somewhere?

There is the map at the end of ...
http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf
... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing
point south of Green Lanes.
Paul Terry

Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document
marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it
loses definition.
Cheerz,
Baz

Some, mostly Adobe I suspect, photo/paint programmes allow conversion of a
pdf file to an image file.

Brimstone wrote:
Marratxi wrote:

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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In message
, Tom
Anderson writes


We had a very brief argument about this a month or so ago; Barry
Salter said they did, i said they didn't, and Clive threatened to
excavate as much of north London as was necessary to find out.
This is not an authoritative answer, but i did finally notice that
according to Quail, they do cross, and the crossing is indeed a
little way south of Harringay Green Lanes; probably too far to
build a station with interchange, though.
On a more general note, how can one go about getting accurate
information about the routes of underground railways? Are there
some sort of official maps somewhere?

There is the map at the end of ...
http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf
... it is not wonderfully detailed, but it does show that crossing
point south of Green Lanes.
Paul Terry

Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document
marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it
loses definition.
Cheerz,
Baz


Some, mostly Adobe I suspect, photo/paint programmes allow conversion of a
pdf file to an image file.

I just tried Acrobat's "Extract Images" option on the file to try it
out, and all it extracted was the two blue images at the front and back
of the document - it didn't extract that map at all. You can see when
you zoom on it that's some kind of layered drawing - it's not an "image"
(in the JPG sense of the word) as far as I can tell.

What you can do though is extract just that one page and then save the
whole thing as a 1MB JPG, but I've just tried, and it loses most of the
quality when you zoom in. I suppose extracting it as an EPS might be
better, but it all depends what the OP wants to do with it.

In message , at 10:49:24 on Sat, 30
Oct 2004, Marratxi
remarked:
Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document
marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses
definition.

Needs to be kept as a .pdf, of course, otherwise much of the detail will
inevitably be lost.

There's a nag-ware utility called pdfedit995 which will do this.

http://www.software995.com/
--
Roland Perry

"Marratxi" wrote in message
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Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF document
marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file but it loses
definition.

Click on the snapshot tool, and then click on the graphic. It is then on the
clipboard. Press F4 when you have the graphic on screen for instructions.

Open a graphics programme and paste it in. If you do this with the complete
page, you will get poor definition. If you increase the size to 200% or
more, you will get a higher definition, but will have to copy in sections
and form a mosaic.
--
Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society
75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm
E-mail:
URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/

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"Marratxi" wrote in
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Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF
document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file
but it loses definition.

Click on the snapshot tool, and then click on the graphic. It is then
on the clipboard. Press F4 when you have the graphic on screen for
instructions.

Open a graphics programme and paste it in. If you do this with the
complete page, you will get poor definition. If you increase the size
to 200% or more, you will get a higher definition, but will have to
copy in sections and form a mosaic.

With the version of Adobe I use you can zoom after you select the area.
So, select the area you want, zoom it, then copy. Even if part of the
window is not visible you will get it all.

John

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In article , Terry Harper
wrote:
"Marratxi" wrote in
message ...

Anybody know how to extract the map from the end of the PDF
document marketone.pdf ? I have tried copying it from the main file
but it loses definition.

Click on the snapshot tool, and then click on the graphic. It is then
on the clipboard. Press F4 when you have the graphic on screen for
instructions.

Open a graphics programme and paste it in. If you do this with the
complete page, you will get poor definition. If you increase the size
to 200% or more, you will get a higher definition, but will have to
copy in sections and form a mosaic.

With the version of Adobe I use you can zoom after you select the area.
So, select the area you want, zoom it, then copy. Even if part of the
window is not visible you will get it all.

John

I tried all those tricks before asking for help. It doesn't make a large
copy at all and if you try to enlarge it the definition is lousy. What I
really need is the map alone as a PDF file at 200% but without all the other
38 pages. The source file is almost 1Mb (marketone.pdf) at
http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf
so if anybody can extract that page is pdf format or tell me how to do it I
shall be most grateful.
Thanks guys,
Baz

"Marratxi" wrote in message
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What I really need is the map alone as a PDF file
at 200% but without all the other 38 pages.
The source file is almost 1Mb (marketone.pdf) at
http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl.../marketone.pdf
so if anybody can extract that page is pdf format
or tell me how to do it I shall be most grateful.

I still don't understand why you don't just use marketone.pdf as is. What do
you want to do with it that you can't do with the full file? The map alone
probably takes up about two-thirds of the bytes of the PDF.

I have the UITP version of the map from a few years ago, but that contains
several versions of the same map and is an even larger file than
marketone.pdf.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes